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318. I'm a mom...

Tue Dec 27, 2011, 12:30 AM

Dec 2011

...and I have a lot of mom friends. I live in a suburb (population 60,000) and most of the people who live
here are families with children. People flock here because of the nice schools. I volunteer in the schools,
know a lot of people and my kids have grown up playing with and hanging out with lots of kids in the
community and in the neighborhood.

I must know hundreds of kids and I have to say---I have NEVER met ONE child who fits your horrible description. Also,
I've never experienced the lethal combination you describe--child from hell and enabling parent from hell.

While I do agree that any child acting the way you describe--would be irritating and pathetic, I'm a bit mystified
because I've never experienced anything like that. Sure, people are not perfect and neither is any child. However,
what you describe sounds like something from a cartoon.

I guess I'm chiming in here, because I don't want childless people or single people who don't have kids
and aren't married--to think that a large numbers of children act this way. Or that most parents would
be so oblivious and enable such bratty behavior.

Most kids and parents, in my experience, are just decent families who care about each other and enjoy
spending time together.

That's my 2 cents anyway.

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Adults that spoil kids aggravate me [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 OP

Also, they need to stay off my grass. Robb Dec 2011 #1

LOL! I'm with you there. These parents think our property belongs to their KIDS! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #2

Children should be seen, but not heard. Robb Dec 2011 #8

To add: sometimes they behave Robb Dec 2011 #33

People are coming into your house without your permission? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #462

I taught for 27 years and I wish I could relate to you all the parental bitching roguevalley Dec 2011 #259

You made a very good point. Parents of brats are often narcissistic, Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #267

hmph chervilant Dec 2011 #337

W is an excellent example of a BRAT that grew up without anyone stopping his stupid behavior nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #426

Heh Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #360

Could you tell us how you really feel about spoiled children? MineralMan Dec 2011 #3

LOL! I guess it showed? :) nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #4

This time of year is especially prone MineralMan Dec 2011 #12

:) I don't mind kids, but oh my gosh, there's nothing worse than a brat! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #15

I'd rather be around a bratty kid than a drunk adult. pnwmom Dec 2011 #181

As someone who has worked at nightclubs and a sunday school class... I'll second that. n/t musicblind Jan 2012 #655

I'm a mom... CoffeeCat Dec 2011 #318

I've been one for over 20 years and I agree -- the only child I've ever seen pnwmom Dec 2011 #327

I have to say I agree with you tavalon Dec 2011 #369

I haven't seen it often, but I've seen it onpatrol98 Dec 2011 #377

Not to mention the highly popular 'spoiled brat epidemic' meme circulating amongst the hard right. AverageJoe90 Dec 2011 #437

IMO the number of rotten kids with rotten parents are greatly exaggerated. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #541

Then you have been most fortunate. JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #591

You correctly identified the parents as the problem. DevonRex Dec 2011 #180

This is true. And kids only learn what they see, hear, are taught from their surroundings, and what Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #202

No, they are not blank slates. HuckleB Dec 2011 #455

LOL Mr Dixon Dec 2011 #365

Do you have kids? trumad Dec 2011 #5

You caught me there. Nope. I chose at 20-ish to NOT have kids. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #18

I ask because sometimes having kids changes perceptions about how kids act. trumad Dec 2011 #21

True. Anyone can have kids. That's one incredibly scary thing! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #24

Well, not everyone. Ilsa Dec 2011 #252

If you don't have kids, then you really don't have liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #48

So, I have a child and I agree with her Confusious Dec 2011 #67

Did you read her whole post? She mixes up misbehavior and perfectly normal behavior pnwmom Dec 2011 #105

I can think of a couple of cirumstances that would not be normal Confusious Dec 2011 #130

Of course there are circumstances where children don't belong. pnwmom Dec 2011 #308

Your post makes no sense Confusious Dec 2011 #546

I'm not sure what my point is. but -- emcguffie Dec 2011 #648

That was one part I did not understand. When I was young Maraya1969 Dec 2011 #150

It never bothered me when my friends' children thought our conversation was interesting enough pnwmom Dec 2011 #306

Exactly Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #361

"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations " is ok with you? Since you uppityperson Dec 2011 #108

Sometimes conversations should only be between adults Confusious Dec 2011 #132

I doubt "on everything" but agree, we do learn from our parent's mistakes uppityperson Dec 2011 #134

I was being hyperbolic Confusious Dec 2011 #136

I agree. There are adults that just don't understand why everyone is avoiding them, and it's Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #204

I think the kid who bothers to answer the phone -- rather than sending the adults pnwmom Dec 2011 #336

No adult should be forced to participate in the upbringing of other kids. HuckleB Dec 2011 #459

Okay, but on Christmas? CreekDog Dec 2011 #240

To little information to determine Confusious Dec 2011 #254

We do know it was Christmas, and what loving parent would leave their child pnwmom Dec 2011 #338

I would have stayed home as a kid Confusious Dec 2011 #545

ah if it wasn't dinner that would change things? CreekDog Dec 2011 #353

And? Confusious Dec 2011 #544

Clearly THIS family with THIS child didn't do that. pnwmom Dec 2011 #562

My father probably would have stayed home Confusious Dec 2011 #575

I'm not. I'm invested in defending parents who do normal things pnwmom Dec 2011 #579

The OP implied that children are spoiled who EVER do that. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #316

I agree completely. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #200

I think her OP was pretty clear about the difference between parents in general and rude ones ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2011 #68

"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations" is about a rude child? uppityperson Dec 2011 #90

I assumed "adult conversations" would be something about someone having a drinking problem.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2011 #158

I assumed "adult conversations" were conversations between adults. In which case I'd let my uppityperson Dec 2011 #160

There's nothing wrong as long as those conversations don't take a dark turn ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2011 #164

Exactly. And if a child insists on remaining with the adults, the adults are held to a child Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #401

The rule at our house was "Keep quiet unless you know something about the subject." eridani Dec 2011 #198

