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Lizzie Poppet

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88. "Any good reason not to arrest them?"

Sun Jan 10, 2016, 12:37 PM

Jan 2016

Yes: avoiding bloodshed. Apparently both local law enforcement and the FBI personnel on the scene believe that this situation can be resolved without anyone having to die. Allowing them to disperse back to their home states and subsequently arresting them back where they live also has the advantage of them not bring in a large, heavily-armed group when you do so.

I have no problem with waiting them out.

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Am I the only one who does not understand why none of these idiots are being arrested? [View all] Logical Jan 2016 OP

No, you're not. stage left Jan 2016 #1

+1 daleanime Jan 2016 #25

Because they have guns too! Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #54

No I don't wonder why they aren't being arrested Kalidurga Jan 2016 #2

Here's why: At this point these guys don't pose a danger. Escalating the situation won't escalate underahedgerow Jan 2016 #50

Armed men actively breaking the law are not a danger CanonRay Jan 2016 #56

Who are they endangering? They're alone, in the effing wilderness, miles from anyone. underahedgerow Jan 2016 #59

Apparently the school district thinks they are a danger CanonRay Jan 2016 #63

Which is an excess of caution on their part... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #89

Yes one where the RWing ammo lovers can drive in and out without a care in the world Rex Jan 2016 #93

They need to cut off all access, like yesterday. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #99

That has my mind boggled, why would you not secure the area? Rex Jan 2016 #100

What about them breaking into employee lockers and accessing government computers as doc03 Jan 2016 #78

And if they were Black they would all be dead or in jail by now. randys1 Jan 2016 #101

The FBI is in charge at the scene. That means the DOJ. That means Obama. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #107

Yep. If they were Native Americans, they would have been hauled out in chains. ladyVet Jan 2016 #147

Have you read about them accessing the computers there, which hold private information? uppityperson Jan 2016 #120

And? Sorry, it's not a big deal, other than their own liability for further criminal charges. underahedgerow Jan 2016 #128

Stealing privileged information is "not a big deal"? And the old "if they'd wanted to be safe, uppityperson Jan 2016 #130

Um these guys couldn't pack enough snacks and socks. What are they going to do with underahedgerow Jan 2016 #134

Dichotomous thinking. eom uppityperson Jan 2016 #136

It's LOGICAL thinking. It's not knee jerk reaction, it's thinking about what the actual, genuine underahedgerow Jan 2016 #145

They're endangering the rule of law meow2u3 Jan 2016 #131

Who says to let them get away with it? It took years to put OJ Simpson in jail, ultimately for underahedgerow Jan 2016 #144

tell that to the school system that is shut down right now dsc Jan 2016 #58

Meh, the command center can be moved to a mobile home, which will probably happen underahedgerow Jan 2016 #64

Yep! dgibby Jan 2016 #79

They'll be prosecuted...like Cliven Bundy was? truebluegreen Jan 2016 #181

Or executed extra-judicially - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #65

That is one big part of it. RWing angry white types with guns get a free pass. Rex Jan 2016 #95

selective justice. spanone Jan 2016 #3

The difference is they are armed passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #15

People who are armed or who the police assumed to be armed Chakab Jan 2016 #24

Some LEOs already did get killed. Two of Clive Bundy's posse murdered a couple of tblue37 Jan 2016 #118

They are armed and white. rusty quoin Jan 2016 #28

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #74

Too true. Rex Jan 2016 #96

And they are setting up armed roadblock checkpoints on public roads. Jeezus. cheapdate Jan 2016 #4

So true, this is almost unbelievable to me. Imagine if BLM tried this ANYWHERE! Peacefully! nt Logical Jan 2016 #5

Come here and find out. But don't expect a free ranch. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #6

That is true! nt Logical Jan 2016 #7

My guess is Egnever Jan 2016 #8

So just let this go on forever, let them resupply forever? Sounds like a great plan. nt Logical Jan 2016 #10

Gotta love that american instant gratification Egnever Jan 2016 #71

LOL, so at some point you change your plan? Brilliant! nt Logical Jan 2016 #73

What makes you think it is my plan? Egnever Jan 2016 #75

Definitely need to cut off resupply. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #91

They can't last that long. Everyone will get bored and drunk, tensions will rise when they see that underahedgerow Jan 2016 #108

they are supposedly setting up 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #17

bully for them Egnever Jan 2016 #72

Becuase they are attracting other clowns to their circus rpannier Jan 2016 #19

You have the perfect public reaction underthematrix Jan 2016 #40

Sounds like a great way to gather the malcontents in one spot where they can't hurt anyone Egnever Jan 2016 #70

Or where they are easily rounded up for arrest? csziggy Jan 2016 #135

Meh, Fort Sumter is just a tiny little fort in Charleston Harbor incapable of defending anything or KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #66

