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sibelian

(7,804 posts)
81. The process whereby the Rotherham abusers were ENABLED has NOT been addressed.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jan 2016

THAT is the problem, and comparisons to other paedophile rings are irrelevant to that process as THOSE rings are protected by different structures. There is no "sliding scale" of visibility here in which certain rings are preferable targets for scrutiny based on the ethnicity of the ring - all paedophile rings are morally equal as far as I'm concerned and structures protecting them are to be removed. This means the propensity for attributing racist motives to people alerting the state, the general public and Western civilisation at large to the presence of paedophile rings because the alerts are being directed at individuals already at risk from far-right elements must END, because it is more important that children are safe from sexual abuse than that the left retains its public image for the sake of a national conversation on Islam.

Alerts to the existence of the Rotherham abusers were circumvented by the left wing inability to distinguish between truthful accusations of criminality from fiction. We KNOW this is the case because the authorities to which the crimes were alerted HAVE SAID SO. They have admitted the problem. This process emerges because some elements within the left wing think Muslims are not people, with the same capacity for good and evil as every other human on the planet, but rather thinks of them as small, helpless, brown human-shaped lumps of plasticine that fit nicely into the heroic narratives that make individual liberals feel good about themselves in the process of protecting them. This is utterly impossible to deny now. We have moved from Rotherham to COLOGNE with the SAME ATTITUDE INTACT.

Clearly I am NOT being unnecessarily alarmist as the culture that prevented alerts to the Rotherham abuse is extant, in evidence and self-protecting, anyone can see this from the response to the culture clash between misogynistic Islam and Western liberalism during the reporting on Cologne. Cologne WAS NOT REPORTED ON in the liberal media in the UK and elsewhere until it was impossible NOT to report it. This is an extension of the culture that enabled Rotherham. The left MUST accept responsibility for this enabling process and must END IT.

Criticism of Islam is NOT somehow inherently right-wing. Do not confuse me with Nick Griffin, thanks, although to be frank I'm almost at the stage now of wondering if such comparisons would be all that insulting given that that guy started talking about Rotherham before anyone else and correctly identified the problems, this makes criticism of him less valid and any vague unwholesomeness we're all supposed to attribute him with less meaningful. I think he is an idiot. But, he started talking about Rotherham before anyone else. It is becoming difficult for me to continue holding the position that he is a purely malevolent idiot. We now CANNOT avoid considering what the situation in Rotherham might have been had he been listened to. Can we?

Blameless Muslims must be protected from bigotry, but I am not protecting Islam to the extent that its followers use the generalised hesitancy of the liberal West to cause offense as cover under which to commit grotesque crimes of abuse and I am NOT going to be told that I'm being "unnecessarily alarmist" as this deep and abiding need to protect people who have not even been established as actually having escaped a warzone has clearly resulted in increased levels of sexual abuse, and, recently, in Hamburg, Helsinki and Cologne, as well as other cities, has enabled public sexual abuse on an unprecedented scale.

Do you understand me? The reticence to attribute the blatantly obvious misogyny that we all seem to think is OK "over there" in the ME, has enabled sexual abuse in the West. Pretending these men will come to the West with all-new attitudes towards women is farcical in the face of it. I'm not talking about the imaginary pogrom against Islam. There ISN'T ONE. The pogrom is IMAGINARY. There is NO CRUSADE. No-one in the West is seriously trying to eradicate Islam. New mosques are built yearly. The idea that Muslims in the West are oppressed is a farce. It's just false. I'm talking about the increased prevalance of sexual abuse in Europe because of the thoroughly bugfuck insistence of some on the left who refuse to believe that people from a society that find women, gay people and Jews inferior will continue to do so in the West as if Western culture just transfers itself from mind to mind by osmosis. It obviously doesn't. If it did, we wouldn't be talking about Rotherham, Helsinki and Cologne. Doesn't it strike you as slightly peculiar that all these attacks in different cities occurred at the same time, incidentally? Or is that just a coincidence?

UKIP is supported mostly by ex-left wing people. These are people who should be voting Labour. They aren't anymore.

I'm not English, I'm Scottish. Please feel free to look at my posts elsewhere on this site to confirm this.

