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ProgressiveProfessor

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86. Tennessee units adopted it later, as did others. Sometime square, sometime in part or whole

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 12:01 AM

Jun 2012

And the battle flag was incorporated into both the Stainless and Bloodstained Banner.

On DU2 I wrote about a controversy at a local school where the Georgia state flag, which bears a strong resemblance to the real stars and bars was on a students car and it caused no end of hate and discontent.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HardcoreProgressive/8

I still maintain that the best way to manage the "good ole boys heritage" argument is ridicule, not poutrage. Laugh at them, ostracize them, demean them, just don't argue and therefore legitimize them.

Also consider this...if we allow those who are offended to have what offends them removed from public view, what about the rainbow flag or the pan African flags or symbols? If we take a social (vice formal) approach to express disapproval, it will be much more effective with no 1st Amendment issues.

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Why is it we allow people to fly the Confedrerate Flag? [View all] dballance May 2012 OP

Freedom of expression no matter how distasteful the message. n/t cynatnite May 2012 #1

It's not freedom of expression if it uses public funding! DontTreadOnMe May 2012 #3

Are you talking about state flags? cynatnite May 2012 #7

Go for it. Lots of Dixie folk don't virgogal May 2012 #8

Dixie folk here. Married to a Boston boy. Fawke Em Jun 2012 #92

Not exactly a stereotype, in my recent experience. Adsos Letter Jun 2012 #116

Interesting take on what constitutes freedom of expression onenote May 2012 #17

This again? RZM May 2012 #2

Yes this again, the enslavement of an entire race of people is worth discussing just1voice Jun 2012 #105

This isn't a discussion about slavery RZM Jun 2012 #113

They have the right to fly it... I have the right to desecrate it! backscatter712 May 2012 #4

I'm right with you. GoneOffShore May 2012 #69

You don't have a right to vandalize someone's property because their opinions are offensive. DavidDvorkin May 2012 #73

If I buy my own confederate flag, I can burn it, piss on it, do whatever I want to disrespect it. nt backscatter712 May 2012 #74

Of course, if it's your property. DavidDvorkin May 2012 #76

gosh H2O Man May 2012 #5

that 1st amendment is a pesky little thing, isn't it? cali May 2012 #6

Try using your first amendment rights to advocate for Al qaeda or fly their flag Bandit May 2012 #35

Your First amendment? former9thward May 2012 #39

does Al qaeda have a flag? cali May 2012 #56

Yup, and Al Qaeda killed a lot FEWER Americans than the Confederates did. Zalatix May 2012 #84

You could. You would attract attention, but would not be arrested until treestar Jun 2012 #103

Probably gets you put under surveillance by the FBI, but it isn't a crime by itself Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #129

Yes, cali, always has been. elleng Jun 2012 #94

well, it IS another country's flag JitterbugPerfume May 2012 #9

That was sort of the basis for argument. The U.S. maintained that the Confederacy was not razorman May 2012 #15

you are right razorman , it was to preserve the union JitterbugPerfume May 2012 #26

Agreed. The Confederacy considered themselves legitimate. The U.S. did not. Both sides each razorman Jun 2012 #96

Um, first amendment much? XemaSab May 2012 #10

It's not just the GOP. The old southern Democrats loved the reb flag. virgogal May 2012 #11

Yes, it's a symbol of revolt and revolution Cali_Democrat May 2012 #12

Why ban it? It is really convenient when idiots self-identify alphafemale May 2012 #13

That pesky first amendment. MrSlayer May 2012 #14

Constitution. Iggo May 2012 #16

you are equating the nazi flag to the confederate flag? DrDan May 2012 #18

I'd say it's a pretty good comparison Cali_Democrat May 2012 #19

You think the north has never been racist? XemaSab May 2012 #21

No Cali_Democrat May 2012 #24

The Union outlawed slavery. The Confederacy fought for it. Zalatix May 2012 #85

The union outlawed slavery to kneecap the southern economy. It was extremely strategic. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #121

I know that, but it still doesn't make the North the same as the South. Zalatix Jun 2012 #132

It's a good thing the United States was never racist nor started wars of aggression. Uncle Joe May 2012 #22

Perfect response! H2O Man May 2012 #23

You could say the same thing about many other states RZM May 2012 #25

"You could say the same thing about many other states" Cali_Democrat May 2012 #27

So then why not compare the Confederacy to the North? n/t RZM May 2012 #29

Because the post I responded to only mentioned the confederacy Cali_Democrat May 2012 #31

Yes RZM May 2012 #33

Sorry Cali_Democrat May 2012 #34

What are you doing playing on the Intertubes at work? snooper2 May 2012 #37

Nazism was for all practical purposes the continuation of the logic of colonialism. Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #59

That's only partly true RZM May 2012 #65

I agree with you that colonialism was a complex phenomenon, but what about say the Vichy government Puregonzo1188 Jun 2012 #109

Both of those examples were outside of my framework RZM Jun 2012 #115

racist nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy, elleng Jun 2012 #95

In the South, the Civil War is referred to as the "Northern" War of Aggression. bluedigger May 2012 #82

The North started the war Ter Jun 2012 #120

I'll make that comparison! backscatter712 May 2012 #52

I fervently wish that that was all the Nazis did (nt) Nye Bevan May 2012 #54

I think the word Holocaust pretty aptly describes chattel slavery. Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #60

Google "Andersonville Prison" baldguy May 2012 #58

The Nazis had numerous technological innovations and changed the map of Europe... Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #98

