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In reply to the discussion: The Bundy Takeover of the Malheur Refuge. [View all]countryjake
(8,554 posts)23. Agreed...exactly!
The Ideological Roots of the Oregon Standoff
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/opinion/sunday/the-ideological-roots-of-the-oregon-standoff.html?_r=1
IT is tempting to dismiss the antigovernment gunmen who took control of an animal refuge in Oregon on Jan. 2 as fanatics working at the fringes of American politics. But if the methods used by the rancher Ammon Bundy to seize the federal property were radical, the ideological roots of the operation were somewhat more mainstream.
By storming the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and vowing to return it by force of arms, if necessary to the people of Harney County, Mr. Bundy and his men were echoing the teachings, if not the tactics, of the Wise Use movement: a conservative land-use doctrine that has been a part of the national discourse for nearly 30 years.
A successor to the Sagebrush Rebellion of the 1970s (itself a successor to the anti-national parks Boomers project of the early 1900s), Wise Use answers the question of who should own the West by granting moral primacy to natural resource companies and to logging and ranching families like the Bundys, some of which have worked the land since the pioneer expansion.
Though composed of many activists and scores of organizations, Wise Use found its voice in the late 1980s when a timber industry adviser named Ron Arnold published The Wise Use Agenda. The manifesto offered an expansive plan to gut environmental regulation, increase private ownership of public land and compel the federal government to open its holdings to mining, oil and logging companies and to the unrestricted use of off-road vehicles...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/opinion/sunday/the-ideological-roots-of-the-oregon-standoff.html?_r=1
IT is tempting to dismiss the antigovernment gunmen who took control of an animal refuge in Oregon on Jan. 2 as fanatics working at the fringes of American politics. But if the methods used by the rancher Ammon Bundy to seize the federal property were radical, the ideological roots of the operation were somewhat more mainstream.
By storming the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and vowing to return it by force of arms, if necessary to the people of Harney County, Mr. Bundy and his men were echoing the teachings, if not the tactics, of the Wise Use movement: a conservative land-use doctrine that has been a part of the national discourse for nearly 30 years.
A successor to the Sagebrush Rebellion of the 1970s (itself a successor to the anti-national parks Boomers project of the early 1900s), Wise Use answers the question of who should own the West by granting moral primacy to natural resource companies and to logging and ranching families like the Bundys, some of which have worked the land since the pioneer expansion.
Though composed of many activists and scores of organizations, Wise Use found its voice in the late 1980s when a timber industry adviser named Ron Arnold published The Wise Use Agenda. The manifesto offered an expansive plan to gut environmental regulation, increase private ownership of public land and compel the federal government to open its holdings to mining, oil and logging companies and to the unrestricted use of off-road vehicles...
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Exactly! The Koch empire and similar would love it privatized, then they can take it all over.
RKP5637
Jan 2016
#86
They go after the soft targets to exercise authority! Black people, brown people, OWS, LGBT and
RKP5637
Jan 2016
#78
There's something going on, far far more than we are being told. It's weird and concerning. n/t
RKP5637
Jan 2016
#84
What's also strange is how it's ignored by MSM. OWS beatings were non-stop coverage. This, gets
RKP5637
Jan 2016
#88
So, are they saying that if we want to successfully demonstrate, we can carry guns and we will never
world wide wally
Jan 2016
#2
This is a very interesting question. It seems they have essentially taken themselves hostage,
enough
Jan 2016
#8
There is something going on and the citizens are not being told. They may have and I missed
RKP5637
Jan 2016
#92
I get the same impression that there is more connection and protection going on behind the scenes.
Ford_Prefect
Jan 2016
#10
there is no standoff. they come and go as they please do what they want with the blessing of
msongs
Jan 2016
#11
I did not call you a conspiracy theorist...but this whole concept of big money
passiveporcupine
Jan 2016
#99
While it is not fair that POC with guns and liberal activists without guns are treated differently
passiveporcupine
Jan 2016
#91
They are trying to prevent another Waco, which has been a rallying cry for the nutball set ever
stevenleser
Jan 2016
#32
First, it was supposed to be winter. Now it's going to be spring? By then, they will have...
ChisolmTrailDem
Jan 2016
#128
Not only that but now they are bulldozing Native American sites and looting.
blackspade
Jan 2016
#69
If you were a law enforcement official, bona fide, the real deal, what would you propose?
underahedgerow
Jan 2016
#120
Cut off their water supply, food and electricity. Road blocks so nobody can go in or out.
Rex
Jan 2016
#122
At what risk though? Do you want good, decent law enforcement people to be put at genuine
underahedgerow
Jan 2016
#133
So the risk of letting them do what they want is less a risk than them building up into an army?
Rex
Jan 2016
#136
Please edit out the word Oregon from the OP. Thanks from everyone in Oregon. #BundyTeaParty
L. Coyote
Jan 2016
#121