The problem is that many think they know something when they don't know a thing. kwassa Dec 2011 #234

Agreed, (and that would eliminate some on this thread from speaking of children.) 11 Bravo Dec 2011 #470

I'm guessing the kid didn't want to hear her interpretation of the Kama Sutra either CreekDog Dec 2011 #241

Really? Even if the conversation was for adults, like your friend's sex life issues? onion belt Dec 2011 #436

Not gonna argue with a poster who's posting privl has been revoked. Esp not one uppityperson Dec 2011 #469

I don't think you read her checklist carefully. Not all her points are reasonable. pnwmom Dec 2011 #184

Then the feeling is mutual. I don't want to be around a person who thinks children pnwmom Dec 2011 #339

well the fact that the people without kids have to deal with your kids ThomThom Dec 2011 #75

Childless people are more oft than not MattBaggins Dec 2011 #125

Idiot parents. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #129

they've ruined dinners for me and your logic has a big hole in it uppityperson Dec 2011 #153

Not true. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #156

"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations" is noisily, badly behaved uppityperson Dec 2011 #157

You didn't read my post. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #163

I'd forgotten all about how some parents allowed their kids to ruin an eating-out experience for Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #207

Yes, but no one is posting repeated OPs about rude adults. HuckleB Dec 2011 #549

Not all children misbehave at restaurants, and not all adults do, either. pnwmom Dec 2011 #330

idiot parents irisblue Dec 2011 #149

Haughty childless people, of course. liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #173

I'm your worst nightmare Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #179

If you consider children a "hobby" then it's best that you don't liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #183

Bravo! Well Said, LibHist. (n/t) Paladin Dec 2011 #247

thank you, very good. uppityperson Dec 2011 #256

Nice to know you have no respect for those who care for your child Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #424

Bravo! onpatrol98 Dec 2011 #568

Well said! Spazito Dec 2011 #602

Thanks! Maybe parents of ill-behaved kids are the most angry at those of us who refused to have Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #209

Private hobby? Raising the next generation to be functioning adults is everyone's business eridani Dec 2011 #210

I was a nanny also. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #232

right, you don't believe in subsidies --you will refuse Medicare, correct? CreekDog Dec 2011 #243

Who do you think will be paying for your Social Security? Our children. pnwmom Dec 2011 #310

Subsidizing an expensive hobby? SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #612

Tax deductions. Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #635

Not at all. I understand childhood is not adulthood, but to inflict bad child behavior on other Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #208

Well said. I would also add that they ("idiot parents") don't usually post mindless Fool Count Dec 2011 #375

wow, that's not consistent with my experience at all fishwax Dec 2011 #255

rude is rude ThomThom Dec 2011 #391

Idiot parents with their bratty mini mes. nt valerief Dec 2011 #654

She's also complaining about kids in their own homes. pnwmom Dec 2011 #185

Is anyone (seriously) asking you to keep your children locked up? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #83

You could choose to pintobean Dec 2011 #89

So if someone's brat is screaming his head off in a restaurant, *I* should leave? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #106

If you can not deal with the realities of society MattBaggins Dec 2011 #128

Since it's more likely that you'll find loud, obnoxious adults interrupting your quiet dinner ... HuckleB Dec 2011 #516

Wow. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #122

I think you missed the point. pintobean Dec 2011 #148

The realities of society distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #159

I was being facetious. pintobean Dec 2011 #165

Nothing personal about it. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #167

Ah, I see. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #169

Well put! Thanks. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #211

And the world doesn't revolve around single people who dislike children. pnwmom Dec 2011 #341

I agree for the most part but I do not expect parents Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #170

I have two children......... Amaril Dec 2011 #216

Strange if/then scenario Sheepshank Dec 2011 #249

Thank You For Your Decision To Not Have Children. It Was Obviously The Correct One. (n/t) Paladin Dec 2011 #135

LOL, liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #174

The 'ol "do you have any kids" shoot down doesn't fly brewens Dec 2011 #301

Thank God. helderheid Dec 2011 #381

Not relevant Eliminator Dec 2011 #54

Very relevant. trumad Dec 2011 #58

You're right. The behavior of other parents' children pnwmom Dec 2011 #103

Actually these kids are not spoiled boston bean Dec 2011 #6

True. Maybe these kids drive these parents so insane that's why they're pawning them off on Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #11

Not to get all pipi_k Dec 2011 #99

You're right. I think parents of bratty kids who spoil them, are doing a 'fuck you' to the world. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #212

I'm not quite sure how you REALLY feel about these children. Jazzgirl Dec 2011 #7

LOL! I was a bit 'emotive' about this :) nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #9

Although I generally like kids Ineeda Dec 2011 #10

Aaah, I see you've met the spawn of Satan too. Hmm... spawn gets around! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #13

Very simple jberryhill Dec 2011 #17

And excuse yourself if you're someplace where the parents are bragging. DesertRat Dec 2011 #42

I did, and Mom looked at me with a blank expression Ineeda Dec 2011 #28

Peanut-butter gets out PB? Who knew? tridim Dec 2011 #23

Sorry. Mis-typing. No, PB gets out chewing gum. I think it's the oil or something. Ineeda Dec 2011 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2011 #35

You need to stop socializing with parents jberryhill Dec 2011 #14

So my choice is to refuse to invite Brat's parents? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #16

That is correct jberryhill Dec 2011 #20

Yes, that is your choice. You knew liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #50

Not that simple Eliminator Dec 2011 #60

Sorry, but when it comes to friends and holidays, liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #63

"To many people without kids, ALL kids are brats." Or most of those on the hard right. AverageJoe90 Dec 2011 #438

If she is being forced against her will, call the police! jberryhill Dec 2011 #140

As a parent, I wish I could independently recommend this post. Fawke Em Dec 2011 #72

Bigotry toward children is the only kind of bigotry acceptable here. pnwmom Dec 2011 #95

