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AtheistCrusader

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399. No, primarily i'm asking if

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:20 PM

Dec 2015

it is actually a problem worth addressing. Does it enable a crime, or does it amplify the damage of a crime?

So far I've got one example of this practice being legal, and the fact that it was legal gave the person doing it a 'pass' to be ignored by the police until he started killing people. An opportunity to save (I think two) lives was missed because OC being legal meant what he was doing in that moment wasn't worth law enforcement acting on it, despite at least one person considering it suspicious.

How often does that happen. What is the net return on changing this practice? My state is OC. Never once heard of it contributing to a problem. Not once. (The example upthread might have been from a different state)

I think the OP is overreacting, but like art, you can't exactly quantify people's responses to an emotional thing. I don't consider that behavior a threat, someone else might I guess. I don't particularly see why.

The reason I'm not a big fan of OC is entirely backwards/unhelpful to the OP's position. I view it as a strategic and tactical error if one is in fact carrying a gun for personal security.

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Rattled and shaken after seeing open carry in a grocery store [View all] cynatnite Dec 2015 OP

I know how you feel gwheezie Dec 2015 #1

Well said! nt Stellar Dec 2015 #227

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #432

Any proof of that? Or did you just make it up? Kingofalldems Dec 2015 #434

Bad guys with guns keep their guns hidden while good guys don't? uppityperson Dec 2015 #436

. libodem Dec 2015 #506

I think it just makes me feel bad. hollowdweller Dec 2015 #2

I'm don't know if not knowing is better. n/t cynatnite Dec 2015 #3

I'm not worried about a potential killer's "feelings" about me, other than if they're homicidal ones WinkyDink Dec 2015 #412

for all the reasons to NOT shop at a Walmart... lame54 Dec 2015 #4

In what way is it weak? cynatnite Dec 2015 #10

I've seen people carry guns in much more reputable businesses... lame54 Dec 2015 #14

in many areas, the evil empire is the only available market within many miles. some people do niyad Dec 2015 #245

That's your response? davidthegnome Dec 2015 #296

I have to say... lame54 Dec 2015 #322

Just getting warmed up. davidthegnome Dec 2015 #335

People who pointedly open carry when there is no good reason to have their own tblue37 Dec 2015 #57

Exactly. It's a show of dominance. "I can kill you right now if I want." enough Dec 2015 #111

I�ll tag on to your point.. busterbrown Dec 2015 #271

Well said. Duppers Dec 2015 #174

Insightful comment. ronnie624 Dec 2015 #175

Be careful--if you make gun:dick comparisons, you'll offend the gun apologists Orrex Dec 2015 #203

The problem is mindem Dec 2015 #321

As well as anyone who values reasoned, adult discourse. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #461

Yes, I'm sure that most gun apologists imagine themselves to be reasonable adults Orrex Dec 2015 #472

"quite effective" Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #480

Deny it if you wish. The gun/penis joke is centuries old, and it isn't leaving any time soon. Orrex Dec 2015 #485

I suppose it depends on just what you want to be effective in doing. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #491

The primary intent is to mock the foolishness of the open-carry mindset Orrex Dec 2015 #493

No, I needn't deal with that at all... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #498

Denial it is, then. Got it. Orrex Dec 2015 #499

Nope, refutation. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #500

My wife open carries when appropriate. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #250

when IS IT appropriate?are you realy unaware of women trying to be macho? ohheckyeah Dec 2015 #402

The only places I can think of is when out hunting or at a shooting range. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #427

The metaphor works for all sexes. WinkyDink Dec 2015 #414

I'm of the dickless variety and have a gun as well. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2015 #448

SO why does she? Scared that some sicko with a gun will open fire in public? Rex Dec 2015 #453

Cougars and bears, mostly. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #509

That's the standard objection, and it's a weak objection Orrex Dec 2015 #467

Yet, it's the only go-to some people can seem to come up with. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #510

If "it's the only go-to," that's probably because... Orrex Dec 2015 #512

Not just gun manufacturers. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #540

For all the reasons to NOT shop at Walmart, that's, additionally, a pretty good one villager Dec 2015 #39

It is just as easy to shop at Target or Macy's or any other less. Maraya1969 Dec 2015 #109

I don't shop there, Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #329

My right to shop without fear trumps a gun humper's right to be scared of his own shadow Generic Other Dec 2015 #332

Really? Having people with guns at their ready is NOT a good enough reason for you? Wow. WinkyDink Dec 2015 #413

the point is... lame54 Dec 2015 #417

I would react the exact same way. Vinca Dec 2015 #5

"Are artichokes and onions so threatening..." KamaAina Dec 2015 #8

Have you seen the kumatoes? Vinca Dec 2015 #11

. cynatnite Dec 2015 #13

I'm glad I made you laugh. Vinca Dec 2015 #15

I needed it! cynatnite Dec 2015 #17

I've only seen the first one--"Harold and Kumato Go to White Castle.". nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #52

