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120. The North started the war

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:55 PM

Jun 2012

The South wanted to form its own country. Result was 600,000 dead and division to this day. Was it worth it?

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Why is it we allow people to fly the Confedrerate Flag? [View all] dballance May 2012 OP

Freedom of expression no matter how distasteful the message. n/t cynatnite May 2012 #1

It's not freedom of expression if it uses public funding! DontTreadOnMe May 2012 #3

Are you talking about state flags? cynatnite May 2012 #7

Go for it. Lots of Dixie folk don't virgogal May 2012 #8

Dixie folk here. Married to a Boston boy. Fawke Em Jun 2012 #92

Not exactly a stereotype, in my recent experience. Adsos Letter Jun 2012 #116

Interesting take on what constitutes freedom of expression onenote May 2012 #17

This again? RZM May 2012 #2

Yes this again, the enslavement of an entire race of people is worth discussing just1voice Jun 2012 #105

This isn't a discussion about slavery RZM Jun 2012 #113

They have the right to fly it... I have the right to desecrate it! backscatter712 May 2012 #4

I'm right with you. GoneOffShore May 2012 #69

You don't have a right to vandalize someone's property because their opinions are offensive. DavidDvorkin May 2012 #73

If I buy my own confederate flag, I can burn it, piss on it, do whatever I want to disrespect it. nt backscatter712 May 2012 #74

Of course, if it's your property. DavidDvorkin May 2012 #76

gosh H2O Man May 2012 #5

that 1st amendment is a pesky little thing, isn't it? cali May 2012 #6

Try using your first amendment rights to advocate for Al qaeda or fly their flag Bandit May 2012 #35

Your First amendment? former9thward May 2012 #39

does Al qaeda have a flag? cali May 2012 #56

Yup, and Al Qaeda killed a lot FEWER Americans than the Confederates did. Zalatix May 2012 #84

You could. You would attract attention, but would not be arrested until treestar Jun 2012 #103

Probably gets you put under surveillance by the FBI, but it isn't a crime by itself Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #129

Yes, cali, always has been. elleng Jun 2012 #94

well, it IS another country's flag JitterbugPerfume May 2012 #9

That was sort of the basis for argument. The U.S. maintained that the Confederacy was not razorman May 2012 #15

you are right razorman , it was to preserve the union JitterbugPerfume May 2012 #26

Agreed. The Confederacy considered themselves legitimate. The U.S. did not. Both sides each razorman Jun 2012 #96

Um, first amendment much? XemaSab May 2012 #10

It's not just the GOP. The old southern Democrats loved the reb flag. virgogal May 2012 #11

Yes, it's a symbol of revolt and revolution Cali_Democrat May 2012 #12

Why ban it? It is really convenient when idiots self-identify alphafemale May 2012 #13

That pesky first amendment. MrSlayer May 2012 #14

Constitution. Iggo May 2012 #16

you are equating the nazi flag to the confederate flag? DrDan May 2012 #18

I'd say it's a pretty good comparison Cali_Democrat May 2012 #19

You think the north has never been racist? XemaSab May 2012 #21

No Cali_Democrat May 2012 #24

The Union outlawed slavery. The Confederacy fought for it. Zalatix May 2012 #85

The union outlawed slavery to kneecap the southern economy. It was extremely strategic. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #121

I know that, but it still doesn't make the North the same as the South. Zalatix Jun 2012 #132

It's a good thing the United States was never racist nor started wars of aggression. Uncle Joe May 2012 #22

Perfect response! H2O Man May 2012 #23

You could say the same thing about many other states RZM May 2012 #25

"You could say the same thing about many other states" Cali_Democrat May 2012 #27

So then why not compare the Confederacy to the North? n/t RZM May 2012 #29

Because the post I responded to only mentioned the confederacy Cali_Democrat May 2012 #31

Yes RZM May 2012 #33

Sorry Cali_Democrat May 2012 #34

What are you doing playing on the Intertubes at work? snooper2 May 2012 #37

Nazism was for all practical purposes the continuation of the logic of colonialism. Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #59

That's only partly true RZM May 2012 #65

I agree with you that colonialism was a complex phenomenon, but what about say the Vichy government Puregonzo1188 Jun 2012 #109

Both of those examples were outside of my framework RZM Jun 2012 #115

racist nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy, elleng Jun 2012 #95

In the South, the Civil War is referred to as the "Northern" War of Aggression. bluedigger May 2012 #82

The North started the war Ter Jun 2012 #120

I'll make that comparison! backscatter712 May 2012 #52

I fervently wish that that was all the Nazis did (nt) Nye Bevan May 2012 #54

I think the word Holocaust pretty aptly describes chattel slavery. Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #60

Google "Andersonville Prison" baldguy May 2012 #58

The Nazis had numerous technological innovations and changed the map of Europe... Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #98

Why not? treestar Jun 2012 #104

the real issue is that there are idiots that see no difference between the nazis and confederates DrDan Jun 2012 #106