Why not? treestar Jun 2012 #104

the real issue is that there are idiots that see no difference between the nazis and confederates DrDan Jun 2012 #106

Oh please. Both the Nazis and Confederates committed unspeakable atrocities. backscatter712 Jun 2012 #114

oh please - not comparable at all DrDan Jun 2012 #117

Of course they can be compared treestar Jun 2012 #123

Of course there is a difference treestar Jun 2012 #122

as are there similarities with any other nation/group DrDan Jun 2012 #124

I worked for a while at a North Georgia flea market RebelOne May 2012 #20

Our own flag is the ultimate symbol of revolt and revolution slackmaster May 2012 #28

The California flag says "California Republic" on it XemaSab May 2012 #32

I've always wondered about the wording on the California flag Art_from_Ark May 2012 #47

For two years we were a republic XemaSab May 2012 #66

Doing a little checking, Art_from_Ark May 2012 #70

2 years, 3 weeks... same dif XemaSab May 2012 #71

because Reconstruction didn't go far enough? BOG PERSON May 2012 #30

Darn that 1st Amendment! Johnny Rico May 2012 #36

No different than a flag that says "I'M A STUPID DOUCHEBAG" - both get the message across. HopeHoops May 2012 #38

The convoluted thinking to defend a racist rebel flag is a thing of wonder. RC May 2012 #40

No it isn't. The OP is talking about 'people,' not 'states' RZM May 2012 #42

There is a HUGE difference between flying a flag on a government building vs an individual flying it slackmaster May 2012 #43

Which states have laws against display the Confederate flag ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #45

I've seen the claim that there is a federal law banning the display of the confederate flag onenote Jun 2012 #126

I don't like the confederate flag. It is a reminder of the treason of the South. What really libinnyandia May 2012 #41

When my son first moved to the south 15 years ago... Speck Tater May 2012 #44

I am not really sure I see your connection to the Middle East. Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #61

Ancient history used to justify modern hatred. Speck Tater Jun 2012 #88

You really don't know much about the modern middle east do? The problem isn't some orientalist Puregonzo1188 Jun 2012 #90

Which flag? ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #46

You mean the Confederate battle flag? Art_from_Ark May 2012 #67

No, the 2nd Confederate Navy Jack ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #75

But in your link, the 2nd Navy Jack was also the Battle Flag of Tennessee and other states Art_from_Ark May 2012 #80

Tennessee units adopted it later, as did others. Sometime square, sometime in part or whole ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #86

Exactly RZM Jun 2012 #87

I thought what was commonly called the Cpnfederate Flag was the... white_wolf May 2012 #72

The Battle Flag was square, the Naval Jack rectangular ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #77

For the same reason we let people believe in the supernatural. cleanhippie May 2012 #48

They aren't "allowed" to, they are free to do so. Throd May 2012 #49

The main reason people fly that flag is.. MicaelS May 2012 #50

The same reason we 'allow' people to choose their own religion. X_Digger May 2012 #51

It's called living in a free country. badtoworse May 2012 #53

Anyone who flies that flag is supporting TREASON. Odin2005 May 2012 #55

It's treason, then RZM May 2012 #62

Please define "TREASON" and explain why flying the flag of a defunct former enemy qualifies. slackmaster May 2012 #78

The First Amendment. The same reason people get to burn American flags or wave Viet Cong flags. Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #57

For the same reason you can stick a crucifix in piss and put it in a museum Burma Jones May 2012 #63

"Confedrerate" should actually be "Confederate." Beyond referring you to the 1st amendment, that's apocalypsehow May 2012 #64

Rebel losers have the right to fly the confederate rag....flag Dawson Leery May 2012 #68

. Go Vols May 2012 #79

Please read the first amendment. YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #81

It's good to see DU standing up for the first amendment RZM May 2012 #83

It would be nice to get rid of the confederate flag Happydayz Jun 2012 #89

if you where to ban a flag based on history Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #91

+1 Go Vols Jun 2012 #101

exactly Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #133

Agreed, it's hate speech and defamation that slanders groups and our government just1voice Jun 2012 #93

If someone writes a book that casts the Confederacy in a positive light onenote Jun 2012 #127

Because we value free speech? nt hack89 Jun 2012 #97

Do you mean the "Fuck Brown v. The Board of Education Flag"? Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #99

why is it du is allowed to exist? why can foxnews lie about 'news'.....1st amendment spanone Jun 2012 #100

it's good of them to flag where they are bigtree Jun 2012 #102

Freedom of Speech BlueDemKev Jun 2012 #107

The Treasonous Flag should be outlawed! B Calm Jun 2012 #108

Care to back that up with a reasoned defense of your position? onenote Jun 2012 #128

WHARRGARBL!!!! Codeine Jun 2012 #130

could the brittish take the same view and the continued separation day on the 4th July Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #134

Why? kctim Jun 2012 #110

First Amendment? NeedleCast Jun 2012 #111

because we have a right to free expression in the US librechik Jun 2012 #112

Army of Tennessee flag is the only variant I see much of One_Life_To_Give Jun 2012 #118

I see the Army of Tennessee flag here daily,seldom any of the others. Go Vols Jun 2012 #119

How do you know its not the 2nd Naval Jack instead? ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #125

We on the coasts are liberul One_Life_To_Give Jun 2012 #131

If flying the Confederate Flag is not racist as some claim dinopipie Jun 2012 #135