Nothing like rotten eggs nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #24

Somebody has to do it - tomatoes can be killers! csziggy Dec 2015 #96

Subthread win! KamaAina Dec 2015 #143

I almost posted the theme song csziggy Dec 2015 #150

This is my position, too gratuitous Dec 2015 #19

Me, too. I'd leave as fast as possible. n/t Brainstormy Dec 2015 #77

here's why OC is dangerous azureblue Dec 2015 #288

Good point. Vinca Dec 2015 #304

I'm no black belt, but... DissidentVoice Dec 2015 #311

I won't shop in any open carry store here in Florida katmondoo Dec 2015 #6

Same here in SC, katmondoo SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #110

Open carry store in Florida? EL34x4 Dec 2015 #217

There aren't any open carry stores in Florida. whopis01 Dec 2015 #267

Cleanup on Aisle 4! KamaAina Dec 2015 #7

Nothing says Merry Christmas like a Glock 9 mm strapped to the hip. lpbk2713 Dec 2015 #9

I hear you. NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #12

Very true. deathrind Dec 2015 #37

The way I see it is NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #43

Yes deathrind Dec 2015 #167

Personally Old Codger Dec 2015 #116

A few weeks ago in Colorado Springs, a guy was walking around a neighborhood mountain grammy Dec 2015 #155

My point Old Codger Dec 2015 #160

was going to post the same thing Locrian Dec 2015 #242

I agree 110% deathrind Dec 2015 #165

Because if you are a deranged idiot out to kill a lot of people, you make a lot of Squinch Dec 2015 #307

And yet AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #316

This is an odd argument. I never saw evidence of anyone wearing black raincoats Squinch Dec 2015 #319

No, I think those attacks will happen regardless. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #324

My statement is that they are not mutually exclusive. You seem to be arguing against Squinch Dec 2015 #326

I think there's a possibility that a planned shooter might move about unrecognized AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #328

No. Not odd. Any more than "It was a black raincoat. I ignored it." We hadn't seen that, Squinch Dec 2015 #347

And really, when has a planned shooter been recognized before they began shooting? Squinch Dec 2015 #348

Caught one near a school recently. School resource officer shot him. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #362

I have no idea what your point is. You are asking for examples of people who were Squinch Dec 2015 #370

Let me try again. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #394

Still not getting you. Are you saying that open carry does not cause massacres? Because no one has Squinch Dec 2015 #396

No, primarily i'm asking if AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #399

There is a poster up thread who talks about the fact that he Squinch Dec 2015 #400

From last month: "In Colorado Springs, dispatcher brushed off reports of a man with a gun.." Cal Carpenter Dec 2015 #330

Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #363

I live in So Az. panader0 Dec 2015 #16

It's not common here... cynatnite Dec 2015 #21

I live in the Flagstaff area and, like you, it's common to see people open carrying, GGJohn Dec 2015 #138

Same here NT Elmergantry Dec 2015 #228

Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT. bananas Dec 2015 #340

Jeezus, some people are so thin skinned. GGJohn Dec 2015 #345

Thats not 'thin skinned'. beevul Dec 2015 #501

I understand what you are saying and I feel for you. icymist Dec 2015 #18

You are right to be upset nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #20

Thanks. cynatnite Dec 2015 #23

I'm surprised our resident glib sociopaths haven't polluted this thread yet with their usual drivel. Electric Monk Dec 2015 #22

Well the poor gun is under the bed nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #27

*This* smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #35

Despite your negative comments towards DU firearm owners, GGJohn Dec 2015 #139

When ya gotta hate-on, any port in a storm... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #249

I prefer concealed carry. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #252

So true, I hate it. Just causes issues CC is all someone needs. nt Logical Dec 2015 #342

Disagree with me about guns = glib sociopath? hack89 Dec 2015 #205

Speaking as a glib sociopath... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #253

Open carry is for insecure showoffs. Idiotic. CC is all we need. nt Logical Dec 2015 #343

I agree. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #351

We are normAlizing guns in public elehhhhna Dec 2015 #25

That is what worries me, great point. randys1 Dec 2015 #28

I grew up with it. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #411

I guess the plus is at least you knew he had it madville Dec 2015 #26

same here sweetapogee Dec 2015 #206

It is disconcerting... deathrind Dec 2015 #29

I'm sorry that happened to you. yardwork Dec 2015 #30

Would concealed carry be better? aksptth Dec 2015 #31

Concealed toters are just as bad, and the cowboy/hero bit is more likely to get Hoyt Dec 2015 #33

Remember the mom with a loaded gun in her purse in the shopping cart, with her toddler peacebird Dec 2015 #54

It was an accident! aksptth Dec 2015 #84

The parent was irresponsible enough to have a loaded handgun in her purse without the safety on peacebird Dec 2015 #123

A preventable accident. TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #124

Most are. aksptth Dec 2015 #127

So how do we keep dangerous instruments out of the hands of ignoramuses? TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #146

