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149. Thank You For a Helpful Post, Sorry Your Reward was To Be Attacked for It.

Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:17 AM

Dec 2015

Thank you for this helpful article. I had no trouble all reading your writing or divining that your intended mission was to be of service. I'm astounded that some of the comments to your post could be so utterly dumb, if not downright malicious.

I'm female in my late sixties who has lived in the heart of several high crime areas in the U.S. and several foreign countries without ever encountering much trouble

Well, one day a guy did stick a gun in my belly while i was seated on a bus in Venezuela, but the guy got scared away when other passengers started screaming. Looking back, I realize that I had not been in my usually "situationally alert" mode, though luck, not good management, saved me anyway. That incident did inspire me never to wear good jewelry in public or carry much money in my bag. I designed underpants with pockets to put my "big" money and passport in to wear thereafter.

I read your article because, in my experience, it is always good to be frequently reminded of preventative measures and mentally rehearse them. So thank you for posting and linking to your original article. This can be a dangerous world, and such reminders help to keep one situationally aware. Sorry you had to be so abused in the process of providing such help. DU can get absurdly crazy sometimes.

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Women�s Self Defense Against Sexual Assault [View all] CajunBlazer Dec 2015 OP

Yes, it's important to remember when an attack is the victim's fault. Orrex Dec 2015 #1

You obviously didn't read the article are that would not be your reaction. CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #5

Perhaps you should realize that I'm not the only one who reacted that way Orrex Dec 2015 #10

Again, these are notes for a women's self defense class I teach CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #41

It's interesting that you claim to value women in personal and professional roles, but... Orrex Dec 2015 #80

Perhaps you didn't. Warpy Dec 2015 #146

They don't teach that. lovemydog Dec 2015 #129

"Don't go out in public with those breast-things of yours, men just can't help themselves" Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #2

Class on Situational Awareness: #1 Put your phone away NightWatcher Dec 2015 #3

Great point. lovemydog Dec 2015 #136

I thought peeing on themselves was the latest defense? ileus Dec 2015 #4

If you think this article is about blaming women for sexual assults - you haven't read the article CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #6

I've found that if more people infer my point differently than I intended LanternWaste Dec 2015 #8

Sometimes. lovemydog Dec 2015 #138

No, it may not have been the intent of the article etherealtruth Dec 2015 #9

Did you read the article? CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #11

Why don't you post the article? Orrex Dec 2015 #12

It is very long, and if it prevents one assult or allows some one to fight off an assult - CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #16

Regardless of the reaction you think you deserve... Orrex Dec 2015 #21

Please understand that, as stated the article consist of my notes which I used to teach... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #23

First you blame the victim, and now you blame the reader Orrex Dec 2015 #25

Look if you don't like the article - press on with something else .... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #36

You have no future as a writer Orrex Dec 2015 #78

Yes ... it may not have been the intent, but the onus is placed on the woman (victim) etherealtruth Dec 2015 #13

It also assumes that women are really, really stupid. Squinch Dec 2015 #44

To be fair, it's harder to take steps to make somebody not be a rapist mythology Dec 2015 #50

Extremely well stated! (n/t) CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #52

The article wouldn't have this reception had it been about avoiding assaults. Gormy Cuss Dec 2015 #58

I Find It Depressing That I Agree With Your Second Paragraph ProfessorGAC Dec 2015 #60

Don�t put your self in the position of being attacked in the first place. etherealtruth Dec 2015 #7

I think you have a problem where your assume intent when there is none. CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #14

I understand that ... I fully believe that it may not be the intent of the article etherealtruth Dec 2015 #18

You do understand that a person's perceptions of the situations they encouter... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #26

You have chosen to squander an opportunity to learn etherealtruth Dec 2015 #28

^^That. All of that. Orrex Dec 2015 #29

Okay, let me get this staight.... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #34

Just stop and walk away... your arms must be getting tired. demmiblue Dec 2015 #35