It's the only one actively encouraged on DU MattBaggins Dec 2011 #133

Indeed. HuckleB Dec 2011 #526

I think you worded it well. A lot of this thread comes off as bigotry towards children. musicblind Jan 2012 #656

well said FirstLight Dec 2011 #142

I think you might enjoy this story, liberalhistorian. pnwmom Dec 2011 #322

Oh, my, LOL! liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #414

It was a perfectly nice summer day, so I didn't mind being outside pnwmom Dec 2011 #456

My house was on a corner across the xxqqqzme Dec 2011 #119

I'm a grandpa. That's my job. lpbk2713 Dec 2011 #19

I get it perfectly when grandpas spoil their grandkids. You're right, spoiling is a grandpa's job Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #22

Were you "spoiled"? Did you/your mom engage in any of those behaviours? uppityperson Dec 2011 #88

Sounds a wee bit spoiled to me... onpatrol98 Dec 2011 #570

I don't usually see a lot of kids like you're describing, but I did last Thursday tammywammy Dec 2011 #25

Yes, I don't get why these parents insist that kids be in inappropriate settings... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #26

On Christmas Day, a child's "appropriate place" is with her parents. If you want the parents, pnwmom Dec 2011 #315

Some people think a funeral is a family event? jberryhill Dec 2011 #66

For a 2 or 3 year old? tammywammy Dec 2011 #69

Yes jberryhill Dec 2011 #76

I won't get into the family relationship details tammywammy Dec 2011 #80

You need to find those knives from the "Omen" jberryhill Dec 2011 #82

It would have been a sign of respect to the deceased and rest of the polly7 Dec 2011 #121

Exactly. It would be incredibly disrespectful to have a child running, playing, screaming while the Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #213

Inconsolable Weeping is not an appropriate adult behavior at funerals either jberryhill Dec 2011 #235

Well, most often being inconsolable at a funeral of someone you're mourning deeply isn't a choice, polly7 Dec 2011 #295

I'd rather a child playing than an adult inconsolably weeping at my funeral thank you very much. uppityperson Dec 2011 #257

Unless mom is a 'casket diver' jberryhill Dec 2011 #282

I don't think I've told you uppityperson Dec 2011 #288

Some people don't have the money for a babysitter. Fawke Em Dec 2011 #73

The child's father takes care of her during the day while the mother works tammywammy Dec 2011 #74

Ultimately, this is what it's all about. theaocp Dec 2011 #386

heehee alphafemale Dec 2011 #27

now lets make a list what we hate about adults.... betcha as long. seabeyond Dec 2011 #30

I agree -- except that this was a family Christmas event, so I think all children should be welcomed pnwmom Dec 2011 #100

the thing. a person who does not have kids may be the ones to blow something very small into a HUGE seabeyond Dec 2011 #143

We used to have a child-hater in our family. Fortunately, she's gone now. pnwmom Dec 2011 #309

+1 laundry_queen Dec 2011 #152

my oldest taught me it is true, the feel of an insult. by 3 or 4 he would look to me when an adult seabeyond Dec 2011 #155

While inflammatory, this topic is actually quite interesting tavalon Dec 2011 #373

Your parents with monetary problems are providing what the kids need to succeed in life tpsbmam Dec 2011 #411

Not to sound arrogant, tavalon Dec 2011 #554

Nothing arrogant about doing a good job, recognizing it and acknowledging it. tpsbmam Dec 2011 #596

But totally spot one tavalon Dec 2011 #605

Bravo jberryhill Dec 2011 #236

+a million, seabeyond Number23 Dec 2011 #244

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Dec 2011 #250

+1 onpatrol98 Dec 2011 #571

Some children are very likeable. Quantess Dec 2011 #31

Exactly. Some kids are awesome. Some are something out of a nightmare, because their parents Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #214

Hark all those about! Bask in the light of my brilliant child. alphafemale Dec 2011 #32

So true! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #215

Isn't that the worst? had the same experience myself. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #224

Whatever happened to children being seen and not heard? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #34

Yeah, let's just keep them all locked away in their liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #52

Please tell me you aren't being sarcastic...I'm *so* in on this! Abin Sur Dec 2011 #55

It's a shame quiet, well behaved respectful adults are so rare. pnwmom Dec 2011 #98

While many adults are poorly behaved (in a restaurant, for instance) Abin Sur Dec 2011 #104

I agree, the brat talking loudly on the cell phone has a *far* worse impact on dining experience uppityperson Dec 2011 #107

Cute. Are you actually arguing that an adult speaking loudly on cell phone is Abin Sur Dec 2011 #110

Yes, it certainly can be. Are you arguing that an adult screaming on a cell phone is uppityperson Dec 2011 #114

I never said the adult in question was screaming, did I? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #118

It's certainly much more common. Telly Savalas Dec 2011 #620

I've honestly never had a "dining experience" ruined by a child. pnwmom Dec 2011 #109

I've never had a bad experience in a restaurant with a drunk adult, Abin Sur Dec 2011 #113

A couple? In how many years of restaurant going? pnwmom Dec 2011 #117

I was thinking of the worst examples. I've certainly encountered more than 2 Abin Sur Dec 2011 #120

Perhaps because they were allowed to be Union Scribe Dec 2011 #358

Or maybe it's just the opposite. As soon as they're out from under their parents' iron thumbs pnwmom Dec 2011 #364

Could be. Union Scribe Dec 2011 #376

Yes! Being a good parent is a difficult balancing act -- pnwmom Dec 2011 #476

The 1960's and liberal ideas about childrearing? jberryhill Dec 2011 #78

You. helderheid Dec 2011 #385

The sarcasm in this post was brilliant. musicblind Jan 2012 #657

Consider your hope rewarded jberryhill Jan 2012 #658

That is part of many authoritarian cultures, but not of the America pnwmom Dec 2011 #97

I don't think well-behaved children are particularly rare fishwax Dec 2011 #260

the thing about it is, it could be a wonderful child having a bad moment and there is NO grace at seabeyond Dec 2011 #299

good point fishwax Dec 2011 #303

Admittedly I don't know the kid in question, but I think you're confusing two issues: LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #36