Gun Laws aksptth Dec 2015 #338

There are no "accidents" with guns. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #140

A child having access to a loaded gun is no accident mountain grammy Dec 2015 #156

It was not an "accident". mwb970 Dec 2015 #201

Seems like depraved indifference on the part of the gun owner to me. Squinch Dec 2015 #381

Not a rational argument aksptth Dec 2015 #74

I know, George Zimmerman is a responsible gun toter, and protector of society. "Defensive carry" Hoyt Dec 2015 #75

You speak of "rational argument" and float the "ban cars" gibberish in the same message Major Nikon Dec 2015 #86

An absurd argument for effect aksptth Dec 2015 #100

The effect is what's absurd Major Nikon Dec 2015 #113

Don't know about the cliche you speak of.... aksptth Dec 2015 #132

Good Lord. Guns are not "useful" in the same way cars are. Are you kidding? mwb970 Dec 2015 #202

Deadly Force is Never Appropriate? aksptth Dec 2015 #341

Another low-count newbie spouting garbage. nt Ilsa Dec 2015 #102

There's no shortage of non-newbies around here who try to float the same gibberish Major Nikon Dec 2015 #115

Oh please. aksptth Dec 2015 #125

Expect this semi-sanctioned treatment of 2A progressives in DU. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #255

It's the most enthusiastically ignored civil right on DU. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #259

The bat signal seems to have gone out on this thread. I wonder what it sounds like. Squinch Dec 2015 #379

Snobbery against low-count posters is just silly. cwydro Dec 2015 #455

Only a handful of such cases treestar Dec 2015 #199

No. The cowboy/hero statement is not repugnant. Squinch Dec 2015 #308

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #344

You carry because you want to feel some power that you don't feel unless you do carry. Squinch Dec 2015 #349

And yes. With very few exceptions, this gun mania that has gripped the frightened Squinch Dec 2015 #355

"what is happening is not weekly massacres of "innocent bystanders""? Wtf? Clarify please uppityperson Dec 2015 #364

Got any proof of your claim Hoyt? eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #142

Got any proof I'm wrong, except support from your gun toting buddies. Hoyt Dec 2015 #166

Yep, just as I thought, GGJohn Dec 2015 #169

Hoyt still doesn't know how it works. Straw Man Dec 2015 #189

Some things are obvious to all but those enamored with gunz. But just for you -- Hoyt Dec 2015 #218

Gee, Hoyt, I wasn't talking about guns. Straw Man Dec 2015 #286

Strawman, you are a gunner, so anything you say is usually about gunz in some respect. Hoyt Dec 2015 #287

I had a nice breakfast today. Straw Man Dec 2015 #289

Proof of the claim that people don't need a gun strapped to their body to go to the grocery store? Squinch Dec 2015 #357

Uh, no. GGJohn Dec 2015 #366

Oh. I see. You are standing up for the self-proclaimed hero. Squinch Dec 2015 #371

Uh, no. GGJohn Dec 2015 #372

Uh, sure. Squinch Dec 2015 #373

Believe what you will, GGJohn Dec 2015 #374

Uh, OK. Squinch Dec 2015 #375

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #36

She's rattled because she KNOWS that it's an aggressive STATEMENT to openly carry. pnwmom Dec 2015 #48

It sure is, pnwmom Hekate Dec 2015 #151

Because they're a vet, their story is suspicious??? uppityperson Dec 2015 #72

Good point. Agreed. aksptth Dec 2015 #89

Me either, I won't defend it. But I have known vets with unexpected ptsd triggers. uppityperson Dec 2015 #105

Worse Major Nikon Dec 2015 #83

+1000000000 Hoyt Dec 2015 #95

Grocery stores were not a place I considered appropriate for this... cynatnite Dec 2015 #133

Ah yes, the 'responsible' gun owner. progressoid Dec 2015 #208

" If something were to happen and... GoneOffShore Dec 2015 #241

Thankfully that remains more regulated Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #247

Frankly, Warren, I don't feel the least terrorized by them, and I don't OC. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #260

Politely disagree. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #262

A very reasonable staement has crept into this thread. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #251

Open carry says Old Codger Dec 2015 #274

In my state, it's perfectly legal to smoke pot recreationally and medicinally. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #278

My state Old Codger Dec 2015 #282

Our state reports those cards to the Federal Government. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #283

Oregon(where I live) Old Codger Dec 2015 #295

You've encountered the typical American gun fancier, likely a white winger afraid of Hoyt Dec 2015 #32

In most places, open carry is a dumb thing to do. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #34

Plus.....so few gun owners actually are practiced about using a gun. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2015 #65

True, but.... aksptth Dec 2015 #97

the ccw shooting test lancer78 Dec 2015 #184

I've always wondered if people get the difference Bettie Dec 2015 #219

As someone lancer78 Dec 2015 #237

Fear is a useful emotion, even to one feeling it... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #263

