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morningfog

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Thu May 31, 2012, 02:06 PM May 2012

Is Obama's Drone Doctrine Counter-Productive? (Is Drone Warfare "The Obama Doctrine"?) [View all]


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Obama's drone doctrine

In reality, I cannot believe that as many officials spoke as freely as they apparently did without being given the presidential green light.

At a time when Republicans want to paint Mr Obama as a ditherer, unwilling to take firm action, it paints him as tough and strong, willing to take hard decisions and kill America's enemies.

But this goes beyond political spin. It is a doctrine of warfare.

We have known for a while that drones are the president's weapon of choice.

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There are plenty of blogs which say that drone attacks are murder, plain and simple. Others argue that they are illegal under international law.

But some say they simply do not have the desired result. Gregory Johnsen of Princeton University is an expert on Yemen and he told me that the rain of drone attacks has strengthened the hand of terrorists there.

"Look at Yemen on Christmas Day 2009, the day the so-called underwear bomber attempted to bring down a flight over Detroit.

"On that day al-Qaeda numbered about 200 to 300 individuals and they controlled no territory. Now today, two-and-a-half years later, despite all the drone strikes al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula has tripled in size, it's now around 1,000 members and it controls significant territory.

"The more the US bombs, the more they grow."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18270490
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And how do we not know the invasion in itself of the Middle East caused al-Qaeda to grow? Life Long Dem May 2012 #1
The two aren't mutually exclusive. They are but two tactics of the same policy. morningfog May 2012 #2
I also heard Life Long Dem May 2012 #3
By the way Life Long Dem May 2012 #7
What is meaningful is that from 2009 until 2012 AQ has increased in Yemen. Obama's drone doctrine morningfog May 2012 #8
AQ has been increasing since the Bush administration started the two wars. Life Long Dem May 2012 #9
What? Bush seriously fucked up, I have never denied that. morningfog May 2012 #10
Still, it's the Middle East. Life Long Dem May 2012 #12
Not the same AQs. All different organizations. morningfog May 2012 #14
Just the AQ that makes Obama look bad Life Long Dem May 2012 #15
No. Jesus. I am not going to educate you. morningfog May 2012 #16
Bush is a moron. Always has been, always will be, so it is expected for him to make the worst Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #4
You're assuming putting one elected guy on top of Godzilla... JackRiddler May 2012 #6
You're right, but not really. It comes down to will, the President's will in this case. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #18
Oh I agree that a principled, strong, public stand by a president could make a difference... JackRiddler Jun 2012 #19
That's exactly what I mean. Your supposition, and I agree with it, places reelection above Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #21
I don't believe it's counter productive Life Long Dem May 2012 #13
Your belief aside, this tactic has never worked except for a very brief time Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #17
The Bush/Obama distinction may not be productive cbrer May 2012 #5
I think the result is exactly what's desired.. Fumesucker May 2012 #11
Terrorism isn't supposed to win hearts and minds - it's supposed to break spirits. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #20
In Yemen, U.S. airstrikes breed anger, and sympathy for al-Qaeda morningfog Jun 2012 #22
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