I agree. Children are enjoyable human beings who need to interact with other human beings. pnwmom Dec 2011 #93

I feel the same way about dogs...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #37

The more people I meet, the more I like my dog. Abin Sur Dec 2011 #43

"Kids. Yech." This is a form of bigotry that seems to be acceptable here. pnwmom Dec 2011 #111

If this were said here about any other group of people other than children or retread Dec 2011 #127

That's for sure. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #314

Yeah...your right....prostitution SHOULD be legal tjwash Dec 2011 #38

That is a funny post:) polly7 Dec 2011 #39

Obviously written by a person who doesn't have kids. stopbush Dec 2011 #40

not to mention overstimulation on a day like christmas for many reasons and the age of the child. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #41

"Likeable traits for kids". Isn't that a contradiction in terms? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #44

I have two, now grown, and though they were far from perfect, Ineeda Dec 2011 #45

There may be no broad blush complaints, but there are misguided and intolerant complaints. pnwmom Dec 2011 #189

Utterly irrelevant Eliminator Dec 2011 #57

You didn't read the OP carefully. pnwmom Dec 2011 #319

That's a matter of perspective Eliminator Dec 2011 #396

What's wrong with the child answering the phone every time? pnwmom Dec 2011 #468

Yes there are. I have two visiting my home right now. My nieces kids. She is a great parent. Puglover Dec 2011 #584

Amen. And this particular poster has had a bee liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #61

touche Broderick Dec 2011 #144

You win this thread. stevedeshazer Dec 2011 #186

Actually, the OP was quite clear that the rant was about permissive parents, NOT about the children distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #64

One's 'permissive' parent... Skelly Dec 2011 #342

Exactly Irishonly Dec 2011 #518

Yeah she was. I don't think the problem here is with parenting as Puglover Dec 2011 #585

I have two grown children and five grand kids. I do NOT accept madmom Dec 2011 #77

just a reminder: "single" and "childless" are not synonyms eShirl Dec 2011 #79

There is a cure... liberalmuse Dec 2011 #46

As an example of the "cure worse than the disease", that's not bad! Abin Sur Dec 2011 #49

I'll bet Susan Smith's parents advised the same thing Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #434

My parents always let me hang out with the adults abelenkpe Dec 2011 #47

I honestly don't care how parents raise their kids, as long as their children aren't disruptive. Abin Sur Dec 2011 #51

And I'm sure everyone loved having you around...all of the time. kiva Dec 2011 #56

What he said about the OP is no worse than the MattBaggins Dec 2011 #139

Searched and found that you were the only one kiva Dec 2011 #188

Because it's OK for the OP to post an emotional tirade but not for anyone to respond with one? abelenkpe Dec 2011 #448

No, because what she wrote is a tirade about bad parents... kiva Dec 2011 #461

Lol jberryhill Dec 2011 #70

I grew up in a college town and my parents, like others, did a lot of entertaining. pnwmom Dec 2011 #324

"Narcissitic, sociopathic adults" AKA Republicans (nt) Eliminator Dec 2011 #53

HAHA I was thinking that those kids=future Republican voters! alp227 Dec 2011 #277

Was there any reason you couldn't be rude to this rude, inconsiderate parent? Moonwalk Dec 2011 #59

I know. I ought to have said something about the little brat. After reading the posts in here... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #218

Next time a kid does that to you spit in the kid's face and make kid cry for hours. alp227 Dec 2011 #278

Nope. I simply won't invite my friend (who WANTS to be invited!) Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #279

Also, say something to the child. theaocp Dec 2011 #388

That's part of the problem today. I think some moms (dads sometimes, tho less so), feel their child Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #403

Yes and No Skelly Dec 2011 #350

4 yr old niece sittin at table with all the adults said something snotty to mom seabeyond Dec 2011 #422

My goodness, people who've never had children liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #62

Touche Broderick Dec 2011 #146

Finally, somone putting the blame where it belongs... Bad Parents. Taitertots Dec 2011 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2011 #195

I just hope they are not the kind of people that take their children to fancy restraunts, etc... Taitertots Dec 2011 #265

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2011 #272

The problem is that there are parents who do less than nothing to stop their misbehaving children Taitertots Dec 2011 #292

The OP is lumping spoiled children and normal children together, with her complaints pnwmom Dec 2011 #344

I don't agree with your interpretation of the OP Taitertots Dec 2011 #440

Yes, but are these concerns even real? HuckleB Dec 2011 #454

On this we agree, HuckleB. pnwmom Dec 2011 #464

+1 HuckleB Dec 2011 #492

We wouldn't be having this discussion if they didn't Taitertots Dec 2011 #486

We don't know that they're happening, and we certainly don't know that they're happening very often. HuckleB Dec 2011 #491

I've seen it and numerous people here have too Taitertots Dec 2011 #543

I know plenty of parents and other adults who have not seen it. HuckleB Dec 2011 #550

But if you read many of the writer's other posts in this thread, pnwmom Dec 2011 #542

Good point, seaglass. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #343

I promise I'll never remain silent again around bratty kids and their charmed parents. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #220

That's why Islamic kids are well behaved jberryhill Dec 2011 #71

I totally sympathize, parenting skills are in short supply ThomThom Dec 2011 #81

ThomThom, the only ones angry are the parents of bratty kids, and it's a tiny handful. The rest Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #225

wow. really? and you know everyone that disagrees. that they have kids? that their kids seabeyond Dec 2011 #297

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Dec 2011 #84

You were surprised when your husband's niece who lives at home showed up? pnwmom Dec 2011 #345

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Dec 2011 #352

If I knew one of my adult nieces was living at home, of course I'd invite her for a family dinner. pnwmom Dec 2011 #354

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Dec 2011 #355

No. But I think it would be polite to invite any adult niece or nephew who's living with the parents pnwmom Dec 2011 #357