No one Old Codger Dec 2015 #275

Yeah, Zimmerman was well practiced at shooting people and what to tell police in event he shot an Hoyt Dec 2015 #291

You're right this is not the wild west sonofspy777 Dec 2015 #38

I'm so sorry it has come to this level of homegrown terrorism. Hugs to you and your g'kids... Hekate Dec 2015 #40

I would be extremely upset too LiberalEsto Dec 2015 #41

Wal-Mart hires a different company to take those calls. cwydro Dec 2015 #42

Call 9-1-1 mwrguy Dec 2015 #44

From the many recent murders by police if the guy is black doc03 Dec 2015 #62

and what law was he breaking Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #85

It's not a false report mwrguy Dec 2015 #87

if the guy was doing nothing wrong Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #91

It's some states, that's like reporting a man with a cell phone Reter Dec 2015 #148

Great idea! Waste valuable time and limited resources of the police department cleanhippie Dec 2015 #388

As a RKBA gun owner, I'll say that you are entitled to your feelings. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #45

Always wondered what i would do if a gun toter walked into a store I was at. rurallib Dec 2015 #46

I'm sorry. I don't have much comfort to offer you. PatrickforO Dec 2015 #47

I would be just as upset if I had young children with me. MerryBlooms Dec 2015 #49

Good for you. People should speak out when they feel the need. Gregorian Dec 2015 #50

Sorry this happened SDJay Dec 2015 #51

How I interpret open-carry is... mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #53

Another vet here, & you speak for me excellently. J'ever notice how the gunnutters are chickenhawks UTUSN Dec 2015 #55

Leave, don't buy anything, and tell the manager why alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #56

Excellent advice, analysis. I intend to do just that if I ever see japple Dec 2015 #69

Texas is getting open carry as of January 1st. Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2015 #58

It is not just the south I have seen some fools here in Ohio with doc03 Dec 2015 #59

Ohio laws are the problem aksptth Dec 2015 #149

Ohio has become Mississippi in recent years. mwb970 Dec 2015 #204

Do tell. Straw Man Dec 2015 #190

Oh yea I have heard his speech a couple times. Someone asked him if doc03 Dec 2015 #313

Why would someone need to parade an open carry gun around Starbucks other than for attention? Squinch Dec 2015 #376

Because concealed carry is illegal in Ohio without a permit. Straw Man Dec 2015 #383

Again, why would someone need to parade an open carry gun around Starbucks other than for attention? Squinch Dec 2015 #384

Once more, with feeling ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #386

And parade up and down in front of Starbucks with it because he wanted attention. Squinch Dec 2015 #387

The verb "parade" was used ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #389

While parading with his gun in hopes of getting attention. Squinch Dec 2015 #391

Psychoanalyzing random strangers in absentia? A unique talent. Straw Man Dec 2015 #395

And again we are back to this: what reason other than a need for attention would cause someone Squinch Dec 2015 #397

Well, since you are incapable of conceiving of a reason ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #404

It appears you are incapable of conceiving of a reason too, because you refuse to give any. Squinch Dec 2015 #405

Well, at the risk of belaboring the bloody obvious, ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #407

I understand why you feel the need to be so defensive, but let me point out that I have been Squinch Dec 2015 #408

And I have been civil to you. Straw Man Dec 2015 #428

There is indication that he did other than that. The person describing the situation Squinch Dec 2015 #429

And I'm telling you ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #431

So you are changing the discussion then, from whether someone parading his open carry gun Squinch Dec 2015 #439

I want to know what the OP means by "parading." Straw Man Dec 2015 #443

As I said, whether you believe the poster's description is not what we were discussing, and it is Squinch Dec 2015 #444

It is EXACTLY what we were discussing. Straw Man Dec 2015 #451

So, you agree, then. There is no reason why someone would need to parade his Squinch Dec 2015 #463

You really can't do it, can you? Straw Man Dec 2015 #465

No, I asked a question. Not sure why it upset you so. Squinch Dec 2015 #466

Disingenuous much? Straw Man Dec 2015 #469

If you had answered the question sooner, I would not have asked it over and over. Squinch Dec 2015 #470

I answered it immediately. Straw Man Dec 2015 #473

To be honest, I originally asked it rhetorically. Because I can't think of any other reason Squinch Dec 2015 #475

I love a parade. Straw Man Dec 2015 #478

OK. So, you agree that there is no reason for anyone to parade his Squinch Dec 2015 #479

Parade parade parade? Straw Man Dec 2015 #484

Here's the thing ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #460

And PS, the only "attitude" I have "displayed" was to ask, repeatedly, why Squinch Dec 2015 #445

Oh, puh-leeze ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #454

In my conversation with you, which seems difficult for you to stick to, I have asked whether Squinch Dec 2015 #464

More of the same. Straw Man Dec 2015 #468

Require a permit for concealed carry, but none for open carry? Paladin Dec 2015 #398

