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29. The Turks are a different situation, and many, if not most have assimilated

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:22 AM

Jan 2016

While many keep their names and the more recent arrivals speak with an accent, plenty are the children or even grandchildren of the original "Gastarbeiter" of the 1950s, and speak flawless German. One is even the party head of the Greens at the moment. The Turks now living in Germany did not come under duress, and most have mastered the language. My wife took a short tour of Turkey in 2014, and said her tour guide spoke excellent German although he had never been to Germany. He said there were German language courses all over Turkey just because of the huge tourist traffic. There are Turkish actors, pop stars, comedians and cops all over Germany. They don't live just in enclaves. A Turkish name by itself won't raise an eyebrow in Germany any more than the name Rodriguez would in L.A.

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Europe - migrants - Cologne attacks - The comments section on this Guardian article... [View all] sibelian Jan 2016 OP

This sea change among the various electorates in Europe has been brewing. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #1

I'm worried about it as well. sibelian Jan 2016 #2

Primarily because the left has hifiguy Jan 2016 #14

Exactly. Rotherham's may end up destroying the UK left, and Cologne may bury the German left... sibelian Jan 2016 #60

Uncontrolled immigration is a horrible idea. I hope they renew controls soon. Green Forest Jan 2016 #3

It was really stupid. sibelian Jan 2016 #4

The people of Europe have every right to be angry. scarletwoman Jan 2016 #5

"... invaded by members of a foreign culture who do not share their values and mores." Le Pen and pampango Jan 2016 #8

Yes, I suppose I ought to be embarrassed by that. But frankly I'm not - here's why: scarletwoman Jan 2016 #9

I applaud your last sentence. sibelian Jan 2016 #11

Nations certainly should have the right to protect their cultural heritage, etc. They should also pampango Jan 2016 #12

when multiculturalism includes marginalizing women thru violence, i'm out. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #64

Very good, you are my new friend! Jim Beard Jan 2016 #15

totally agree, well stated nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #39

thank you...well put. Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #54

Thank you get the red out Jan 2016 #63

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #84

This right here is basically the bottom line. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #83

You mean this comment suggesting that Germans now begin arming themselves with guns? KittyWampus Jan 2016 #6

The OP flatly states that there are over 6,000 comments. Why would you think he 'means' this Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #7

I have been reading the comment sections in the UK papers and I suppose smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #10

How Germany is reacting depends entirely on whom and where you ask. DFW Jan 2016 #13

Thanks for your perspective. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #24

I figured I'd write something DFW Jan 2016 #32

I think Germany really overdid it this time... steve2470 Jan 2016 #36

There wasn't much of ANY place nearby for them to go DFW Jan 2016 #40

It would NOT go over, period steve2470 Jan 2016 #43

Ditched the crutches!! DFW Jan 2016 #52

Good to hear! Dems to Win Jan 2016 #55

Thank you. That's very informative. sibelian Jan 2016 #58

People assimilate much faster if when they arrive, they are not all living Jim Beard Jan 2016 #16

It doesnt really matter whether newcomers live together or spread apart. snagglepuss Jan 2016 #20

I've read through 18 pages of reader comments, so far. It's certainly been fascinating. scarletwoman Jan 2016 #17

A "rough area of Cologne"?!?!?! What a nitwit! It's a lovely area! Coventina Jan 2016 #18

I've only been to Frankfurt and Dusseldorf (sp?), but that was 35+ years ago, scarletwoman Jan 2016 #19

This is what I am experiencing in my area. Jim Beard Jan 2016 #23

The Turks are a different situation, and many, if not most have assimilated DFW Jan 2016 #29

Thank you! I wish I could find the article I referred to in my post, but I have no idea where I read scarletwoman Jan 2016 #31

Most Turkish residents would look aghast at the concept of colonization DFW Jan 2016 #34

I'm down in Köln every couple of weeks DFW Jan 2016 #26

Good to know!! Thanks!! Coventina Jan 2016 #68

Wonderful post Jim Beard Jan 2016 #22

The angry letter is very indicative of how man Britons feel these days DFW Jan 2016 #30

Yes, that one struck me as well. In fact there are several very articuate posters on that thread... sibelian Jan 2016 #59

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #85

In one of the comments, someone posted a link to this Telegraph article, as a contrast to scarletwoman Jan 2016 #21

It's worse than just losing to the Right DFW Jan 2016 #28

What you're saying makes me think of Putin and his relationship to the Russian Orthodox Church. scarletwoman Jan 2016 #33

Well put DFW Jan 2016 #35

And also more liberal. That's the issue we are warily circling and dodging. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #69

There's the kick ass feminist article I've been looking for! Dems to Win Jan 2016 #70

There are many REAL leftynyc Jan 2016 #72

After Cologne, Feminism is Dead Dems to Win Jan 2016 #73

"Lie back and think of multiculturalism..." sibelian Jan 2016 #79

yeah, right, let's be guided by the "voice of the people".... blitzen Jan 2016 #25

What exactly are you on about? 100s of women were sexually assaulted in Germany, Austria, scarletwoman Jan 2016 #27

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um I think you need to fully explain your comments about Jews, just sayin, thank you nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #41

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Ok it's time for you to leave, you're an anti semite, MIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #44

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bullshit, time to leave before you get kicked out nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #46

Too late. Behind the Aegis Jan 2016 #48

that one should have gotten a 7-0 slam dunk to hide and PPR steve2470 Jan 2016 #49

MIRT got him before the jury came back. Behind the Aegis Jan 2016 #50

yea, I've seen it before and you saw my reaction lol nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #51

That's sufficiently vague that I don't really know what you're criticising. sibelian Jan 2016 #66

Islamification of Europe my arse. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #38

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I am not American, thank you... sibelian Jan 2016 #61

You're being unnecessarily alarmist. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #62

... err.... yes we ARE scared of Muslims in the UK. Or at least some of us. I live there too. sibelian Jan 2016 #65

You're talking nonsense Bad Dog Jan 2016 #67

Dude, you're arguing with someone Denzil_DC Jan 2016 #71

Whatever meaning you wish to take from the comments section I referenced is up to you. sibelian Jan 2016 #82

"Perhaps you are able to explain to me how I am responsible for this alleged fire." Denzil_DC Jan 2016 #86

You mystify me. sibelian Jan 2016 #88

The process whereby the Rotherham abusers were ENABLED has NOT been addressed. sibelian Jan 2016 #81

Rotherham was about the police not believing the victims. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #87

"Now I've got the measure of you" - no, you don't need the *measure* of me, pal. sibelian Jan 2016 #89

Because Cologne is part of the UK. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #90

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #74

If you are guided by the comment section of any medium, you are going the wrong way IMO. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2016 #53

Meta!... Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #56

Well, perhaps I should have said be *informed* rather than guided. sibelian Jan 2016 #57

I hope you did actually READ the comments section, didn't you? sibelian Jan 2016 #76

Yes. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2016 #77

K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #75

The British left is falling out of love with the Guardian?? Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #78

The Guardian has stopped being the Guardian. It's not the newspaper I remember. sibelian Jan 2016 #80