You make some good points but others are way over the top. pnwmom Dec 2011 #85

out of many good responses, barbtries Dec 2011 #166

Thank you helderheid Dec 2011 #387

"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations" WHAT? You don't want kids uppityperson Dec 2011 #86

According to the OP, they shouldn't talk and they shouldn't listen. pnwmom Dec 2011 #87

+100000 uppityperson Dec 2011 #92

I agree Broderick Dec 2011 #154

Support here from Grandma AlwaysQuestion Dec 2011 #91

What Grandma said! nt blaze Dec 2011 #116

Thank you for the voice of reason, grandma! n/t distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #124

Thank you, grandma! You expressed it far better than I ever could! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #226

AlwaysQuestion, pnwmom Dec 2011 #346

I'm with you on this customerserviceguy Dec 2011 #94

You're right; there are some parents who are just dense when it comes to this stuff. eShirl Dec 2011 #96

A lot of people get depressed during the holidays. pnwmom Dec 2011 #101

Or maybe the kid really was a brat and his/her parents were indulgent and inconsiderate. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #123

Or maybe you didn't read her whole list of complaints pnwmom Dec 2011 #191

And also, this child-free Christmas lover takes exception to the statement distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #126

You don't have to see children on Christmas, but parents won't be leaving their kids on that day. pnwmom Dec 2011 #192

Actually... distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #223

The problem with the OP is that she was also describing perfectly normal behavior pnwmom Dec 2011 #245

How clever. Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #168

Yesterday was Christmas. How many babysitters would want to work on Christmas? pnwmom Dec 2011 #190

Considering that the OP calls those of us who liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #270

Excellent points! Reminded me that my sis has kids and she doesn't want to put up with other Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #227

Please get over yourself MattBaggins Dec 2011 #246

I've been out of high school for thirty years. Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #416

I think you're talking about those really obnoxious DevonRex Dec 2011 #102

We now have more children in our penal system than at any time in our history, retread Dec 2011 #112

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #115

that you could suggest a child be left out of Christmas day/dinner apart from its mom is heartless CreekDog Dec 2011 #131

Adults that wants kids hidden away while are spoiled themselves aggravate me uppityperson Dec 2011 #137

i was thinking of the adult that is troublesome, boring, obnoxious, show off, ect.... myself. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #151

People who want no noise, no interruptions and no messes should stay at home. PassingFair Dec 2011 #138

Controlling adults make me miserable. pa28 Dec 2011 #162

Here's the point Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #171

I agree with you. That was not the OP's "point" however... PassingFair Dec 2011 #176

You are surmising incorrectly. pnwmom Dec 2011 #199

Starting to get a sense that you regret your choices and are trying to justify them Broderick Dec 2011 #141

That's interesting Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #172

Isn't it funny? And doesn't it become clear by the posts who is a parent of a complete brat, and Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #228

Yes. I noticed that too. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #233

Since it is clear to you, am I a parent of a complete brat or one who doesn't inflict my brat on uppityperson Dec 2011 #258

The only thing that becomes clear is who actually read your whole post pnwmom Dec 2011 #347

That made me laugh out loud. Puglover Dec 2011 #587

well, it's not really too late as she has changed her mind and wants kids now JI7 Dec 2011 #312

replying to bookmark Iggo Dec 2011 #145

Me too. Adsos Letter Dec 2011 #147

I dislike your list, but I will tell you this. Neoma Dec 2011 #161

You're right -- babies and children need interactions with a variety of people. pnwmom Dec 2011 #203

My problem with this thread is the narrow focus. EFerrari Dec 2011 #175

Very true. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #193

good point fishwax Dec 2011 #261

Oh yes. Initech Dec 2011 #177

ROFL! This is true. You can tell the mariachi band to go away. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #229

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Completely uncalled for. MineralMan Dec 2011 #182

I don't know, rather rude to be let stand, true. uppityperson Dec 2011 #289

Amen! And I have a very similar list I will share: LaraMN Dec 2011 #187

+1000. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #194

It sounds like the problem is you. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #196

I'm am in utter disbelief frazzled Dec 2011 #197

Thanks for the reality check. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #206

Exactly. n/t FourScore Dec 2011 #221

Amen DesertRat Dec 2011 #320

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #383

VERY well said! nt tpsbmam Dec 2011 #404

IRRITATE, not aggravate! PLEASE! downwardly_mobile Dec 2011 #201

"aggravate" has been used in that sense for about 400 years fishwax Dec 2011 #264

There's a lot of stuff here. Quartermass Dec 2011 #205

If you are invited somewhere where there will be children, then stay home. HappyMe Dec 2011 #217

Nice rant, I am guessing a relatives kid. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #219

Nope. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #231

I think it's rude to have kids. Sky Masterson Dec 2011 #222

You're right. It's incredibly selfish! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #230

I was joking Sky Masterson Dec 2011 #239

I wasn't. I'm an observer. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #268

That you agreed Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #363

I didn't lie. I told the truth about my choices. Yet you think I have no right to make choices Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #366

That is completely insane. SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #608

This is not the topic of the OP, but yes, having kids is selfish... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #609

I have two sons.... ThatsMyBarack Dec 2011 #237

Wow, what a brat! Was he correcting your grammar too? CreekDog Dec 2011 #238

You got in just before the wire. Nastiest, Dumbest Post of 2011 Number23 Dec 2011 #242

I love being around children etherealtruth Dec 2011 #248

I attended a family dinner at the home of a control freak once. pnwmom Dec 2011 #251

it's Parents WHO (er, I think) Skittles Dec 2011 #253

Definitely. I certainly think some are. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #263

I, for one, really appreciate posts such as this. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #262

I spend a fair amount of time around kids, but I've never encountered most of what you mention fishwax Dec 2011 #266

Being a "part-time father", my situation is halfway between full-time parent and childless steve2470 Dec 2011 #269

While I don't like obnoxious adults or children October Dec 2011 #271

It must feel good to know that adults enjoy being with your kids Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #274