And some states allow concealed carry with a permit but no open carry whatsoever. Straw Man Dec 2015 #403

careful Skittles Dec 2015 #192

I'm not sure if I grasp your Penis� argument. Could you flesh it out? Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #265

And yet gun sellers are WILDLY successful when they call a gun a "man card." Squinch Dec 2015 #359

Whatever for? He was there to protect you Egnever Dec 2015 #60

He got exactly the reaction that he wanted. Throd Dec 2015 #61

What well-regulated militia to you belong to? GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #161

they're just showing who's in charge--anyone can deputize themselves now MisterP Dec 2015 #63

I grew up out west where open carry has been the law of the land Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #64

Unfortunately, that open carry prick elicited just the response he wanted from you. Paladin Dec 2015 #66

I totally agree with you. I think the open carry guys do it williesgirl Dec 2015 #67

I am going to guess TNNurse Dec 2015 #68

You make an excellent point. I have no doubt it was a white guy. The situation Squinch Dec 2015 #380

Concealed carry and Open Carry people don't get alone PatrynXX Dec 2015 #70

And yet because the average gun owner now feels he needs to own an arsenal Squinch Dec 2015 #385

I have a concealed carry permit. Texas has joined the ranks of open carry but if I carry it will Waldorf Dec 2015 #71

Seeing someone walking around a grocery store holding a gun makes most people more than AlinPA Dec 2015 #81

same here in OK Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #88

So sad dpatbrown Dec 2015 #73

..... madfloridian Dec 2015 #76

I already live in a state with extensive gun regulations (NY) so... Jerry442 Dec 2015 #78

No-gun sign SandersFTW Dec 2015 #92

Someone who carries into a store with a no-guns policy... Jerry442 Dec 2015 #103

Only if the store posts the policy. Straw Man Dec 2015 #193

There's already a de facto "no guns" policy in NY. Jerry442 Dec 2015 #207

There is no such thing. Straw Man Dec 2015 #284

Here in Missouri, as soon as the ink was dry on the CCW law here, that was passed by the legislature Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #297

There's a big difference. Straw Man Dec 2015 #367

Missouri has been trending conservative for years, having lost bellweather status a decade ago... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #422

cynatnite SandersFTW Dec 2015 #79

Medic during active duty. Flight medic in the Air Guard. n/t cynatnite Dec 2015 #136

Thank you for your service.... Hekate Dec 2015 #153

Say what? DVRacer Dec 2015 #168

Come now, I'd have to look back at my DD214 to remember my two primary NEC's (Navy version of MOS). haele Dec 2015 #314

Hmm DVRacer Dec 2015 #365

Welcome to DU! You seem to be concerned. Please feel free to share more of msanthrope Dec 2015 #409

No problem DVRacer Dec 2015 #441

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: onecaliberal Dec 2015 #80

As i have stated before angrychair Dec 2015 #82

That's a bad policy aksptth Dec 2015 #141

Also, to those people who are too terrified to go unarmed to Walmart: Jerry442 Dec 2015 #90

received a robocall from the OCP (Orange Country Police) NoMoreRepugs Dec 2015 #93

How many open carry folks have shot anyone? 1939 Dec 2015 #94

how do you know KT2000 Dec 2015 #179

Misfits. Straw Man Dec 2015 #194

If it takes this to get people to stop shopping at Walmart, then it's worth it! Township75 Dec 2015 #98

Heh heh. Imagine a future with "red" and "blue" stores. Jerry442 Dec 2015 #107

now that NJCher Dec 2015 #135

You made my evening!! Kilgore Dec 2015 #356

Wanna be paramilitary. Just waiting to be given a little power to "Take back his country". jalan48 Dec 2015 #99

? SandersFTW Dec 2015 #106

Sorry-I guess I wasn't clear. jalan48 Dec 2015 #108

?? SandersFTW Dec 2015 #112

Because I don't like seeing guns carried in a store where families are shopping. jalan48 Dec 2015 #114

... SandersFTW Dec 2015 #117

Do you understand how people might feel seeing guns exhibited in public this way? jalan48 Dec 2015 #121

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Call corporate. Tell them you left without purchasing TalkingDog Dec 2015 #101

Holding your hand and wholeheartedly agreeing. You did the right thing, leave, NEVER go back. joanbarnes Dec 2015 #104

I do not live in an open carry state and I am glad. The jwirr Dec 2015 #118

I think people that openly carry guns stage left Dec 2015 #119

I'd freak out as well malaise Dec 2015 #120

Texas will be open carry in January... Moral Compass Dec 2015 #122

Sorry you had to go through that. christx30 Dec 2015 #126

Maybe SandersFTW Dec 2015 #128

Do you think Bernie Sanders is for open carry? Kingofalldems Dec 2015 #131

He's pandered to the gun nuts before mwrguy Dec 2015 #152

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Nothing imparts goodwill toward your fellow man/woman like a friggin gun on one's hip or tucked Hoyt Dec 2015 #129