You're a great writer whom nobody understands CreekDog Dec 2015 #84

. Orrex Dec 2015 #113

You appear to have a very poor understanding of when and how rape happens in the real world. LeftyMom Dec 2015 #15

Really, then why does the article say that a woman is most likely to be attacked by someone... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #19

Your introductory scenario is bad television. LeftyMom Dec 2015 #20

Please understand that these are notes I used to teach a women's self defense course... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #27

And now you're using sexist slurs when women disagree with you. LeftyMom Dec 2015 #30

Great reply Blecht Dec 2015 #43

so in a thread you started about women protecting themselves against sexual assault CreekDog Dec 2015 #89

"...to someone who is blissfully unaware that she could be a victim." demmiblue Dec 2015 #17

Women are always aware we could be a victim. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #22

+1,000000000 etherealtruth Dec 2015 #24

I second that emotion. nt raccoon Dec 2015 #73

I have twenty five years of martial arts experience CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #31

How many times have you heard of women being attacked because they HABITUALLY Squinch Dec 2015 #40

You obviously haven't been watching many young people here lately CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #47

So, never. Squinch Dec 2015 #48

You don't have to be totally absorbed in your phone... one_voice Dec 2015 #147

Amazing, since you were all about "Poor guy, the girl hit him first" a little earlier this year Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #42

" people can get over what ever personal problems they have with the article .." Gormy Cuss Dec 2015 #45

You got that right. raccoon Dec 2015 #92

BOOM Orrex Dec 2015 #114

+1 Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #148

Bam. Brickbat Dec 2015 #39

It seems women should be acting Rex Dec 2015 #69

when you start off with this mercuryblues Dec 2015 #32

Oooh ooh! I know the answer!!! Squinch Dec 2015 #37

I read the entire article justiceischeap Dec 2015 #33

Thanks for your intellegent and thoughtful comments. (n/t) CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #38

It appears that you were blissfully ignorant that you could be disagreed with for this. Squinch Dec 2015 #46

I liked being blissfully unaware that some of my fellow DU users are so easily offended. CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #49

Gosh. We all just refuse to learn from your superior knowledge, don't we? You're probably Squinch Dec 2015 #51

I'm a little slow apparently - I should have seen much earlier that you.... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #53

Not slow. I would say just blissfully ignorant. Like all them gals in high heels on the Squinch Dec 2015 #55

Smallish female here...and unoffended. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Gormy Cuss Dec 2015 #56

Some here think self-defense takes responsibility away from the attacker davidn3600 Dec 2015 #61

Read the advice he is giving. Do you really think that women are doing the things he Squinch Dec 2015 #62

What specifically leads you to believe "some here" are living in fantasies? LanternWaste Dec 2015 #65

I think "some here" willfully misinterpret what is being said about teaching men not to rape justiceischeap Dec 2015 #79

True. You can't teach a rapist not to rape. They're rapists. Oneironaut Dec 2015 #150

I read the post twice. I can find nothing that remotely suggests that the victim is to blame. guillaumeb Dec 2015 #57

It suggests that a reasonable scenario leading to a woman being raped Squinch Dec 2015 #63

Also part of the article was a discussion of how people can guillaumeb Dec 2015 #64

When you develop a routine, do you ever develop a routine that would be obviously dangerous Squinch Dec 2015 #68

When you write about "obviously dangerous" routines, guillaumeb Dec 2015 #93

Do you see a lot of what the poster describes: women in high Squinch Dec 2015 #95

Then we must leave it at that. guillaumeb Dec 2015 #97

Where do you get paternalism? Squinch Dec 2015 #101

What if I like the feeling I get when I put a fork in the outlet? guillaumeb Dec 2015 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Dec 2015 #135

OK, I made a bad attempt at humor there, but self deleted because it didn't work. Squinch Dec 2015 #137

We all develop rountines that are potentially dangerous, no one is immune CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #96

None of which is what you described as what women do to make themselves vulnerable Squinch Dec 2015 #98

Cajun, you will have a difficult time talking about self-defense in DU. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #59

Yep, I can see that now, but .... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #72

It's not the form of SD. It's self-defense period. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #74