If these idiots want to create a little slice of dumbfuckistan in the middle of no where Egnever Jan 2016 #69

Exactly. They are looking more and more idiotic by the day. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #82

Can we at least keep them fenced in? - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #87

That "little slice" is FEDERAL LAND. This is about what the United States is as a country. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #110

The Government is acting as if it wants this to turn into another INdemo Jan 2016 #9

I disagree. I believe law enforcement is attempting to prevent another Waco or Ruby Ridge. branford Jan 2016 #33

Agree 100% Quixote1818 Jan 2016 #36

No one of significance is currently supporting these idiots, branford Jan 2016 #39

What's your position if one of the armed racist militia types draws down on a federal agent like at Hoyt Jan 2016 #42

If they actually, legitimately endanger someone, branford Jan 2016 #47

Several of the Bundy gang aimed guns at federal agents during the Bundy Ranch standoff peacebird Jan 2016 #55

Its kind of hard to make that claim that without looking through their scopes/sights. beevul Jan 2016 #109

Pointing a gun at federal agents and threatening them IS aiming a gun at them peacebird Jan 2016 #113

I'm not sure what the law actually says. beevul Jan 2016 #117

In most states you don't have to point the weapon Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #142

I totally agree. underthematrix Jan 2016 #43

They neither harmed nor directly threatened anyone, PADemD Jan 2016 #48

They've harmed everyone who might want to visit the refuge. AZCat Jan 2016 #119

Of course, they've harmed everyone. PADemD Jan 2016 #121

Ah, apologies. AZCat Jan 2016 #124

They've accessed government computers/info, they are vagrants and who exactly KittyWampus Jan 2016 #112

A LOT of people here on DU have demanded raids or worse. branford Jan 2016 #125

What IS it with dichotomous thinking? Either leave them alone or go in guns ablazing? uppityperson Jan 2016 #132

Few people are suggesting doing nothing, and a lot of people do view the matter in a binary fashion. branford Jan 2016 #140

They could have arrested Koresh when he was in town. Instead, they hit the compound. ieoeja Jan 2016 #183

By not confronting them and opening fire on them? underthematrix Jan 2016 #41

More like they are scared of that treestar Jan 2016 #103

If you read about Germany in the 30s, you'll find that most laws against Doctor_J Jan 2016 #11

Yes. You are right. They hit the left hard rusty quoin Jan 2016 #32

Here! pacalo Jan 2016 #12

I'm taking that, OK? bvf Jan 2016 #20

You're very welcome to it, bvf. pacalo Jan 2016 #29

Thank you. bvf Jan 2016 #37

... And why it is dominating the news cycle... oh, the Kardashians must be on a break... Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #13

So true! Or Trump! nt Logical Jan 2016 #14

The short answer is that people are interested in it NobodyHere Jan 2016 #22

Right. It's as if it has some credibility and meaning beyond what it actually is. Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #83

Beats talking about TTP. Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #23

I've actually only seen it mentioned here and there on CNN. cwydro Jan 2016 #53

There isn't much reporting on what's most meaningful ... mostly a quest for the juicy instead. Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #84

Most of the coverage I've seen involves mockage. More mockage is needed. nt uppityperson Jan 2016 #123

You do have a point there. Still, much more important "news" should be receiving coverage. Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #133

I agree. It's nice to have wall to wall mockage vs FEAR but there are other news, more important. nt uppityperson Jan 2016 #137

I wondered for a while Bettie Jan 2016 #16

It's for the birds. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #18

No. You are not alone. Mad as hell. 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #21

Me, too. This is a fed protected wildlife refuge taken over by a bunch wordpix Jan 2016 #158

"Any good reason not to arrest them?" demwing Jan 2016 #26

They have guns so are under the protection of the NRA. Kablooie Jan 2016 #27

White privaledge... Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #30

You are correct. I could have never imagined how far white privilege would go back in the 80s rusty quoin Jan 2016 #35

I'm with you. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #31

We're supposed to see Bettie Jan 2016 #68

The bias is obvious. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #34

It's not illegal to open carry in Oregon. Sam_Fields Jan 2016 #38

If I did that with a local park office I guarantee I would be arrested. nt Logical Jan 2016 #61

a local park is a lot different than a place hundreds of miles from any significant town Egnever Jan 2016 #76

Favoritism our Federal Gov. DOI/BLM has given these welfare ranchers has brought us to this day. Sunlei Jan 2016 #44

Feds may fear the clowns are prepared to resist to the death. (Just not without warm socks.) merrily Jan 2016 #45

No Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #46

There was an armed takeover at a reservation near where I lived some years ago Kaleva Jan 2016 #49

Interesting, I guess maybe this is not that unusual then. nt Logical Jan 2016 #62

