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In reply to the discussion: Europe - migrants - Cologne attacks - The comments section on this Guardian article... [View all]scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)21. In one of the comments, someone posted a link to this Telegraph article, as a contrast to
the mealy-mouthed Guardian piece. It's actually quite good:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12087780/Cologne-assault-Cultural-difference-is-no-excuse-for-rape.html
Cologne assault: Cultural difference is no excuse for rape
By Allison Pearson
7:08PM GMT 07 Jan 2016
<snip>
There will be hundred of thousands of people today in the famously civilised city of Cologne, who will be in a state of shock about a similar cultural misunderstanding. The facts as we know them are profoundly troubling. On New Years Eve, in the precincts of the beautiful, twin-spired cathedral, up to 1,000 men of Arab or North African appearance sexually assaulted and robbed women who were enjoying the festivities. Around 100 complaints have been made to police so far, including two cases of rape. Eighteen-year-old Michelle said she and her friends were surrounded by 30 men, who molested them and then stole their belongings. Michelle said the men looked angry.
<snip>
This puts a liberal western society, which values womens rights, and admits men from countries that dont, in a bit of a bind, to put it mildly. Its difficult to raise the issue without being howled down by cries of Islamophobia. Sensitivities were already running high in Germany following Angela Merkels open invitation to refugees, which saw more than a million people arrive over the past twelve months. Shamefully, it took several days for the German news media to mention the Cologne assaults. As for the police, they issued a comically self-satisfied report saying that a jolly, peaceful time had been had by all. Apart from the girls who had fingers stuck in their most intimate parts, presumably.
<snip>
In Germany, I regret to say, they are still pretending that there is a moral equivalence between racist attitudes and actual bodily harm to women. (Fear of racism trumps feminism every single time.) Ralf Jaeger, interior minister for North Rhine-Westphalia, epitomised that cultural cringe when he warned that anti-immigrant groups were using the attacks to stir up hatred against refugees. "What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chat rooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women," he said.
Nein, nein, nein, mein Herr. Attitudes are not the same as deeds. Women in Europe have not fought for equal rights all these long years only to be told to start modifying their behaviour to avoid being molested. How long before the frauleins of Cologne are advised to stay indoors, or even cover their heads, out of respect to new arrivals? Sharia law shall not be imposed on us by stealth or cowardly accommodation with repellent thugs. And if anyone needs a code of conduct it is not German women, but men from conservative societies who must learn sharpish what our values entail, or return from whence they came.
I hope that I am wrong, but I fear that the grotesque mass attack on women in Cologne was not an isolated incident, but the first of many battles in a clash of civilisations.
Cologne assault: Cultural difference is no excuse for rape
How long before the women of Cologne are advised to stay indoors, or even cover their heads?
By Allison Pearson
7:08PM GMT 07 Jan 2016
<snip>
There will be hundred of thousands of people today in the famously civilised city of Cologne, who will be in a state of shock about a similar cultural misunderstanding. The facts as we know them are profoundly troubling. On New Years Eve, in the precincts of the beautiful, twin-spired cathedral, up to 1,000 men of Arab or North African appearance sexually assaulted and robbed women who were enjoying the festivities. Around 100 complaints have been made to police so far, including two cases of rape. Eighteen-year-old Michelle said she and her friends were surrounded by 30 men, who molested them and then stole their belongings. Michelle said the men looked angry.
<snip>
This puts a liberal western society, which values womens rights, and admits men from countries that dont, in a bit of a bind, to put it mildly. Its difficult to raise the issue without being howled down by cries of Islamophobia. Sensitivities were already running high in Germany following Angela Merkels open invitation to refugees, which saw more than a million people arrive over the past twelve months. Shamefully, it took several days for the German news media to mention the Cologne assaults. As for the police, they issued a comically self-satisfied report saying that a jolly, peaceful time had been had by all. Apart from the girls who had fingers stuck in their most intimate parts, presumably.