Peace and love to you. peace13 Dec 2015 #130

I don't blame you for leaving. PADemD Dec 2015 #134

One very simple gun control law I would like to see passed RichVRichV Dec 2015 #137

I prefer open carry. bigwillq Dec 2015 #144

I know how you feel--when I saw a young man with a gun strapped to his waist in the produce niyad Dec 2015 #145

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Well, aren't you special. Glad you feel protected from the loaves of bread and such. nt Hekate Dec 2015 #154

Because people in Montana are afraid to go to Walmart without a weapon? mountain grammy Dec 2015 #158

Open carry is allowed in my state. kiva Dec 2015 #157

Agree! mountain grammy Dec 2015 #159

This is exactly the response they want. glinda Dec 2015 #162

I had a similiar feeling while traveling through Arizona...Stopped at the Gloria Dec 2015 #163

I guess it's okay zentrum Dec 2015 #164

We should all consider a civilian in public with a gun� santafe52 Dec 2015 #170

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I think he hs a good point a reasonably worded post. Whats with your anger? marble falls Dec 2015 #210

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Explain, its not the same to me. How is he so wrong? marble falls Dec 2015 #215

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Enjoy your stay. (nt) Paladin Dec 2015 #214

Oh I am sure they did and I am sure they will be back for seconds. nt cstanleytech Dec 2015 #232

In places where open carry is legal and at least not totally unheard-of... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #222

If it's holstered and the person isn't threatening anyone, 911 won't even dispatch AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #254

True in some places I've lived, too. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #256

I remember a story of a guy pushing the boundary on that a while back. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #258

And if the cops shoot and kill that person hack89 Dec 2015 #269

It is bullying behavior from the mind of ... Tortmaster Dec 2015 #171

Gosh, I Wonder Why Other Countries Think We're Freakin' Nuts? the_phantom_dennis Dec 2015 #172

Great video. Welcome to DU :) nt Electric Monk Dec 2015 #181

Thank You the_phantom_dennis Dec 2015 #186

Wonder what this gun-carrier or the store manager would say Duppers Dec 2015 #173

first I am sorry you went through this mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #176

I'm all for concealed carry and people's rights to own a gun romanic Dec 2015 #177

Really doesn't seem out of place with the scenario you have set as background Person 2713 Dec 2015 #178

Little pink weewee syndrome. Jack-o-Lantern Dec 2015 #180

Guns. The only acceptable sexist topic on DU. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #261

Umm, does that explain #188? Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #268

Holding your hand ... even from afar. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #182

Solidarity!- nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #183

I'm sorry this happened to you. deafskeptic Dec 2015 #185

For every open there are many concealed. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #187

I saw a little girl in a pinafore dress with daddy and mommy both carrying. Mommy had a pink Glock. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #188

All the better for the little girl to Bettie Dec 2015 #213

My plan, should I ever run into a kook open carrying (a kook concealed carrying if I see it) is to MillennialDem Dec 2015 #191

So you are going to tie up 911 TeddyR Dec 2015 #231

Calling in a suspicious person is not illegal. MillennialDem Dec 2015 #236

Didn't say it was illegal TeddyR Dec 2015 #277

People call in "suspicious behavior" all the time. In POC (I'm white) an unarmed black person can MillennialDem Dec 2015 #447

"Deal with it"? TeddyR Dec 2015 #456

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And if the cops overreact and end up killing the guy? hack89 Dec 2015 #301

Crikey! Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2015 #446

Why would you hang up? 7962 Dec 2015 #542

What happens when 10 open carriers start shooting at each other thinking everybody else is a bad guy UCmeNdc Dec 2015 #195

My most recent encounter with an open carry was at a Meijers store... Contrary1 Dec 2015 #196

Gosh, so how do we fit the little penis meme in this example? Elmergantry Dec 2015 #230

Touche ! Angel Martin Dec 2015 #272

It is really scary. Lunabell Dec 2015 #197

I think you handled it quite well davidpdx Dec 2015 #198

I would never go in that store again. mwb970 Dec 2015 #200

I'd have been concerned too Bettie Dec 2015 #211

A lot of delicate flowers in this world hueymahl Dec 2015 #220

Yup TeddyR Dec 2015 #318

Would your response be different if the man was a police officer? Nateforrest Dec 2015 #221

I lulz'd . enjoy your short stay KG Dec 2015 #225

Walmart doesn't allow pets or drugs in their stores d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #233

No doubt about it: the police in general are over armed and itchy trigger fingered. marble falls Dec 2015 #238

Man DashOneBravo Dec 2015 #406

I am with you Pakid Dec 2015 #223

Sympathy for your bad experience. lark Dec 2015 #224

The further from Walmart tazkcmo Dec 2015 #226

I would feel the exact same way you did in those circumstances, and northoftheborder Dec 2015 #229

I saw one once at the Nashville flea market BeyondGeography Dec 2015 #234

How about replacing guns with a thumbs up? d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #235