That is definitely bragging! onpatrol98 Dec 2011 #574

lol! Sorry. <blush> October Feb 2012 #660

my kids were brought up in a house full of adults.... lost-in-nj Dec 2011 #273

Nothing is perfect on earth. :) Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #275

wow where in my post did I say the world was my childrens nanny??? lost-in-nj Dec 2011 #557

I don't lack respect for people who have kids. I lack respect for Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #558

Funny. I think you simply hate kids. ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #276

Here's the good thing about this - Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #286

Hilarious. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #356

Hilarious is the fact that you haven't read through the responses to the moms that disagree with you Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #368

Anti-puppy rants are funny. ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #418

I imagine many people believe themselves clever enough LanternWaste Dec 2011 #384

You imagine correct. Good job. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #415

Not really a job either... LanternWaste Dec 2011 #449

Wow, so many broad brushes on this thread! tpsbmam Dec 2011 #280

If I wanted to invite a child to my conversations, I would, as would you. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #281

Where the hell did I suggest you should share your every concern with kids? tpsbmam Dec 2011 #290

No, they're not called babysitters. They're called "people who treat children like the human beings pnwmom Dec 2011 #349

Good for you for engaging with that 14 year old. pnwmom Dec 2011 #313

Thanks. Yeah, the kid broke my heart. tpsbmam Dec 2011 #400

I read a book on this topic pnwmom Dec 2011 #474

Yep, I'm familiar with that book -- that's the principle, backed by sound research tpsbmam Dec 2011 #594

I just reread your first post here and realized we have something else in common. pnwmom Dec 2011 #598

Well, and my profession helps..... tpsbmam Dec 2011 #647

"You're a sly one, Mr. Grinch..." johnaries Dec 2011 #283

Here's the thing, why does it bug you so much that I live my life as I desire? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #284

Well..I agree with you! murray hill farm Dec 2011 #362

Thank you, mom and grandma! You're right that parents who do this are saying fuck you to others Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #367

Maybe it's because her heart was 3 sizes too small? helderheid Dec 2011 #393

To summarize this thread : People suck. quakerboy Dec 2011 #285

You got it wrong. Read this: I'm not anyone's nanny. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #287

I wasnt summarizing you, I was summarizing the entire thread. quakerboy Dec 2011 #333

This thread makes me want to adopt Prism Dec 2011 #291

Actually, what's really interesting in this is the reaction from certain parents Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #293

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i think pretty much everyone of us parents agree, we dont want you around our kids. really seabeyond Dec 2011 #298

My child sitting quietly listening to adults talk=brat. Gotcha.Indeed, that IS my child and and glad uppityperson Dec 2011 #302

I don't think that's a "raw nerve" Prism Dec 2011 #304

Children are naturally narcissistic, but it's something that they usually grow out of. pnwmom Dec 2011 #305

Oh, I don't really think that's fair. polly7 Dec 2011 #307

Clearly. helderheid Dec 2011 #394

In my family, we learned it was our duty to spoil children EFerrari Dec 2011 #311

I disagree a tiny bit Prism Dec 2011 #597

This thread = awesome. flvegan Dec 2011 #294

This thread = nuts frazzled Dec 2011 #323

There's a lot of generalizations on both sides. Quartermass Dec 2011 #300

There sure are. polly7 Dec 2011 #321

When I see people here comparing children to dogs, or calling them "hobbies," pnwmom Dec 2011 #325

Children were compared to dogs here? polly7 Dec 2011 #329

See post 43, for one example. n/t DesertRat Dec 2011 #331

Ok, so the poster who began the thread didn't compare children to dogs at all. polly7 Dec 2011 #340

Oh, I see Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #443

The OP first used the term "narcissistic" to characterize the children. pnwmom Dec 2011 #466

Sounds like you need new friends, don't stand for that s#$t! It is NOT... webDude Dec 2011 #317

If memory serves, this type of rant is not uncommon with you. Frankly, it's tired. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #326

With the move to the new DU, it's always helpful when posters remind us who they are. MissB Dec 2011 #328

Yeah, I'm afraid I'm going to have to unrec this. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #332

I remember your posts well enough to know pnwmom Dec 2011 #334

Not if you allow your kid to visit other homes and be destructive, create a ruckus, interrupt, and Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #399

My christmas consisted of a giant family gathering Muskypundit Dec 2011 #335

Well, the main problem was that mine was a grown-ups gathering... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #374

You thought a single mom would leave her child at home on CHRISTMAS? DesertRat Dec 2011 #389

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +10000 helderheid Dec 2011 #395

Exactly. I've noticed that many people who don't have kids just don't fucking get it. At ALL. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #473

May I modestly suggest FloridaJudy Dec 2011 #348

No, actually, my next one will not include the monster's mom Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #371

Let's see if I can summarize here FloridaJudy Dec 2011 #501

I don't beg people to come to my house. I asked some people to a party. Those that came, Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #503

Someday, when you are still childless and collecting your Social Security checks, pnwmom Dec 2011 #351

??? So basically just let kids become wild animals because one day I will need them for something. onion belt Dec 2011 #432

No. You didn't read her whole post, because she also objects pnwmom Dec 2011 #453

Why? Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #359

Why what? You missed the entire point, which is that unloading a BAD kid on others is intolerable Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #370

I don't like it when my daughter Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #446

True. Thanks. By the way, it wasn't just I that was upset. Others at the party came to me to Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #447

I have two daughters that are 7 and 6. I teach them to be polite and try to have good behavior. Jennicut Dec 2011 #372

As this thread demonstrates, children are most frequently ego extensions of their parents. nt Romulox Dec 2011 #378

I think very often they are. I do think some parents are overwhelmed by their own kids, and some Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #392

Ding! Ding! NinetySix Dec 2011 #379

thanks, id never seen that site before Enrique Dec 2011 #472

Or Republicans; greiner3 Dec 2011 #380

"Yesterday I had to spend some time with one of these kids" lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #382

