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scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
17. I've read through 18 pages of reader comments, so far. It's certainly been fascinating.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jan 2016

This one in particular struck me - a good example of the anger being expressed on page after page:

You {meaning the author of the Guardian piece} "don't want to talk about it"? No, you, and the mind numbingly moronic liberal left commentariat don't want to talk about it.

You've not "talked about it" for years, decades even, certainly since the Rushdie affair. You are prepared to compromise free speech, the satire of religion. You compromise on attacks on Jews and gays. You have thrown away belief in the values of secularism and sexual equality for decades, because you might offend people who chose, that's right, chose to move to Europe from some economically stagnant cesspit of sexism and misogyny (that is why their countries are medieval shitholes - they've subjugated women as second class citizens for 1400 years and have not changed), and who demand, with threats of, and actual, violence, that we tolerate, accept and bow to their cultural norms.

You've defended the burka, you've defended sex segregation, and worse in schools.

You've called anyone who has questioned the mass importation of people from cultures so vastly different from that in Europe racists, and bigots. You sit there, on the sidelines, but with newspaper columns to preach from, wondering why much of the Left in Europe is totally, utterly discredited, when the answer lies in front of you, if only you looked in the mirror.

You compound your multiple crimes against real liberalism with fog:

The New Year’s Eve attacks are shocking at least partly because they’re confusing.


You call the square around the Dom "rough". Have you been there? Its the centre of the fucking city. Open to all.

You can't work out whether it was just mere robberies, or whether the sexual violence was uppermost in the minds of the gangs of young North African and Muslim men who carried them out.

But you're still confused, when you should be appalled. Appalled at the behaviour and attitudes of these sexist, repellent men, at their deeply, repulsively sexist cultural backgrounds.

And you should be deeply ashamed that your arrogance and moral superiority - "We bend over backwards to report it responsibly, to moderate the frothing rage bubbling up below the line" - which is based on nothing but sanctimony, denial and no guts to defend liberal values at all. (my bold)


Anyway, thank you for bringing this article - and especially the comment section - to our attention.
This sea change among the various electorates in Europe has been brewing. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #1
I'm worried about it as well. sibelian Jan 2016 #2
Primarily because the left has hifiguy Jan 2016 #14
Exactly. Rotherham's may end up destroying the UK left, and Cologne may bury the German left... sibelian Jan 2016 #60
Uncontrolled immigration is a horrible idea. I hope they renew controls soon. Green Forest Jan 2016 #3
It was really stupid. sibelian Jan 2016 #4
The people of Europe have every right to be angry. scarletwoman Jan 2016 #5
"... invaded by members of a foreign culture who do not share their values and mores." Le Pen and pampango Jan 2016 #8
Yes, I suppose I ought to be embarrassed by that. But frankly I'm not - here's why: scarletwoman Jan 2016 #9
I applaud your last sentence. sibelian Jan 2016 #11
Nations certainly should have the right to protect their cultural heritage, etc. They should also pampango Jan 2016 #12
when multiculturalism includes marginalizing women thru violence, i'm out. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #64
Very good, you are my new friend! Jim Beard Jan 2016 #15
totally agree, well stated nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #39
thank you...well put. Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #54
Thank you get the red out Jan 2016 #63
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #84
This right here is basically the bottom line. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #83
You mean this comment suggesting that Germans now begin arming themselves with guns? KittyWampus Jan 2016 #6
The OP flatly states that there are over 6,000 comments. Why would you think he 'means' this Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #7
I have been reading the comment sections in the UK papers and I suppose smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #10
How Germany is reacting depends entirely on whom and where you ask. DFW Jan 2016 #13
Thanks for your perspective. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #24
I figured I'd write something DFW Jan 2016 #32
I think Germany really overdid it this time... steve2470 Jan 2016 #36
There wasn't much of ANY place nearby for them to go DFW Jan 2016 #40
It would NOT go over, period steve2470 Jan 2016 #43
Ditched the crutches!! DFW Jan 2016 #52
Good to hear! Dems to Win Jan 2016 #55
Thank you. That's very informative. sibelian Jan 2016 #58
People assimilate much faster if when they arrive, they are not all living Jim Beard Jan 2016 #16
It doesnt really matter whether newcomers live together or spread apart. snagglepuss Jan 2016 #20
I've read through 18 pages of reader comments, so far. It's certainly been fascinating. scarletwoman Jan 2016 #17
A "rough area of Cologne"?!?!?! What a nitwit! It's a lovely area! Coventina Jan 2016 #18
I've only been to Frankfurt and Dusseldorf (sp?), but that was 35+ years ago, scarletwoman Jan 2016 #19
This is what I am experiencing in my area. Jim Beard Jan 2016 #23
The Turks are a different situation, and many, if not most have assimilated DFW Jan 2016 #29
Thank you! I wish I could find the article I referred to in my post, but I have no idea where I read scarletwoman Jan 2016 #31
Most Turkish residents would look aghast at the concept of colonization DFW Jan 2016 #34
I'm down in Köln every couple of weeks DFW Jan 2016 #26
Good to know!! Thanks!! Coventina Jan 2016 #68
Wonderful post Jim Beard Jan 2016 #22
The angry letter is very indicative of how man Britons feel these days DFW Jan 2016 #30
Yes, that one struck me as well. In fact there are several very articuate posters on that thread... sibelian Jan 2016 #59
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #85
In one of the comments, someone posted a link to this Telegraph article, as a contrast to scarletwoman Jan 2016 #21
It's worse than just losing to the Right DFW Jan 2016 #28
What you're saying makes me think of Putin and his relationship to the Russian Orthodox Church. scarletwoman Jan 2016 #33
Well put DFW Jan 2016 #35
And also more liberal. That's the issue we are warily circling and dodging. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #69
There's the kick ass feminist article I've been looking for! Dems to Win Jan 2016 #70
There are many REAL leftynyc Jan 2016 #72
After Cologne, Feminism is Dead Dems to Win Jan 2016 #73
"Lie back and think of multiculturalism..." sibelian Jan 2016 #79
yeah, right, let's be guided by the "voice of the people".... blitzen Jan 2016 #25
What exactly are you on about? 100s of women were sexually assaulted in Germany, Austria, scarletwoman Jan 2016 #27
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um I think you need to fully explain your comments about Jews, just sayin, thank you nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #42
Ok it's time for you to leave, you're an anti semite, MIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #45
bullshit, time to leave before you get kicked out nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #46
Too late. Behind the Aegis Jan 2016 #48
that one should have gotten a 7-0 slam dunk to hide and PPR steve2470 Jan 2016 #49
MIRT got him before the jury came back. Behind the Aegis Jan 2016 #50
yea, I've seen it before and you saw my reaction lol nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #51
That's sufficiently vague that I don't really know what you're criticising. sibelian Jan 2016 #66
Islamification of Europe my arse. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #47
I am not American, thank you... sibelian Jan 2016 #61
You're being unnecessarily alarmist. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #62
... err.... yes we ARE scared of Muslims in the UK. Or at least some of us. I live there too. sibelian Jan 2016 #65
You're talking nonsense Bad Dog Jan 2016 #67
Dude, you're arguing with someone Denzil_DC Jan 2016 #71
Whatever meaning you wish to take from the comments section I referenced is up to you. sibelian Jan 2016 #82
"Perhaps you are able to explain to me how I am responsible for this alleged fire." Denzil_DC Jan 2016 #86
You mystify me. sibelian Jan 2016 #88
The process whereby the Rotherham abusers were ENABLED has NOT been addressed. sibelian Jan 2016 #81
Rotherham was about the police not believing the victims. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #87
"Now I've got the measure of you" - no, you don't need the *measure* of me, pal. sibelian Jan 2016 #89
Because Cologne is part of the UK. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #90
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #74
If you are guided by the comment section of any medium, you are going the wrong way IMO. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2016 #53
Meta!... Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #56
Well, perhaps I should have said be *informed* rather than guided. sibelian Jan 2016 #57
I hope you did actually READ the comments section, didn't you? sibelian Jan 2016 #76
Yes. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2016 #77
K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #75
The British left is falling out of love with the Guardian?? Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #78
The Guardian has stopped being the Guardian. It's not the newspaper I remember. sibelian Jan 2016 #80
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