A very compelling example of how guns hurt freedom and happiness frizzled Dec 2015 #239

I'm in Arizona now visiting my in laws for the holiday kimbutgar Dec 2015 #240

Good for you denvine Dec 2015 #243

If I may ask, where were you stationed? If not, just tell me to mind my own beeswax :) Bubzer Dec 2015 #244

I've never tried this . . . MrModerate Dec 2015 #246

Maybe that person is going to or coming from a setting that makes more sense. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #257

I judge people with weapons based on . . . MrModerate Dec 2015 #368

Our current Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Gil Kerlikowske lost his AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #393

If open carry is legal, you're just being a jerk. Bonx Dec 2015 #270

There are all sorts of things that are legal to do . . . MrModerate Dec 2015 #369

Extremely overweight? That's a 'not a cop' qualifier? AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #248

I would worry more about thousands of incompetent idiots... roamer65 Dec 2015 #264

my concern with citizen carry - verifying competence Angel Martin Dec 2015 #276

I'm not opposed to requiring that. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #281

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Yet there are those responsible gun owners in this very thread who insist that is necessary. Squinch Dec 2015 #378

How long do you think sulphurdunn Dec 2015 #266

So many racial stereotypes, so little tolerance. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #273

I don't live in an open carry state, thank god. msrizzo Dec 2015 #279

So you are afraid? Indydem Dec 2015 #280

This is the very WHY of carrying guns in public. MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Dec 2015 #285

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Someone who needs to strap a gun on to go to the store is more likely to need a therapist. Hoyt Dec 2015 #292

No, someone that is shaken and crying from the sight of a common legal object DesMoinesDem Dec 2015 #294

Uhm, to most people, its not that common, how many people do you think own guns in this country... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #298

2/3 if you count children and felons maybe. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #302

Its 2/3rds of households, sorry I wasn't clear... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #306

Households that REPORT owning a firearm. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #315

Also, there's the reurbanization that occuring, causing real estate prices to skyrocket in certain.. Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #423

There are 80-100 million gun owners. There are about 319 million people in this Country. If you take Waldorf Dec 2015 #390

About the same percentage who are right wing racists. Truthfully, a gun or two at home for hunting Hoyt Dec 2015 #401

I've been seeing these numbers thrown about, and they seem to be a misrepresentation... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #426

I don't know, when you strap on a gun you are afraid of things with such low probability of happenin Hoyt Dec 2015 #299

If someone is so cowardly they can't go into a store DLevine Dec 2015 #303

it was too bad you needed to misrepresent what the OP said MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Dec 2015 #312

I think those who need to display guns while grocery shopping in Walmart very much should Squinch Dec 2015 #325

This hasn't happened to me yet, dgibby Dec 2015 #293

I refuse to shop at Walmart. We have other options, fortunately. I also have decided that if mnhtnbb Dec 2015 #300

I'll tell you a little story of the only time I've really seen a handgun up close... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #305

It is tempting to make a comment about how your very real fear, in some states, would entitle you crim son Dec 2015 #309

Except it wouldn't entitle you to kill TeddyR Dec 2015 #317

I've thought of testing the waters... DissidentVoice Dec 2015 #310

Not a fan of open carry TeddyR Dec 2015 #320

They are there to oppress your thoughts and ideas, they remind us all that they cannot whereisjustice Dec 2015 #323

Employees should be able to sue if they don't want to work around guns Politicalboi Dec 2015 #327

sue on what grounds? TeddyR Dec 2015 #331

For me, it would be that a store should take steps to avoid attracting those who by and large Hoyt Dec 2015 #346

Not sure why you seize on the TeddyR Dec 2015 #457

Nope, I think white wing racists are the main ones arming up in this country and into gunz. Hoyt Dec 2015 #459

Why is your photo collection segregated by race? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #486

Because those photos represent the vast majority of gun fanciers in this country, Hoyt Dec 2015 #496

Those photos represent the gun fanciers that *you choose to show* friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #524

Nope, most gun fanciers have trained with silhouette targets, are racists like Zman, choose their Hoyt Dec 2015 #525

You are free to claim that your opinion and established fact are one and the same-however... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #526

Of course you won't agree, lethal weapons are too important to you. Can't imagine life without gunz. Hoyt Dec 2015 #528

Whether I agree or not will not turn opinion into fact- and btw, I don't own a gun friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #543

In how many states have you resided, which states? Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #535

You are wrong about most belonging to militias. Most are like Zman, police and Hoyt Dec 2015 #537

In all of your posts Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #538

Most of my gun posts describe toters and folks with more than a gun or two Hoyt Dec 2015 #539

You are fooling yourself. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #541

You realize DashOneBravo Dec 2015 #529

Oh yes he is. Born right here in USA, ex-policeman, and instructor of white gun fanciers. Hoyt Dec 2015 #530

No DashOneBravo Dec 2015 #531

And what race are Arabs? Besides, he definitely caters to teaching white wing gunners to kill. Hoyt Dec 2015 #532