Well, you often can't blame people for a lack of understanding of things... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #81

you're saying that dozens of people who read your own writing misunderstood CreekDog Dec 2015 #105

Go count the individuals, not the number of their posts, who complaining again CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #109

Yes, that is exactly what he is saying. Squinch Dec 2015 #139

Perhaps posting in the Women's World Group LiberalElite Dec 2015 #145

apparently you think a discussion of guns is what's missing from this thread CreekDog Dec 2015 #104

Actually, You brought up guns. So it surely qualifies for GD, right? Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #107

We have mandatory sexual assault prevention training at work madville Dec 2015 #66

We do, too .... etherealtruth Dec 2015 #121

Looks like the master is getting schooled in DU 101. Rex Dec 2015 #67

I think that would be DU 101, real life isn't like this CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #76

Whoops, my mistake yeah I meant DU 101. Rex Dec 2015 #77

Yea, I've read some of your other posts... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #83

I knew as soon as I read the title Rex Dec 2015 #91

+1. DU is a message board that thinks it's not. closeupready Dec 2015 #111

I saw this thread going this way as soon as I read the title. Inkfreak Dec 2015 #70

I taught Karate for about 8 years and I hope someday to make time for that again CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #87

Hey...it's Steven Seagal. nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #71

You would never mistake me for Steven Seagal CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #75

All this thread needs now is a door buzzard. Orrex Dec 2015 #82

As you wish sarisataka Dec 2015 #85

A for effort... sarisataka Dec 2015 #86

I see your Marine Corp emblem CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #88

These days I'm a PFC sarisataka Dec 2015 #90

I was an Air Force officer myself CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #100

and you used the word b-word three times in this thread (you used the actual word) CreekDog Dec 2015 #102

First of all I don't think you meant to post this on this sub-thread CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #110

I posted it in the place I intended CreekDog Dec 2015 #116

Step 1: stop teaching men that rape is OK mwrguy Dec 2015 #94

lol - Exhibit A evidencing the foolishness of wading into gender issues closeupready Dec 2015 #99

I'm an middle aged guy and this article is just good advice. FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #106

There is among some here a hostility toward self-defense in general. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #108

No there isn't. There's a hostility towards suggesting that self defense can prevent all rapes CreekDog Dec 2015 #115

Wow! Cajun said SD could defend all rapes?? Problem solved! Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #118

Some are afraid sarisataka Dec 2015 #117

Results... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #112

I think it's the high heels thing... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #119

There's a lot to be said for a good pair of steel-toes Major Nikon Dec 2015 #120

Side benefit: Someone tries to stomp your foot. NT Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #152

The term "bitch" or "bitching" to describe criticism is derived from a sexist slur. LexVegas Dec 2015 #122

"see if you can determine what this women is doing wrong" beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #123

Well, it's been a real education CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #124

You haven't learned how to take responsibility, that much is clear Orrex Dec 2015 #125

And you are an athortity on this? Or you just defending your position yet again? CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #126

I can handle criticism of my writing, and I can admit error when I'm wrong. Orrex Dec 2015 #127

I don't tout this as my best work by any means; CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #130

My writing is not at issue here, but if you search DU, you'll find samples. Orrex Dec 2015 #140

What I have notice is that we both have trouble with continuing to argue long after... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #143

I've given you my frank appraisal, and still you attack. Orrex Dec 2015 #144

"Regards of your good intentions, you can be sure someone will find a way to be offended." Oneironaut Dec 2015 #151

K & R lovemydog Dec 2015 #128

On this we can certainly agree CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #132

Definitely. lovemydog Dec 2015 #134

I was trained and taught defenses against a knive and a gun, but... CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #142

CajunBlazer, I'm sorry you're being met lovemydog Dec 2015 #131

Thanks much for the kiind words. Happy New year to you as well! (n/t) CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #133

Sad to see good advice being met with so much hostility. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #141

Thank You For a Helpful Post, Sorry Your Reward was To Be Attacked for It. Justina For Justice Dec 2015 #149