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anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
189. Because evidence suggests that they don't need it as badly
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:52 PM
Feb 2016

Being against this requires pretending there's no such thing as structural racism that severely damages the prospects of young black men. As long as this is an optional choice I am fully in favor of it being available.

This is optional, not mandatory. Behind the Aegis Jan 2016 #1
I was an RA too JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #5
I rose through the ranks and go a M. Ed. in university housing. Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #131
It seems perfectly natural. delrem Jan 2016 #2
Good idea JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #3
Great program Recursion Jan 2016 #4
Me too! n/t JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #6
It's interesting how nobody complains about the nursing majors, or crew participants, or whatever Recursion Jan 2016 #9
I think that's a poor comparison. Those are students drawn together by common cali Jan 2016 #10
Black men don't have common interests? Recursion Jan 2016 #11
Oh c'mon. This is race based. Period. I have no problem with it cali Jan 2016 #13
Yeah, and? Recursion Jan 2016 #14
Why is that a problem for you- it literally is a common interest, or did that fly over your head? bettyellen Jan 2016 #53
Can we have a whites only dorm as well? Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #26
Are any students asking for one? Recursion Jan 2016 #27
If white students see that university enforced blacks-only dorms are permitted, Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #30
Actually you can be in favor of one but not the other mythology Jan 2016 #45
Goose Gander? nt clarice Jan 2016 #50
The right question is JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #46
I think it is a good idea but I sure do like this article about it from U Conn's own paper Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #7
Great point (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #8
A Google search brings up a few rt, Fox News and other similar sources with only the Daily Campus Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #12
Yeah, that's in the original, too: it's a scholarship group Recursion Jan 2016 #15
ScHOLA2RS is the name - what's the meaning? Hard to read it, too wordpix Jan 2016 #63
Homogenous clubs and frats doesn't seem to have hurt white students too much. nt bemildred Jan 2016 #16
People should be allowed to voluntarily self segregate. frizzled Jan 2016 #17
That's not really the issue here. branford Jan 2016 #18
The dorm is 200,000 sq feet, housing hundreds of students of all sorts, this is a section of a floor Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #19
The same legal rules would apply branford Jan 2016 #20
I think women of color or white should stand up, too wordpix Jan 2016 #65
"People should be allowed to voluntarily self segregate" Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #31
I see no reason to tell people who they should want to live with. frizzled Jan 2016 #32
But are you OK with the authorities not allowing people of particular races Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #33
If by the authorities you mean democratically accountable government frizzled Jan 2016 #35
So if a town council democratically votes to divide its town-owned public housing Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #36
I'd respect their decision. I'm not sure why you wouldn't. frizzled Jan 2016 #38
Here's a question, should realtors be able to discriminate based on race? n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #42
Here's a question, do you think they don't already? frizzled Jan 2016 #56
Yes, of course, that doesn't make it right, it sounds to me like you want to overturn... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #76
Wait, hold the phone. You support segregation by race in housing?!? Did you land on the wrong site? X_Digger Jan 2016 #127
You think this just happened? gollygee Jan 2016 #49
I'm trying to figure out JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #132
If black males themselves are requesting it and it is voluntary I think it's great. CTyankee Jan 2016 #21
+1 JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #44
if learning is the issue, why not open to all who need learning-enhanced housing? wordpix Jan 2016 #57
because each would benefit from having their own ethnic grouping. That's fine. CTyankee Jan 2016 #59
IMO, there's no benefit to "ethnic grouping" re: making a learning env't available wordpix Jan 2016 #60
Not everbody will want that kind of housing and they still could go into the mixed dorms. CTyankee Jan 2016 #62