Evidently they are many races. DashOneBravo Dec 2015 #533

Whatever, he's made a good living pandering to white wing gun lovers. Hoyt Dec 2015 #534

Religious, like Muslims with booze. WinkyDink Dec 2015 #416

Maintenance of a hostile workplace. (nt) Paladin Dec 2015 #474

So people who are so afraid they feel they must carry a gun, Chemisse Dec 2015 #333

Please enlighten us. Indydem Dec 2015 #339

Exactly. And they insist they are rational and sensible. When the rest of us Squinch Dec 2015 #350

Eventually open carry folks will encounter good guys with guns IronLionZion Dec 2015 #334

I see a lot TeddyR Dec 2015 #337

Then you are missing the elephant in the room. Squinch Dec 2015 #377

Thanks for calling angryvet Dec 2015 #336

Numerous good post on this thread. Well worth the read. Thanks. nt ladjf Dec 2015 #352

this is nothing new bullimiami Dec 2015 #382

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I've been giving this thread more thought and the real problem is we have no way of knowing Vinca Dec 2015 #410

O.C. defenders: How do you discern intentions? Do you decide before or after you are shot? WinkyDink Dec 2015 #415

On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me: Open Carry in a Walmart! WinkyDink Dec 2015 #418

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A lot in that post. Did you do a study or something? Kingofalldems Dec 2015 #420

How did God give you that right? Did he sign the permit? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #421

Don't you remember it being carved into stone and given to Moses? icymist Dec 2015 #433

How do you know they are not out to murder everyone in sight? Vinca Dec 2015 #424

Totally different mindsets involved. Paladin Dec 2015 #425

Everybody call the police? moondust Dec 2015 #430

Or more likely TeddyR Dec 2015 #440

Except that... moondust Dec 2015 #442

The police, being more sensible people, Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2015 #449

Do terrorists and mass murderers moondust Dec 2015 #450

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most of the open carry people are just doing it for show. Most murderers don't pull their liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #438

Why did it bother you so much? Did you worry about him shooting you and the kids? Rex Dec 2015 #452

Open carry TeddyR Dec 2015 #458

And now Texas is getting ready to join the list. Rex Dec 2015 #471

And thus get ready for a lot more gun accidents of the type that gun sellers fear so much that Squinch Dec 2015 #504

Confrontation and intimidation are the goals of Open Carry Matrosov Dec 2015 #462

That photo is rapidly becoming a classic. Thanks for posting. (nt) Paladin Dec 2015 #476

Here is one from Target Matrosov Dec 2015 #483

If I walked into a restaurant and saw that skinny, little moron with his finger on the trigger - Vinca Dec 2015 #477

While I agree in general... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #481

His finger is not on the trigger. Take a second look. Nt hack89 Dec 2015 #482

Well, that sort of proves my point. Vinca Dec 2015 #487

"And somehow we're supposed to know they're the good guys." Did they shoot anyone? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #488

Now that's just crazy. Vinca Dec 2015 #489

I tend to judge people on their behavior, not their appearance friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #492

Sorry. I do not understand why my right to feel safe must be compromised Vinca Dec 2015 #494

We never will understand it, because it is irrational and quite sad really. Hoyt Dec 2015 #497

I agree open carry is not a good idea hack89 Dec 2015 #495

Correct. *This* is a what someone with their finger on the trigger looks like: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #490

Maybe they need those Desert Eagles to protect them against food poisoning. Orrex Dec 2015 #519

Yeah but ou know, those sofritos are so delicious, they're worth a little norovirus. Squinch Dec 2015 #523

Maybe he is just a guy who got tired of anti-gun hate and dick jokes... beevul Dec 2015 #502

Thereby becoming a poster boy for the anti-gun hate and dick jokes... Squinch Dec 2015 #503

Anyone remotely pro-gun is a target... beevul Dec 2015 #507

Poor you. No one understands the gunz like you do. Squinch Dec 2015 #513

Poor you. Nobody hates open carry like you do. beevul Dec 2015 #516

I have no problem with that. For the vast majority of people who do so, there is no reason Squinch Dec 2015 #517

Your understanding is not required. beevul Dec 2015 #518

Expressing my opinion is a presumption to control them? My, you ARE sensitive! Squinch Dec 2015 #520

No, forcing others to live by it is. beevul Dec 2015 #521

Poor dear, am I harshing the fun of open-carrying in Walmart for you? Squinch Dec 2015 #522

What part of... beevul Dec 2015 #536

Then he's proven their point that he's an asshole. Vinca Dec 2015 #505

And you've proven your point that you have an opinion. beevul Dec 2015 #508

You're a real card and proof positive you can't talk sense to a gun worshipper. Vinca Dec 2015 #511

Judging by the language... beevul Dec 2015 #514

Amen. Squinch Dec 2015 #515

So why not shop somewhere else next time Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #527