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116. Malik seems to define multiculturalism in 2 incompatible ways

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:37 PM

Dec 2015

"multiculturalism—the embrace of an inclusive, diverse society"
"Multiculturalists argue that societal diversity erodes the possibility of common values"

So, is the diversity of multiculturalism inclusive or divisive? He's argued for both in the same article.

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Identity Politics. I am not interested in them. [View all] Aerows Dec 2015 OP

. snagglepuss Dec 2015 #1

Yuppers, right here. I'll stand that line with anyone. Shandris Dec 2015 #2

Why yes, yes it does! haikugal Dec 2015 #3

I agree. But there's a paradox here. Smarmie Doofus Dec 2015 #4

I would argue, it's not a paradox ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #6

Bingo loyalsister Dec 2015 #14

Sadly, some ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #22

I am an advocacte for embracing identity politics loyalsister Dec 2015 #29

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #45

I'm having better luck than you might expect loyalsister Dec 2015 #64

In my experience ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #78

Makes sense loyalsister Dec 2015 #112

Mark my words ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #114

Thats an interesting perspective I hadn't considered. Bubzer Dec 2015 #65

The major social justice movements we have seen have been based on identity politics loyalsister Dec 2015 #71

Maybe it's the word "politics" I can't get passed. Maybe if it was Social Identity Justice perhaps Bubzer Dec 2015 #72

It's funny, because to me the GOP tries to erase identity loyalsister Dec 2015 #73

That is an excellent comment. Aerows Dec 2015 #88

Before I respond, let me ask ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #5

I'm glad you type faster--and more directly--than I do nt tishaLA Dec 2015 #9

If you click on her profile LittleBlue Dec 2015 #37

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #50

I think the point the OP is making is that he/she refuses to check your boxes Monk06 Dec 2015 #75

Some don't have the choice to "check the boxes" ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #80

How nice for her. Lots of people would like to skip checking boxes CreekDog Dec 2015 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #83

Alls I know is that i want a president i can drink a beer with el_bryanto Dec 2015 #7

LOL Aerows Dec 2015 #89

Everyone is a multiplicity, but not liking "identity politics" is in essence tishaLA Dec 2015 #8

Sadly, I have never seen the term ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #13

I usually see it from the RW students on campus who tishaLA Dec 2015 #18

Exactly ... Which is way ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #26

What galls me is that some of those warriors nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #10

It has nothing to do with "like" or not ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #15

And you are in the list of people I intend to have nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #20

And, yet you respond to me ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #27

What the hell kind of reply is this? MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #74

Her minority status pecwae Dec 2015 #95

Yep. romanic Dec 2015 #24

I suspect you catch more crap online message board than IRL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #34

Well at least you did not have nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #43

They question everything. Identity, spelling, darkangel218 Dec 2015 #39

Yup nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #46

Who are "they"? OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #69

'They' vs 'We' is classic identity politics. You practice it even as you criticize it Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #84

You challenge me Aerows Dec 2015 #90

In the long run Identity Politics and Multiculturalism are not good for the country. earthside Dec 2015 #11

I will have to look into the author's background; but, I will bet ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #16

Yes, Indian-born Englishmen are the EPITOME of dominate. Shandris Dec 2015 #21

I looked. He's actually pretty interesting, but I would also say tishaLA Dec 2015 #23

"tolerance" loyalsister Dec 2015 #19

Malik seems to define multiculturalism in 2 incompatible ways muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #116

It's always amusing to see replies like "but so-and-so supports that too, so how can you? " LittleBlue Dec 2015 #12

How is that, at all, related to the OP? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #17

I don't think labels should limit how we think LittleBlue Dec 2015 #32

Oh ... okay. You have a broader definition of the term ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #40

Wait, what? Shandris Dec 2015 #107

If I understand your question ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #108

Ahh, I see. And here I thought you said he had a different definition for the term. Shandris Dec 2015 #109

Post a link to an instance. This honest person would appreciate it. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #110

No thanks. Shandris Dec 2015 #111

I didn't think so. I can post link after link ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #113

Well then, ain't we both content. Shandris Dec 2015 #115

Well our friend has never reaad a good journal of poli sci nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #117

As DUers are quick to say ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #118

I am interested when someone treats someone else based on one thing like gender, skin color, uppityperson Dec 2015 #25

Some of the people who scream the loudest nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #30

I have had it out with some of those sorts, it reminds me of the crab in a bucket thing uppityperson Dec 2015 #33

Yup nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #38

Nadin, for what it is worth Aerows Dec 2015 #91

Thanks back at atcha nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #103

You are a thoughtful poster. Aerows Dec 2015 #104

Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2015 #28

From moving in several different groups nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #36

I thought your name was taken from tribal leader Chief Paul Waterman? Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #86

Are you just doing this to create drama? Posting here and then complaining about responses on DI? seaglass Dec 2015 #31

The OP posted because she wanted to. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #41

Who are you? n/t seaglass Dec 2015 #42

Who are you? n/t darkangel218 Dec 2015 #44

Are you pulling rank melman Dec 2015 #63

Um it looks like you did it first Aerows Dec 2015 #97

The important part is you found a way to feel superior to everyone else. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #35

Nope, she just stood up for herself. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #47

You might want to edit that to nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #49

Good point. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #52

Indeed, I did. Too few know how to do that anymore Aerows Dec 2015 #87

That would surprise me a great deal. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #93

It encourages people to assert as political truth, that which isn't. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #48

If that theory actually exists, it's a fringe theory tishaLA Dec 2015 #53

I could buy that argument if last years call to arms wasn't "the war on women" n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #54

well, you argued that the debate around abortion was about "eliminating" straight white male voices tishaLA Dec 2015 #56

"war on women" rhetoric is a call to defend them against "not women", right? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #62

no, because in the rhetoric of the "war on women," some women participate in the wrong side tishaLA Dec 2015 #66

LOL, nope. It is against any and all who want to limit women's reproductive freedom. bettyellen Dec 2015 #77

Well you are on to something there. zeemike Dec 2015 #67

If you didn't care you wouldn't be posting this thread. joshcryer Dec 2015 #51

I'm a registered Democrat because thats how I registered back in 1962 tularetom Dec 2015 #55

Well there goes targeted marketing Kalidurga Dec 2015 #57

Cheer up. Discussionist appears to be moments away ... 11 Bravo Dec 2015 #58

Nicely stated, 11 Bravo. (nt) Paladin Dec 2015 #59

*Snort* Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #68

"identitarianism" is a bit controversial as an analysis, but it becomes very interesting online MisterP Dec 2015 #60

I do not see the harm in what you describe as "Identity politics" pennylane100 Dec 2015 #61

On a personal level, this works Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #70

What do you check on the census form regarding race? guillaumeb Dec 2015 #76

You should be Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #79

I think that we (and POC) would not have the vote today, or be able to won land if not for.... bettyellen Dec 2015 #81

You don't really seem to understand the term at all. You do in fact practice identity politics Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #85

Excellent point. Hit the nail on the head. kwassa Dec 2015 #92

I called it as I saw it. Aerows Dec 2015 #99

and who exactly is confining you? kwassa Dec 2015 #101

I'll start by stating nobody here. Aerows Dec 2015 #102

and ..... why would I want to? kwassa Dec 2015 #122

I have no idea. n/t Aerows Dec 2015 #123

+1. (nt) Paladin Dec 2015 #94

+10 Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #106

^^^^^ Thread should end right here ^^^^^ JoePhilly Dec 2015 #121

Call it whatever you want, JEB Dec 2015 #96

So am I. Aerows Dec 2015 #98

Often times those who favor the status quo JEB Dec 2015 #100

You can't wake up, this is not a dream Aerows Dec 2015 #105

That sentiment is particularly common among homogeneuous groups BainsBane Dec 2015 #119

Bernie Sanders said something similar a couple years ago on MSNBC ecstatic Dec 2015 #120