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edhopper

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9. What do you do when those dearly held beliefs

Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:25 PM

Jan 2016

result in oppressive laws. How do you fight that without challenging those beliefs.

"Sure, nothing wrong with thinking abortion is murder and we are perpetrating a holocaust of the unborn, just don't do anything to change the law about it."

Think that will work.

How about "Yes, it's okay to think that same sex marriage is an abomination that will unleash the wrath of the Lord on us, but just let it go."

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Has Odin forsaken us? [View all] Photographer Jan 2016 OP

I don't know about winning elections but Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #1

So you endorse holding the stupid and misconceptions Photographer Jan 2016 #2

Believe what you choose to believe. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #3

Sorry, but to coddle 15th C superstitions Photographer Jan 2016 #5

Arrogance does no one a favor and is self-destructive. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #7

Beleiving in gravity is not arrogance. Photographer Jan 2016 #8

I'm not aware of any mainstream religious arguments against gravity. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #10

And why would one think that a magic man in the sky Photographer Jan 2016 #13

There's more good reasons to believe that than there is to believe Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #14

What are those good reasons exactly? TipTok Jan 2016 #42

Actually, there are no good reasons for lying just to feel superior. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #44

Probably... TipTok Jan 2016 #48

Here is one: jonno99 Jan 2016 #53

Ahhh.. the old standby... TipTok Jan 2016 #54

Ah, the old dodge (the comic strip). And please jonno99 Jan 2016 #61

As stated before... TipTok Jan 2016 #66

You're being a bit disingenous I think. To state that no one murdered in jonno99 Jan 2016 #68

There is no per se.... TipTok Jan 2016 #69

The argument has been: abolish religion and we abolish history's worst crimes. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #71

"...their atheism did not relieve them of the impulse to kill as religion is charged with inciting" jonno99 Jan 2016 #75

Has anyone, anywhere, ever made the argument that atheism relieves the impulse to kill? cleanhippie Jan 2016 #82

"...but not a single one of them is lack of belief." Really? What prevents you from jonno99 Jan 2016 #90

Are you ok? cleanhippie Jan 2016 #91

I thought it was self explanatory. You made a claim which I refuted. jonno99 Jan 2016 #92

Refuted? Do you know what that word actually means? cleanhippie Jan 2016 #93

So, just to be clear: you don't think that fear jonno99 Jan 2016 #94

I don't think that lack of belief in a god has ever been the motivation to kill another. cleanhippie Jan 2016 #95

You're dodging. You initially responded to my quote from NU: jonno99 Jan 2016 #96

You go to great lengths in your efforts to lump religion in with the many other 'behavior modifiers' cleanhippie Jan 2016 #102

still dodging...or you're really unable to face the facts. jonno99 Jan 2016 #104

Love it. hifiguy Jan 2016 #98

I left off the bottom half by accident... TipTok Jan 2016 #101

Double whammy from The Oatmeal... TipTok Jan 2016 #59

When cartoons become Holy Writ Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #72

So you are saying that it was lack of religion that led to those deaths? cleanhippie Jan 2016 #81

And yet here you are... cleanhippie Jan 2016 #80

What lie have I told? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #88

Pretty please with sugar on top... TipTok Jan 2016 #23

is your imaginary construct more real than the imaginary constructs held by others? LanternWaste Jan 2016 #25

Indeed they are... TipTok Jan 2016 #26

Oh, FFS. That wins the prize for biggest false equivalency of the day. cleanhippie Jan 2016 #83

Why should patently absurd beliefs and opinions be respected at all? cleanhippie Jan 2016 #79

What do you do when those dearly held beliefs edhopper Jan 2016 #9

Debating is one thing. Mocking and ridiculing with a smug sense of superiority is another. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #11

So you don't think some of those beliefs are worth of ridicule? edhopper Jan 2016 #21

The problem with zealotry is Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #41

the problem with not confronting barbaris beliefs edhopper Jan 2016 #43

The absence of religion will not promise us the presence of good law. Secular law is just as Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #45

And just like challenging religious bullshit edhopper Jan 2016 #47

It's not so much that religion gets a special pass as it is Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #49

you've had atheists knock on your door? edhopper Jan 2016 #50

You think insulting people over the internet is superior to sermons on the air? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #52

You can simple walk away and not respond edhopper Jan 2016 #55

"You can simple walk away" - yes but can you? Methinks no. You are compelled to evangelize...nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #62

I don't evangelize edhopper Jan 2016 #67

I love it when believers try to equivocate. cleanhippie Jan 2016 #85

You could not watch TV sermons but you still complained about them. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #70

Evangelical atheists? cleanhippie Jan 2016 #84

I believe in him! pinboy3niner Jan 2016 #4

You call the Flying Spaghetti Monster 'Odin"? KamaAina Jan 2016 #6

. Iggo Jan 2016 #12

We are talking about Odin here. Not one of the other Gods. Photographer Jan 2016 #15

Most people in this world believe in some sort of metaphysical power. cpwm17 Jan 2016 #16

I would disagree. Photographer Jan 2016 #17

Calling people that think differently than you "MF'rs" is selfish and wrong. cpwm17 Jan 2016 #22

Then isn't it ironic that so many nations which take a religious path actually punish people who Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #30

Wow - why limit the scope to "religious states"? The communist (non-religious) states jonno99 Jan 2016 #46

Rome and the whole of Europe? Photographer Jan 2016 #73

Pikers - compared to the communists...nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #74

Most people know better but don't admit it, because loudmouths valerief Jan 2016 #51

Why must you attack the super-natural and un-explainable innate supremacy by which my deity... 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #18

Thought this was about DUer Odin2005 TacoD Jan 2016 #19

Well I don't see any Ice Giants OriginalGeek Jan 2016 #20

Oh hai! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #57

hail Odin! irisblue Jan 2016 #63

what's up allfather? (nt) TacoD Jan 2016 #64

What? Politics isn't real? prove it! LanternWaste Jan 2016 #24

How can we change narrow-minded opinions? I'd start with the OP...nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #27

Patton Oswalt had a quality response... TipTok Jan 2016 #28

So if I respond with "well, Oswalt is f'ing stupid!", what have we solved? nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #29

We continue to have a conversation... TipTok Jan 2016 #31

LOL - so in your opinion, "you're position is f'ing stupid" - is a good conversation starter? nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #34

I wouldn't start that way... TipTok Jan 2016 #35

Now you're just tap-dancing. If Oswalt gave a "quality response", why not "start that way"? nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #38

Cause precedes affect... TipTok Jan 2016 #40

In this case, "you're (sic) position is f'ing stupid" has already been established. cleanhippie Jan 2016 #87

people believe Obama is from Kenya, is that worthy of respect or is it fucking stupid? Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #33

I suspect it just their beliefs... TipTok Jan 2016 #37

That you're unable to comprehend what he is saying? cleanhippie Jan 2016 #86

I respect your right to believe in Odin el_bryanto Jan 2016 #32

^^ THIS ^^ nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #39

Heill Odin mikeysnot Jan 2016 #36

Never thought I'd see Burzum posted on DU. My hat is off to you, good sir! nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #65

Hail! mikeysnot Jan 2016 #89

+1 Pretty kool music. hifiguy Jan 2016 #99

Did someone call my name??? Odin2005 Jan 2016 #56

I dunno. Why don't you ask him? KamaAina Jan 2016 #58

Heheheheh Odin2005 Jan 2016 #60

Yes. ms liberty Jan 2016 #76

Forsaken us? I don't see any Ice Giants around... opiate69 Jan 2016 #77

Great minds, it appear, think alike. hifiguy Jan 2016 #100

Indeed, they do, old friend! opiate69 Jan 2016 #103

Is something wrong with Odin's foreskin?? sarisataka Jan 2016 #78

I don't see any frost giants around. hifiguy Jan 2016 #97