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This sea change among the various electorates in Europe has been brewing. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #1
I'm worried about it as well. sibelian Jan 2016 #2
Primarily because the left has hifiguy Jan 2016 #14
Exactly. Rotherham's may end up destroying the UK left, and Cologne may bury the German left... sibelian Jan 2016 #60
Uncontrolled immigration is a horrible idea. I hope they renew controls soon. Green Forest Jan 2016 #3
It was really stupid. sibelian Jan 2016 #4
The people of Europe have every right to be angry. scarletwoman Jan 2016 #5
"... invaded by members of a foreign culture who do not share their values and mores." Le Pen and pampango Jan 2016 #8
Yes, I suppose I ought to be embarrassed by that. But frankly I'm not - here's why: scarletwoman Jan 2016 #9
I applaud your last sentence. sibelian Jan 2016 #11
Nations certainly should have the right to protect their cultural heritage, etc. They should also pampango Jan 2016 #12
when multiculturalism includes marginalizing women thru violence, i'm out. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #64
Very good, you are my new friend! Jim Beard Jan 2016 #15
totally agree, well stated nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #39
thank you...well put. Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #54
Thank you get the red out Jan 2016 #63
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #84
This right here is basically the bottom line. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #83
You mean this comment suggesting that Germans now begin arming themselves with guns? KittyWampus Jan 2016 #6
The OP flatly states that there are over 6,000 comments. Why would you think he 'means' this Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #7
I have been reading the comment sections in the UK papers and I suppose smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #10
How Germany is reacting depends entirely on whom and where you ask. DFW Jan 2016 #13
Thanks for your perspective. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #24
I figured I'd write something DFW Jan 2016 #32
I think Germany really overdid it this time... steve2470 Jan 2016 #36
There wasn't much of ANY place nearby for them to go DFW Jan 2016 #40
It would NOT go over, period steve2470 Jan 2016 #43
Ditched the crutches!! DFW Jan 2016 #52
Good to hear! Dems to Win Jan 2016 #55
Thank you. That's very informative. sibelian Jan 2016 #58
People assimilate much faster if when they arrive, they are not all living Jim Beard Jan 2016 #16
It doesnt really matter whether newcomers live together or spread apart. snagglepuss Jan 2016 #20
I've read through 18 pages of reader comments, so far. It's certainly been fascinating. scarletwoman Jan 2016 #17
A "rough area of Cologne"?!?!?! What a nitwit! It's a lovely area! Coventina Jan 2016 #18
I've only been to Frankfurt and Dusseldorf (sp?), but that was 35+ years ago, scarletwoman Jan 2016 #19
This is what I am experiencing in my area. Jim Beard Jan 2016 #23
The Turks are a different situation, and many, if not most have assimilated DFW Jan 2016 #29
Thank you! I wish I could find the article I referred to in my post, but I have no idea where I read scarletwoman Jan 2016 #31
Most Turkish residents would look aghast at the concept of colonization DFW Jan 2016 #34
I'm down in Köln every couple of weeks DFW Jan 2016 #26
Good to know!! Thanks!! Coventina Jan 2016 #68
Wonderful post Jim Beard Jan 2016 #22
The angry letter is very indicative of how man Britons feel these days DFW Jan 2016 #30
Yes, that one struck me as well. In fact there are several very articuate posters on that thread... sibelian Jan 2016 #59
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #85
In one of the comments, someone posted a link to this Telegraph article, as a contrast to scarletwoman Jan 2016 #21
It's worse than just losing to the Right DFW Jan 2016 #28
What you're saying makes me think of Putin and his relationship to the Russian Orthodox Church. scarletwoman Jan 2016 #33
Well put DFW Jan 2016 #35
And also more liberal. That's the issue we are warily circling and dodging. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #69
There's the kick ass feminist article I've been looking for! Dems to Win Jan 2016 #70
There are many REAL leftynyc Jan 2016 #72
After Cologne, Feminism is Dead Dems to Win Jan 2016 #73
"Lie back and think of multiculturalism..." sibelian Jan 2016 #79
yeah, right, let's be guided by the "voice of the people".... blitzen Jan 2016 #25
What exactly are you on about? 100s of women were sexually assaulted in Germany, Austria, scarletwoman Jan 2016 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #37
um I think you need to fully explain your comments about Jews, just sayin, thank you nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #42
Ok it's time for you to leave, you're an anti semite, MIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #45
bullshit, time to leave before you get kicked out nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #46
Too late. Behind the Aegis Jan 2016 #48
that one should have gotten a 7-0 slam dunk to hide and PPR steve2470 Jan 2016 #49
MIRT got him before the jury came back. Behind the Aegis Jan 2016 #50
yea, I've seen it before and you saw my reaction lol nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #51
That's sufficiently vague that I don't really know what you're criticising. sibelian Jan 2016 #66
Islamification of Europe my arse. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #47
I am not American, thank you... sibelian Jan 2016 #61
You're being unnecessarily alarmist. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #62
... err.... yes we ARE scared of Muslims in the UK. Or at least some of us. I live there too. sibelian Jan 2016 #65
You're talking nonsense Bad Dog Jan 2016 #67
Dude, you're arguing with someone Denzil_DC Jan 2016 #71
Whatever meaning you wish to take from the comments section I referenced is up to you. sibelian Jan 2016 #82
"Perhaps you are able to explain to me how I am responsible for this alleged fire." Denzil_DC Jan 2016 #86
You mystify me. sibelian Jan 2016 #88
The process whereby the Rotherham abusers were ENABLED has NOT been addressed. sibelian Jan 2016 #81
Rotherham was about the police not believing the victims. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #87
"Now I've got the measure of you" - no, you don't need the *measure* of me, pal. sibelian Jan 2016 #89
Because Cologne is part of the UK. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #90
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #74
If you are guided by the comment section of any medium, you are going the wrong way IMO. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2016 #53
Meta!... Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #56
Well, perhaps I should have said be *informed* rather than guided. sibelian Jan 2016 #57
I hope you did actually READ the comments section, didn't you? sibelian Jan 2016 #76
Yes. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2016 #77
K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #75
The British left is falling out of love with the Guardian?? Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #78
The Guardian has stopped being the Guardian. It's not the newspaper I remember. sibelian Jan 2016 #80
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