"Parents that insist on their kids performing for you" Glassunion Dec 2011 #390

That's quite the pointless cliche, er urban myth. HuckleB Dec 2011 #514

Nah... A comedian I heard does a great bit on it. Glassunion Dec 2011 #555

Where in the hell mrs_p Dec 2011 #397

That wasn't the problem. The problem was that she watched her kid be a complete pest and did Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #398

Was there another room for the kid to play in? mrs_p Dec 2011 #405

Sure, there was another room, but I didn't expect the child to be hidden in there. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #407

Well, there is no changing people like that mrs_p Dec 2011 #412

Thank you! I do have the solution, and this thread helped me arrive there. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #421

A response and reminder... Juneboarder Dec 2011 #402

I like kids treestar Dec 2011 #406

I agree! It's unrealistic. I browsed through a book not long ago titled, I'm Not Your Friend; I'm Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #408

i have real issues with parents saying, but i am his/her friend seabeyond Dec 2011 #409

Good point. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #410

You can be both, and do just fine. AverageJoe90 Dec 2011 #439

You are so right. polly7 Dec 2011 #441

it is a different position. that is the point. seabeyond Dec 2011 #475

There is a point to this, though. chrisa Dec 2011 #413

Exactly! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #419

Damn...looks like you (OP) hit a nerve! badgerpup Dec 2011 #417

It definitely hit a nerve with those who 'saw' themselves in my description of the irresponsible Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #420

again. i dont agree. i tried to respond to your posts respectfully and with thought, though i seabeyond Dec 2011 #423

ding! ding! ding! helderheid Dec 2011 #430

Maybe she's not talking about YOU! onion belt Dec 2011 #431

she was talking about the posters on this thread that disagree with her. you agreed with her. seabeyond Dec 2011 #433

Well, I recall you writing the other day that you don't really care if your kid smokes weed onion belt Dec 2011 #435

your interpretation is a caracture of what i posted. seabeyond Dec 2011 #467

"really... really.... is childish" I wonder why she is so mad at the other children? retread Dec 2011 #444

LOL- I agree! onion belt Dec 2011 #425

please point out one post that states children should be "the center of attention 24/7" seabeyond Dec 2011 #427

There's a person who seemed to take offense at the statement about including kids in adult onion belt Dec 2011 #429

the point is, a couple people with no children, no experience with children, no parenting seabeyond Dec 2011 #471

Exactly! It's definitely not healthy even for the child. They grow up not socializing properly Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #428

Oh, god, not the "my fur babies are just the same as your human ones!!!!" crap again Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #460

I feel the same way about members of Congress, who are like our children slackmaster Dec 2011 #442

I agree. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #445

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2011 #450

OUCH Broderick Dec 2011 #458

Kinda nutty that your annoyance is being called LanternWaste Dec 2011 #451

Yup! Apparently irresponsible parents think it's cool to have their brats annoy adults and kids Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #477

I agree with much of your post... HuckleB Dec 2011 #452

I notice that people without kids seem to think people with kids are endlessly preoccupied with them Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #457

Oh I do. That's why she won't be invited next year. Are you volunteering to invite her to your Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #480

Oh heavens Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #483

Chuckle Broderick Dec 2011 #511

Translation: MY FRIENDS WITH KIDS REFUSE TO CONFORM TO MY DEMANDS ABOUT THEIR LIVES Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #463

Me? I tried to do the woman a favor by inviting her. She apparently could care less about the rest Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #479

You don't understand why a single mother couldn't "leave the kid at home" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #482

Thank god you were there to judge her! AngryAmish Dec 2011 #465

Me and the entire group of people at the party. Well, the good thing is now she'll Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #478

I'd welcome her. I do not require that my friends, or their children... FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #624

And yet you think only she counts, and not me. I did her a favor, but in return, she allowed her Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #627

Here's a perfect example of the mentality displayed in this OP: Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #481

No, she didn't have to leave the child at home. But you're equating apples and oranges. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #485

but then you went beyond just your situation to a list of rules for parents in parenting ALL seabeyond Dec 2011 #488

did you talk to her about it? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #497

Nope. I was pretty shocked that she was fine with it and smiling. On the other hand... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #498

So, you chickened out. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #500

I didn't. I try to be polite, and didn't want to embarrass her in front of others Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #502

then take her aside Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #504

LOL! Spaulding? More like Little Nosferatu. No, I expect parents to have respect for others Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #506

Okay, well, you're saying that your stuff was destroyed & your party fucked up. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #509

FYI - in case you don't know - the party is over and the brat is out of my and my guests' lives. :) Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #510

Every time I've had a party that's lasted for days, my place has been messed up Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #522

ROFL! Okay, but now you're talking about an entirely different sort of 'party' Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #525

Wow. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #625

LOL! The ID you chose to use in DU pretty much says that about everything in life, doesn't it? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #626

You can attempt to deflect with juvenile quips if you like. Your post stands as APPALLING. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #629

I'm dead serious. Anyone with an ID like yours is making a statement: that he's fed up with all, Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #630

Really, very poorly constructed deflection. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #632

I don't care if you're an alien from another planet. Your ID tells what you think and feel. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #633

Have a nice day Sarah. n/t FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #634

No actually your post Puglover Dec 2011 #590

This is most ugly post I have ever read on DU Whoa_Nelly Dec 2011 #484

You are correct. This post brought out lots of irresponsible parents with brats Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #487

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:facepalm: Shining Jack Dec 2011 #592

How, exactly, would you have preferred this kid to be "fascinating"? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #499

There was nothing appealing about 'the kid' to anyone in attendance. There was a lot repulsive, Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #505

I'm wondering what your idea of a 'fascinating' kid at an adults party would be like Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #507

I didn't expect him to be fascinating, but if he was going to demand the unpleasant attention of Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #508

So I ask again, how old was this kid? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #512

About 7 or 8. Obnoxious ad nauseam. So now, Doctor Freud... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #515

a 7 or 8 year old probably isnt gonna know how to entertain adults Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #520

Yeah well... I ought to have said something at some point, such as... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #527

That probably would have gone well. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #529