Oh please. Both the Nazis and Confederates committed unspeakable atrocities. backscatter712 Jun 2012 #114

oh please - not comparable at all DrDan Jun 2012 #117

Of course they can be compared treestar Jun 2012 #123

Of course there is a difference treestar Jun 2012 #122

as are there similarities with any other nation/group DrDan Jun 2012 #124

I worked for a while at a North Georgia flea market RebelOne May 2012 #20

Our own flag is the ultimate symbol of revolt and revolution slackmaster May 2012 #28

The California flag says "California Republic" on it XemaSab May 2012 #32

I've always wondered about the wording on the California flag Art_from_Ark May 2012 #47

For two years we were a republic XemaSab May 2012 #66

Doing a little checking, Art_from_Ark May 2012 #70

2 years, 3 weeks... same dif XemaSab May 2012 #71

because Reconstruction didn't go far enough? BOG PERSON May 2012 #30

Darn that 1st Amendment! Johnny Rico May 2012 #36

No different than a flag that says "I'M A STUPID DOUCHEBAG" - both get the message across. HopeHoops May 2012 #38

The convoluted thinking to defend a racist rebel flag is a thing of wonder. RC May 2012 #40

No it isn't. The OP is talking about 'people,' not 'states' RZM May 2012 #42

There is a HUGE difference between flying a flag on a government building vs an individual flying it slackmaster May 2012 #43

Which states have laws against display the Confederate flag ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #45

I've seen the claim that there is a federal law banning the display of the confederate flag onenote Jun 2012 #126

I don't like the confederate flag. It is a reminder of the treason of the South. What really libinnyandia May 2012 #41

When my son first moved to the south 15 years ago... Speck Tater May 2012 #44

I am not really sure I see your connection to the Middle East. Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #61

Ancient history used to justify modern hatred. Speck Tater Jun 2012 #88

You really don't know much about the modern middle east do? The problem isn't some orientalist Puregonzo1188 Jun 2012 #90

Which flag? ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #46

You mean the Confederate battle flag? Art_from_Ark May 2012 #67

No, the 2nd Confederate Navy Jack ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #75

But in your link, the 2nd Navy Jack was also the Battle Flag of Tennessee and other states Art_from_Ark May 2012 #80

Tennessee units adopted it later, as did others. Sometime square, sometime in part or whole ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #86

Exactly RZM Jun 2012 #87

I thought what was commonly called the Cpnfederate Flag was the... white_wolf May 2012 #72

The Battle Flag was square, the Naval Jack rectangular ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #77

For the same reason we let people believe in the supernatural. cleanhippie May 2012 #48

They aren't "allowed" to, they are free to do so. Throd May 2012 #49

The main reason people fly that flag is.. MicaelS May 2012 #50

The same reason we 'allow' people to choose their own religion. X_Digger May 2012 #51

It's called living in a free country. badtoworse May 2012 #53

Anyone who flies that flag is supporting TREASON. Odin2005 May 2012 #55

It's treason, then RZM May 2012 #62

Please define "TREASON" and explain why flying the flag of a defunct former enemy qualifies. slackmaster May 2012 #78

The First Amendment. The same reason people get to burn American flags or wave Viet Cong flags. Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #57

For the same reason you can stick a crucifix in piss and put it in a museum Burma Jones May 2012 #63

"Confedrerate" should actually be "Confederate." Beyond referring you to the 1st amendment, that's apocalypsehow May 2012 #64

Rebel losers have the right to fly the confederate rag....flag Dawson Leery May 2012 #68

. Go Vols May 2012 #79

Please read the first amendment. YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #81

It's good to see DU standing up for the first amendment RZM May 2012 #83

It would be nice to get rid of the confederate flag Happydayz Jun 2012 #89

if you where to ban a flag based on history Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #91

+1 Go Vols Jun 2012 #101

exactly Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #133

Agreed, it's hate speech and defamation that slanders groups and our government just1voice Jun 2012 #93

If someone writes a book that casts the Confederacy in a positive light onenote Jun 2012 #127

Because we value free speech? nt hack89 Jun 2012 #97

Do you mean the "Fuck Brown v. The Board of Education Flag"? Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #99

why is it du is allowed to exist? why can foxnews lie about 'news'.....1st amendment spanone Jun 2012 #100

it's good of them to flag where they are bigtree Jun 2012 #102

Freedom of Speech BlueDemKev Jun 2012 #107

The Treasonous Flag should be outlawed! B Calm Jun 2012 #108

Care to back that up with a reasoned defense of your position? onenote Jun 2012 #128

WHARRGARBL!!!! Codeine Jun 2012 #130

could the brittish take the same view and the continued separation day on the 4th July Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #134

Why? kctim Jun 2012 #110

First Amendment? NeedleCast Jun 2012 #111

because we have a right to free expression in the US librechik Jun 2012 #112

Army of Tennessee flag is the only variant I see much of One_Life_To_Give Jun 2012 #118

I see the Army of Tennessee flag here daily,seldom any of the others. Go Vols Jun 2012 #119

How do you know its not the 2nd Naval Jack instead? ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #125

We on the coasts are liberul One_Life_To_Give Jun 2012 #131

If flying the Confederate Flag is not racist as some claim dinopipie Jun 2012 #135