Oregon standoff: As more armed men arrive, should authorities close the road? pinboy3niner Jan 2016 #51

Do you suppose they're trying to lure them in? Vinca Jan 2016 #52

I doubt it pinboy3niner Jan 2016 #67

Sadly, yes. krispos42 Jan 2016 #57

That is getting to be apparent. nt Logical Jan 2016 #60

And then there is that damnable problem, reality, which is complex and nuanced and external and real L. Coyote Jan 2016 #77

At a certain point, feds were prepared and did arrest those who wordpix Jan 2016 #161

It is now very apparent this is an organized political stunt with lots of Republicans involved. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #170

Did not expect Obama And Lynch to be so blatant about it. Nt hack89 Jan 2016 #141

I Didn'r Expect Such Mollycoddling Vogon_Glory Jan 2016 #80

Why has the damned power not been cut stage left Jan 2016 #81

I agree! nt Logical Jan 2016 #86

Good question. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #98

To keep the office computers live so their communications can be monitored... same for mobile underahedgerow Jan 2016 #111

Ok stage left Jan 2016 #148

More people in the house, more charges, more jail time, penalties, tax liabilities, whatever.... underahedgerow Jan 2016 #156

No speculation, if not white they would all be at a minimum in jail or dead. Period... but I randys1 Jan 2016 #177

Agreed. stage left Jan 2016 #179

I would be completely cool stage left Jan 2016 #178

If the media would go away, I don't care if they sit there freezing their butts until OregonBlue Jan 2016 #85

"Any good reason not to arrest them?" Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #88

Yes, but will that happen? AZCat Jan 2016 #90

No...and I think there's been a lesson learned from that. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #92

I understand these situations are volatile. AZCat Jan 2016 #97

I see some here have decided laws are conditional, good to know. Rex Jan 2016 #94

Only if ya got one of these... countryjake Jan 2016 #104

I just need to grow out my beard and go waste a few thousand on some death candy Rex Jan 2016 #105

If they go into town they should be arrested treestar Jan 2016 #102

My thoughts on the subject. Half-Century Man Jan 2016 #106

Very nice post. It deserves it's own thread. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #114

I'd guess the Mining and Energy industries. Half-Century Man Jan 2016 #116

"Wise Use" foot soldiers/corporations... countryjake Jan 2016 #126

Wise Use has always had an odd definition of the word wise... haele Jan 2016 #174

To a capitalist it is wise, reap all individual profits possible, community be damned. countryjake Jan 2016 #180

This isn't hard. A credible threat of force has been established... beevul Jan 2016 #115

I thought I might have been missing something. lpbk2713 Jan 2016 #122

Which line of the OP could not apply to the Occupy movement? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2016 #127

LOL, Guns and a actual building! So you are saying if OWS would of occupied an actual.... Logical Jan 2016 #138

Your senario would have affected thousands of people Calista241 Jan 2016 #149

It's "would have" or "would've" ... not "would of". nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #150

How adorable! Nt Logical Jan 2016 #151

It was adorable that you did it twice in the same post. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #152

Ahhh, so cute! I love grammar whiners! Here is a...... Logical Jan 2016 #153

Hate me all you want. I let most grammars mistakes slide right on by. Hell, I make... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #154

I hop somday 2 b as smartt and sucesful as u Logical Jan 2016 #155

I get called on my mistakes, too... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #157

Explain this word "hug" please Logical Jan 2016 #159

It's where I take my two arms, encircling you and pulling you to me, until our cheeks are... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #160

Wow, are you smart! I really feel stupid now. And i will reread your post history to try harder.... Logical Jan 2016 #162

You're very gracious. Thank you. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #163

Sure, i hope you got your little superiority bump! nt Logical Jan 2016 #165

Well, it is comparable to a section of water main, so there's that. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #166

I dont understand thst sentence can you xplsin it? Logical Jan 2016 #167

... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #168

Still not sure Logical Jan 2016 #169

Occupy wasnt a heavily armed camp taking over fed protected land wordpix Jan 2016 #164

Occupy was the same, and arguably legally worse. branford Jan 2016 #184

I'm begining to suspect they have friends in high places (FBI?) protecting them. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #129

Have you heard of these guys? L. Coyote Jan 2016 #171

You are not Gawdless Pinko Lib Jan 2016 #139

If we can kill a dude reselling cigs and a 12 year old kid.... JEB Jan 2016 #143

Federal law enforcement learned from similar encounters and now takes a laid back approach. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #173

Avoid a civil war? moondust Jan 2016 #146

They get the kid gloves treatment Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #172

You're not alone, no. But that doesn't make you right. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #175

I hope you are right! nt Logical Jan 2016 #182

I really think they want a war. Best to sit it out, then round them up one at a time. B Calm Jan 2016 #176