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H2O Man

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33. That's certainly possible!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:43 PM
Dec 2015

My grandfather came to the US as a boy, in the 1870s. He loved baseball; one of his brothers, who he was very close to, was a boxer. Uncle Pat was born in New Jersey in the 1890s, and not only fought a long, tough career, but was a sparring partner for heavyweight champions, a trainer, manager, and promoter. His pro career ended in the 1940s. (He also worked on the railroads. He would find a tough, street-fighting kid in upstate NY, teach him to box, and promote all of the kid's early fights. That kid was Carmen Basilio, who went on to win the welterweight and middleweight titles. Carmen remained a family friend; he worked my brother's corner in his pro debut. I was honored to be able to introduce him to my children!)

The list of boxers the brothers knew and associated is vast -- a real "who's who" from that era. As you note, it was a brutal lifestyle. Much worse than today.And, for every one fighter who was successful, there were literally hundreds who absorbed terrible punishment for the money needed to support their families.

There was a good movie a while back, "Cinderella Man." It's based upon the career of James Braddock (also nicknamed, "The Bulldog of Bergen&quot . It shows the terrible conditions that even talented fighters competed under, when he turned pro in the late 1920s. A funny thing: for his first defense of the heavyweight title, he lived part-time at my great uncle's home. Uncle Pat helped train him. (Unfortunately for Braddock, though Uncle Pat had been a perfect sparring partner for those preparing to face the great Jack Dempsey, he wasn't able to be of much help to anyone preparing to fight a prime Joe Louis!)

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Thanks for this! H2O Man Dec 2015 #1
thanks for the rec. CTyankee Dec 2015 #2
I meant the H2O Man Dec 2015 #11
And it's awful. He abandoned his approach and I don't get why. His initial CTyankee Dec 2015 #14
Interesting question .... H2O Man Dec 2015 #19
I welcome her ideas! It is VERY interesting to me! CTyankee Dec 2015 #21
Wow! H2O Man Dec 2015 #34
looking forward to hearing more. edhopper Dec 2015 #36
kicking for the friday evening group, just getting home from work... CTyankee Dec 2015 #3
My father was a boxer in the 20s and 30s Generic Other Dec 2015 #4
wow. he had an interesting life! CTyankee Dec 2015 #5
Jersey Joe Walcott H2O Man Dec 2015 #18
They were hardworking stiffs in those days Generic Other Dec 2015 #32
That's certainly possible! H2O Man Dec 2015 #33
Great essay edhopper Dec 2015 #6
I love that interpretation. If you think about it, what you said is so true... CTyankee Dec 2015 #9
Yes edhopper Dec 2015 #10
you mean Henri's influence? CTyankee Dec 2015 #23
Yes edhopper Dec 2015 #24
this is not as brutal as Paddy Flanagan is, would you agree? CTyankee Dec 2015 #26
Don't look at the subject edhopper Dec 2015 #27
Yes, I get what you mean. What the artist chooses to concentrate on i.e. orthodonture CTyankee Dec 2015 #28
So true edhopper Dec 2015 #31
yes, and that is why we have the quiet El tracks and Jo in the sun... CTyankee Dec 2015 #12
you always have to wonder when great artist die too young edhopper Dec 2015 #13
but isn't this practically the story of great art masterpieces? CTyankee Dec 2015 #20
Not really edhopper Dec 2015 #22
Yes, you are right. So many had the acceptance and encouragement they deserved... CTyankee Dec 2015 #25
K & R femmocrat Dec 2015 #7
Nice break from the usual stuff here Armstead Dec 2015 #8
You must tell me more on George Inness... CTyankee Dec 2015 #16
Great boxing paintings panader0 Dec 2015 #15
You know, portraiture is so great because of what you see revealed about the person. CTyankee Dec 2015 #17
Right! H2O Man Dec 2015 #29
that is exactly what the artist Bellows is telling us...and why the social realists of his day CTyankee Dec 2015 #30
Thank you CTyankee. lovemydog Dec 2015 #35
thank you for being part of the discussion! CTyankee Dec 2015 #37
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