<snip>
In Germany, I regret to say, they are still pretending that there is a moral equivalence between racist attitudes and actual bodily harm to women. (Fear of racism trumps feminism every single time.) Ralf Jaeger, interior minister for North Rhine-Westphalia, epitomised that cultural cringe when he warned that anti-immigrant groups were using the attacks to stir up hatred against refugees. "What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chat rooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women," he said.
Nein, nein, nein, mein Herr. Attitudes are not the same as deeds. Women in Europe have not fought for equal rights all these long years only to be told to start modifying their behaviour to avoid being molested. How long before the frauleins of Cologne are advised to stay indoors, or even cover their heads, out of respect to new arrivals? Sharia law shall not be imposed on us by stealth or cowardly accommodation with repellent thugs. And if anyone needs a code of conduct it is not German women, but men from conservative societies who must learn sharpish what our values entail, or return from whence they came.
I hope that I am wrong, but I fear that the grotesque mass attack on women in Cologne was not an isolated incident, but the first of many battles in a clash of civilisations.
Yes, I am well aware that the Telegraph (nicknamed the "Torygraph" slants to the right. To me that's beside the point here - THIS article is so many more times sensible than the Guardian article. Liberals better smarten up and start calling out illiberal behavior for what it is, instead of offering pathetic defenses of it in the name of "multiculturalism". If not, we lose to the Right.
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Europe - migrants - Cologne attacks - The comments section on this Guardian article... [View all]
sibelian
Jan 2016
OP
Exactly. Rotherham's may end up destroying the UK left, and Cologne may bury the German left...
sibelian
Jan 2016
#60
Uncontrolled immigration is a horrible idea. I hope they renew controls soon.
Green Forest
Jan 2016
#3
"... invaded by members of a foreign culture who do not share their values and mores." Le Pen and
pampango
Jan 2016
#8
Yes, I suppose I ought to be embarrassed by that. But frankly I'm not - here's why:
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#9
Nations certainly should have the right to protect their cultural heritage, etc. They should also
pampango
Jan 2016
#12
when multiculturalism includes marginalizing women thru violence, i'm out.
nashville_brook
Jan 2016
#64
You mean this comment suggesting that Germans now begin arming themselves with guns?
KittyWampus
Jan 2016
#6
The OP flatly states that there are over 6,000 comments. Why would you think he 'means' this
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#7
I've read through 18 pages of reader comments, so far. It's certainly been fascinating.
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#17
I've only been to Frankfurt and Dusseldorf (sp?), but that was 35+ years ago,
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#19
Thank you! I wish I could find the article I referred to in my post, but I have no idea where I read
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#31
Yes, that one struck me as well. In fact there are several very articuate posters on that thread...
sibelian
Jan 2016
#59
In one of the comments, someone posted a link to this Telegraph article, as a contrast to
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#21
What you're saying makes me think of Putin and his relationship to the Russian Orthodox Church.
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#33
What exactly are you on about? 100s of women were sexually assaulted in Germany, Austria,
scarletwoman
Jan 2016
#27
um I think you need to fully explain your comments about Jews, just sayin, thank you nt
steve2470
Jan 2016
#41
... err.... yes we ARE scared of Muslims in the UK. Or at least some of us. I live there too.
sibelian
Jan 2016
#65
Whatever meaning you wish to take from the comments section I referenced is up to you.
sibelian
Jan 2016
#82
"Perhaps you are able to explain to me how I am responsible for this alleged fire."
Denzil_DC
Jan 2016
#86
The process whereby the Rotherham abusers were ENABLED has NOT been addressed.
sibelian
Jan 2016
#81
"Now I've got the measure of you" - no, you don't need the *measure* of me, pal.
sibelian
Jan 2016
#89
If you are guided by the comment section of any medium, you are going the wrong way IMO.
Are_grits_groceries
Jan 2016
#53
The Guardian has stopped being the Guardian. It's not the newspaper I remember.
sibelian
Jan 2016
#80