Only after she arrived with her brat and allowed him to run wild. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #531

I'm just really wondering how this all happened as a giant surprise to you. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #538

i am curious about the age. age matters. and not a mention. 5? 10? 16? lol. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #513

Good heavens, it's not an either-or thing here Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #489

Thank you. Doesn't it make you wonder why these certain parents are taking it so personally? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #490

Yeah, you fail. Whoa_Nelly Dec 2011 #495

Interesting. yella_dawg Dec 2011 #521

I had a different name on DU back then, and dropped it and signed up on a new email/new name Whoa_Nelly Dec 2011 #534

I noticed that too. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #565

Well, at least she has good company. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #535

This thread have over 550 replies and 4170+ views. Shining Jack Dec 2011 #559

Nope. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #569

Exactly. n/t distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #494

Let's look at the video from Christmas and see if the OP has a leg to stand on AngryAmish Dec 2011 #496

!!!!!!!! helderheid Dec 2011 #519

LMAO Broderick Dec 2011 #524

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2011 #566

I've been thinking on this lately. yella_dawg Dec 2011 #517

Excellent point for discussion! I wish you'd start a thread on this. However, beware. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #523

Ah, the old "good old days" theory. HuckleB Dec 2011 #528

Such as? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #530

If you had kids you would've given up pn this thread CreekDog Dec 2011 #540

If I were in Italy, I'd be sleeping. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #564

Are you saying you don't know much about history? HuckleB Dec 2011 #551

No, I'm saying prove your assertion. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #563

Why? HuckleB Feb 2012 #661

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In other words, you're choosing to ignore that sociology digs back into daily histories. HuckleB Dec 2011 #548

Wow did this bring out our opinions!! marlakay Dec 2011 #532

Thanks! You brought out a very interesting point, which is that Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #560

So okay you claim TZ Dec 2011 #533

Par for the course Broderick Dec 2011 #537

I'd say about half that list is perfectly innocuous behavior. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #539

+1 HuckleB Dec 2011 #553

Clearly you just don't care for children. Chemisse Dec 2011 #547

+1 HuckleB Dec 2011 #552

Oooh, if your kids are like those, I'm glad you're on the other side of a screen!! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #561

My kids are grown now but they were pretty well behaved. Chemisse Dec 2011 #618

I think what she describes in the OP is a mother who wants to be KurtNYC Dec 2011 #567

Bitterman ..... party of one your tables ready lost-in-nj Dec 2011 #556

My dad says that he's never seen a happy, spoiled kid. n/t Pryderi Dec 2011 #572

He's right. The behavior of spoiled kids is abnormal behavior. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #573

I know adults that exhibit pretty much every one of those examples. Many were NRaleighLiberal Dec 2011 #576

I really don't feel the aggravation that you do over these things that Liquorice Dec 2011 #577

Then you will like this story. lonestarnot Dec 2011 #578

ROFLMAO! I love that. There should be more people like you around. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #580

:) lonestarnot Dec 2011 #623

Here's something that a fellow parent I know says whenever bitter adults melissaf Dec 2011 #581

You missed one tiny point. Bad behavior in kids is the PARENTS' responsibility Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #583

I think most people understand that point Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #586

Yes Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #588

That post wasn't mine Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #589

You should listen and learn from whomever wrote that statement CreekDog Dec 2011 #595

As a mom, my motto is, if your mom isn't on your side, nobody else will be. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #582

Actually, melissaf Dec 2011 #593

The 5:00 restaurant rule is the key to happiness in the suburbs.......... Burma Jones Dec 2011 #604

Are there no prisons? And the union workhouses, are they still in operation? nt Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #599

Seems like this is lacking many details. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #600

I don't have kids.....have a stepson.... blueamy66 Dec 2011 #601

I love my nieces and nephews. Love taking them to the movies and Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #611

I can relate!!! blueamy66 Dec 2011 #617

God, me TOO!!! Isn't it bliss? I almost feel guilty about it. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #619

Yeah....it's fun to spoil them and then go home and put on my jammies blueamy66 Dec 2011 #622

Well, you'd get along pretty well with my wife and our three kids Burma Jones Dec 2011 #603

Wow, that woman was a total nutjob. What's more, unsolicited touching is battery. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #606

I don't have much to add to what has already been said. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #607

LOL! Everywhere you go, people run away. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #610

That's how it was when I was a little kid, too. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #628

And according to your chosen ID, you're full of hogwash. Interesting! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #631

These parents see their kids merely as extensions of themselves, begin_within Dec 2011 #613

If that's true, then it's like having a boil on one's neck and showing it off Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #615

They don't see the kid the same way we see them. begin_within Dec 2011 #621

I think I can help you... SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #614

The flame war wasn't begun by me. I explained something factual Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #616

Who composed the OP? taterguy Dec 2011 #636

Oh, so I'm supposed to be a fucking psychic and determine who might be an asshole responding to Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #637

I'm still waiting for an answer to these two questions. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #638

People have strong opinions about child-rearing taterguy Dec 2011 #640

And because people might have strong opinions I have to stfu about something Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #641

I would wager some here have stong opinions about adults who get their panties in a twist FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #643

And who starts threads like this every few months? And furthermore Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #644

As the host, you have a responsibility of putting your guests at ease Nikia Dec 2011 #639

I'm no nanny. I don't recall offering to play babysitter that evening. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #642

You shouldn't play the victim here, it was your party Nikia Dec 2011 #645

I can kick an adult guest out of my house in a jiffy or call the police on them Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #646

totally agree with op. polically incorrect Dec 2011 #649

Take it from me, a woman, get rid of this woman. Parents that insist on shoving the kids up Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #650

Gee whiz, you're the popular kid, Sarah! valerief Dec 2011 #651

Oh yeah. I had no idea every parent of a brat would come out to attack my post Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #652

If they spent that much energy disciplining their brats, the kids wouldn't be brats! valerief Dec 2011 #653

Oh ABSOLUTELY! Their little Timmy is NEVER a monster! Of course he isn't LOL! Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #659