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Hortensis

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75. Ahem, nothing. Silly. There are people who believe America

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:27 PM

Dec 2015

has a right and a duty to take over sovereign nations and force them to behave as we would like them to. They are conservatives, like Bush and Cheney, who believe in a concept of American Exceptionalism that calls for just that. And, of course, in the process, we can just take the oil as long as we wave the flag high and proud while doing so.

Are you SURE you want us to invade and occupy the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in a certainly disastrous attempt to force our culture on them? Because that is what it would take.

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Saudi Arabia to behead teenager for attending protest [View all] LittleBlue Dec 2015 OP

Tell me again why we put up with their crap? KamaAina Dec 2015 #1

oh, yes. They're a sovereign nation. Hortensis Dec 2015 #61

Ahem... KamaAina Dec 2015 #73

Ahem, nothing. Silly. There are people who believe America Hortensis Dec 2015 #75

No, I just want us to throw them under the bus KamaAina Dec 2015 #78

You may be happy then that the House of Saud is Hortensis Dec 2015 #81

Thank you for adding perspective. MH1 Dec 2015 #86

Exactly. All those nations had centralized governments, Hortensis Dec 2015 #91

Even deeper than the oil... Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #84

Tell us again, oh vaunted MSM... orwell Dec 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Dec 2015 #5

SOMEone had to pay . . . . HughBeaumont Dec 2015 #7

This is completely unacceptable from a U.S. ally! What is Sec. Kerry and President Obama going to.. ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #3

I really hope they intervene LittleBlue Dec 2015 #6

They're not a US ally Recursion Dec 2015 #31

We "the USA" won't do shit...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #85

Our noble allies in the war on terror. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2015 #4

No, the US has specifically never characterized them as our "allies" Recursion Dec 2015 #33

They've been our allies since we joined together to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Rex Dec 2015 #63

While everyone seems to be only leftynyc Dec 2015 #8

Hillary Clinton supports the death penalty. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #29

So do well over half leftynyc Dec 2015 #36

That may be why they are not among our allies Recursion Dec 2015 #32

I've never seen this list leftynyc Dec 2015 #37

Section 2350a of Title 10 of the US code establishes it Recursion Dec 2015 #39

Wow - what a strange list leftynyc Dec 2015 #40

Oh, its history is a fascinating bit of ad-hockery Recursion Dec 2015 #41

Thank you for posting that link leftynyc Dec 2015 #42

No problem! There are rumors of India being added Recursion Dec 2015 #45

There are way too many countries on that list... Chan790 Dec 2015 #47

True, but Saudi Arabia is not among them Recursion Dec 2015 #56

Noted...and I was just making the observation. Chan790 Dec 2015 #79

+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #58

Before we throw stones, let's abolish the death penalty in the US. nt killbotfactory Dec 2015 #9

so much for nuance saturnsring Dec 2015 #10

Of course, I forgot, we only execute guilty people. nt killbotfactory Dec 2015 #13

how many were executed for attending protests saturnsring Dec 2015 #15

I'm not defending Saudi Arabia, I just want to stop all state-sanctioned murder. nt killbotfactory Dec 2015 #17

You mean... Chan790 Dec 2015 #49

well he wasnt arrested and executed for attending a protest and it happened 100 years ago saturnsring Dec 2015 #71

No, but you do only execute people convicted of serious crimes after due process. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #20

Which is still unacceptable, but hey, someone on DU implies it is acceptable, so closeupready Dec 2015 #22

I wouldn't go as far as "acceptable", but I would go as far as "not nearly as bad". Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #34

Big difference LittleBlue Dec 2015 #11

Fully agree DFW Dec 2015 #12

Nope. I'll throw stones now. Iggo Dec 2015 #16

That's cool. Please support the abolition of the death penalty in the US. nt killbotfactory Dec 2015 #18

Always have. Always will. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2015 #19

As long as we still have 50 year old men raping 4 year old girls, I'll stick with it snooper2 Dec 2015 #59

I'm sure the Saudi power structure hates this teen just as much as we hate pedophile rapists killbotfactory Dec 2015 #72

I am very much agasint the death penalty and want the US to abolish it kcr Dec 2015 #21

...+1 840high Dec 2015 #27

Here we only execute the mentally il, those too poor to mount a defense, and NightWatcher Dec 2015 #23

I support ending the death penalty here. NOW I'll say a hearty FUCK YOU to Saudi Arabia for cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #28

I think I'm quite capable of leftynyc Dec 2015 #38

It's not minimizing, it's pointing out the death penalty is barbaric. killbotfactory Dec 2015 #66

I agree NightWatcher sorefeet Dec 2015 #74

We only give the death penalty to people convicted of murder one. WDIM Dec 2015 #77

No feelgood "Arab Spring" for this teenager. CJCRANE Dec 2015 #14

Our religion is Islam and our constitution is based on the Holy Qu’ran oberliner Dec 2015 #24

The corrupt Saudi regime is an enemy of mankind tabasco Dec 2015 #25

Anyone who supports the death penalty SheilaT Dec 2015 #26

Saudi Arabia: The Daesh that made it. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #30

Saudi Arabia isn't that where the 9/11 terrorists came from? B Calm Dec 2015 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Dec 2015 #53

15 of the 19, yes Recursion Dec 2015 #57

So it's terrorism when it's ISIS and business as usual when it's the Saudis. Vinca Dec 2015 #43

We still call these murderers our allies? kentuck Dec 2015 #44

No, we specifically don't; see upthread Recursion Dec 2015 #46

But we sure sell them edhopper Dec 2015 #48

and buy the oil that keeps the House of Saud in power. Chan790 Dec 2015 #50

We sell guns to a whole lot of people Recursion Dec 2015 #52

Where is the free world leaders on this issue. Why don't they reject Saudi Arabia and its execution rladdi Dec 2015 #51

The front runners of both our political parties support the death penalty davidn3600 Dec 2015 #54

No, other differences include the number and quality of death penalty offenses and due process Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #55

Yet somehow we will still find a way to buy our oil from them. Rex Dec 2015 #60

Not really. We produce more oil than Saudi Arabia does Recursion Dec 2015 #62

They are our close allies in the region, been that way since we both Rex Dec 2015 #64

We do describe our relationship as "special", but it is pointedly not that of "allies" Recursion Dec 2015 #65

Over and over past and present POTUSes have called them allies of America for decades. Rex Dec 2015 #67

Name me a single time a President has called Saudi Arabia an "ally" Recursion Dec 2015 #68

I am sorry that you are wrong. We always refer to SA as our ally in the region. Rex Dec 2015 #70

Now re-read those and note the absence of the word "ally" Recursion Dec 2015 #80

The word "partner" is frequently used oberliner Dec 2015 #82

True: we frequently describe them as "partners" (nt) Recursion Dec 2015 #87

What about this one? dumbcat Dec 2015 #83

Good catch, thanks Recursion Dec 2015 #88

I dunno the date dumbcat Dec 2015 #89

That's from August 2015 oberliner Dec 2015 #90

Nonsense. Rex Dec 2015 #93

I found a lot but only had time to put out a few, so the other poster can continue Rex Dec 2015 #92

I'm trashing this thread because it makes me so angry I would get banned Coventina Dec 2015 #69

$audis=Isil=Daesh WDIM Dec 2015 #76

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #94