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In reply to the discussion: Europe - migrants - Cologne attacks - The comments section on this Guardian article... [View all]scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)17. I've read through 18 pages of reader comments, so far. It's certainly been fascinating.
This one in particular struck me - a good example of the anger being expressed on page after page:
You {meaning the author of the Guardian piece} "don't want to talk about it"? No, you, and the mind numbingly moronic liberal left commentariat don't want to talk about it.
You've not "talked about it" for years, decades even, certainly since the Rushdie affair. You are prepared to compromise free speech, the satire of religion. You compromise on attacks on Jews and gays. You have thrown away belief in the values of secularism and sexual equality for decades, because you might offend people who chose, that's right, chose to move to Europe from some economically stagnant cesspit of sexism and misogyny (that is why their countries are medieval shitholes - they've subjugated women as second class citizens for 1400 years and have not changed), and who demand, with threats of, and actual, violence, that we tolerate, accept and bow to their cultural norms.
You've defended the burka, you've defended sex segregation, and worse in schools.
You've called anyone who has questioned the mass importation of people from cultures so vastly different from that in Europe racists, and bigots. You sit there, on the sidelines, but with newspaper columns to preach from, wondering why much of the Left in Europe is totally, utterly discredited, when the answer lies in front of you, if only you looked in the mirror.
You compound your multiple crimes against real liberalism with fog:
You call the square around the Dom "rough". Have you been there? Its the centre of the fucking city. Open to all.
You can't work out whether it was just mere robberies, or whether the sexual violence was uppermost in the minds of the gangs of young North African and Muslim men who carried them out.
But you're still confused, when you should be appalled. Appalled at the behaviour and attitudes of these sexist, repellent men, at their deeply, repulsively sexist cultural backgrounds.
And you should be deeply ashamed that your arrogance and moral superiority - "We bend over backwards to report it responsibly, to moderate the frothing rage bubbling up below the line" - which is based on nothing but sanctimony, denial and no guts to defend liberal values at all. (my bold)
You've not "talked about it" for years, decades even, certainly since the Rushdie affair. You are prepared to compromise free speech, the satire of religion. You compromise on attacks on Jews and gays. You have thrown away belief in the values of secularism and sexual equality for decades, because you might offend people who chose, that's right, chose to move to Europe from some economically stagnant cesspit of sexism and misogyny (that is why their countries are medieval shitholes - they've subjugated women as second class citizens for 1400 years and have not changed), and who demand, with threats of, and actual, violence, that we tolerate, accept and bow to their cultural norms.
You've defended the burka, you've defended sex segregation, and worse in schools.
You've called anyone who has questioned the mass importation of people from cultures so vastly different from that in Europe racists, and bigots. You sit there, on the sidelines, but with newspaper columns to preach from, wondering why much of the Left in Europe is totally, utterly discredited, when the answer lies in front of you, if only you looked in the mirror.
You compound your multiple crimes against real liberalism with fog:
The New Years Eve attacks are shocking at least partly because theyre confusing.
You call the square around the Dom "rough". Have you been there? Its the centre of the fucking city. Open to all.
You can't work out whether it was just mere robberies, or whether the sexual violence was uppermost in the minds of the gangs of young North African and Muslim men who carried them out.
But you're still confused, when you should be appalled. Appalled at the behaviour and attitudes of these sexist, repellent men, at their deeply, repulsively sexist cultural backgrounds.
And you should be deeply ashamed that your arrogance and moral superiority - "We bend over backwards to report it responsibly, to moderate the frothing rage bubbling up below the line" - which is based on nothing but sanctimony, denial and no guts to defend liberal values at all. (my bold)
Anyway, thank you for bringing this article - and especially the comment section - to our attention.
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Europe - migrants - Cologne attacks - The comments section on this Guardian article... [View all]
sibelian
Jan 2016
OP
Exactly. Rotherham's may end up destroying the UK left, and Cologne may bury the German left...
sibelian
Jan 2016
#60
Uncontrolled immigration is a horrible idea. I hope they renew controls soon.
Green Forest
Jan 2016
#3
"... invaded by members of a foreign culture who do not share their values and mores." Le Pen and
pampango
Jan 2016
#8
Yes, I suppose I ought to be embarrassed by that. But frankly I'm not - here's why:
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#9
Nations certainly should have the right to protect their cultural heritage, etc. They should also
pampango
Jan 2016
#12
when multiculturalism includes marginalizing women thru violence, i'm out.
nashville_brook
Jan 2016
#64
You mean this comment suggesting that Germans now begin arming themselves with guns?
KittyWampus
Jan 2016
#6
The OP flatly states that there are over 6,000 comments. Why would you think he 'means' this
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#7
I've read through 18 pages of reader comments, so far. It's certainly been fascinating.
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#17
I've only been to Frankfurt and Dusseldorf (sp?), but that was 35+ years ago,
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#19
Thank you! I wish I could find the article I referred to in my post, but I have no idea where I read
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#31
Yes, that one struck me as well. In fact there are several very articuate posters on that thread...
sibelian
Jan 2016
#59
In one of the comments, someone posted a link to this Telegraph article, as a contrast to
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#21
What you're saying makes me think of Putin and his relationship to the Russian Orthodox Church.
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#33
What exactly are you on about? 100s of women were sexually assaulted in Germany, Austria,
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#27
um I think you need to fully explain your comments about Jews, just sayin, thank you nt
steve2470
Jan 2016
#41
... err.... yes we ARE scared of Muslims in the UK. Or at least some of us. I live there too.
sibelian
Jan 2016
#65
Whatever meaning you wish to take from the comments section I referenced is up to you.
sibelian
Jan 2016
#82
"Perhaps you are able to explain to me how I am responsible for this alleged fire."
Denzil_DC
Jan 2016
#86
The process whereby the Rotherham abusers were ENABLED has NOT been addressed.
sibelian
Jan 2016
#81
"Now I've got the measure of you" - no, you don't need the *measure* of me, pal.
sibelian
Jan 2016
#89
If you are guided by the comment section of any medium, you are going the wrong way IMO.
Are_grits_groceries
Jan 2016
#53
The Guardian has stopped being the Guardian. It's not the newspaper I remember.
sibelian
Jan 2016
#80