sometimes you have to be uncomfortable wordpix Jan 2016 #67
my husband said that at UCONN the team members are together, regardless of race. CTyankee Jan 2016 #75
Isn't such reasoning the very antithesis of the purported benefits of diversity, branford Jan 2016 #70
UConn has lowest grad rate among Top 25 teams KamaAina Feb 2016 #140
while the women's team is still fabulous and their graduation rate is excellent... CTyankee Feb 2016 #144
Oh hell yeah! KamaAina Feb 2016 #145
The women's team did a LOT for women's sports in this country. I loved their ascent and CTyankee Feb 2016 #146
And for men's sports in Storrs KamaAina Feb 2016 #147
oh, god, too much sports stuff for me...you and my hubby could go on and on about CTyankee Feb 2016 #148
If African American males specifically have learning issues unique to them Bradical79 Feb 2016 #149
Bringing back racial segegation in 2016? Disgusting. Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #22
It's called freedom of association. frizzled Jan 2016 #24
No, the university is building housing only open to those of a particular race. Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #25
The university wouldn't do this if there wasn't the demand. frizzled Jan 2016 #28
If the students are demanding university-enforced racially segregated housing, Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #29
The university has no right to deny them freedom to associate. frizzled Jan 2016 #34
Even if a majority of the students wanted "separate but equal" racially segregated housing, Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #37
How very democratic and not at all Soviet of you frizzled Jan 2016 #39
If a majority of the citizens of Mississippi had wanted to keep the Jim Crow laws, Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #40
Free clue: Five guys of the same race renting a 5 bedroom apartment is free association. X_Digger Jan 2016 #128
Should that right be extended to places of employment? n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #43
Yes. It is already, in practise. frizzled Jan 2016 #55
So you are basically advocating for a return to the world of the 1950s, Jim Crow and all? Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #77
I'm probably a lot further left than you frizzled Jan 2016 #82
Or people can just grow the fuck up and learn to get along XemaSab Jan 2016 #117
My honest assessment, you seem to have a complete lack of understanding of society... Humanist_Activist Feb 2016 #129
+1000 nt clarice Jan 2016 #51
I don't see those as the same thing Bradical79 Feb 2016 #150
The legal burdens for the government to impose race-based restrictions, branford Feb 2016 #166
Russia Today? oberliner Jan 2016 #23
I hope after the elections the race baiting will stop. Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2016 #41
Me too but it wont Liberal_in_LA Jan 2016 #71
Segregation now, tomorrow and forever LittleBlue Jan 2016 #47
Yup. nt clarice Jan 2016 #52
I'm with you wordpix Jan 2016 #61
These types of programs have been shown to improve graduation rates. Iris Jan 2016 #118
Link to where racially segregating student housing improves graduation rates? Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #162
More Safe Space bullshit where you don't have to face the chance... TipTok Jan 2016 #48
that's just silly. they will have their basic freshman year class load and interact with lots CTyankee Jan 2016 #64
There is a difference between the folks you have class with... TipTok Jan 2016 #66
Some colleges have difficult course loads for new freshmen and then there are all the CTyankee Jan 2016 #69
Not in the learning community model. Iris Jan 2016 #119
as one with a career teaching students in learning centers wordpix Jan 2016 #54
UConn has more than one learning community. You can see the list here - Iris Jan 2016 #121
Why did you do that? Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #130
I'm going to leave this here JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #133
Exactly. Iris Feb 2016 #139
Just sorry I got here so late! Iris Feb 2016 #138
I don't see why this is not okay if it is what the students jwirr Jan 2016 #58
i don't like it that there needs to be something like this JI7 Jan 2016 #68
It's weird that the biggest arguments against this in the thread are gollygee Jan 2016 #72
Or 3. It's segregation repackaged in progressive wrapping LittleBlue Jan 2016 #73
So, you are opposed to HBCUs, as well? kwassa Jan 2016 #79
Nope. They don't ban certain races. Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #81
Was I talking to you? kwassa Jan 2016 #84
I didn't realize that was a private conversation. Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #85
I was asking LittleBlue's personal opinion. kwassa Jan 2016 #88
LOL LittleBlue Jan 2016 #93
LOL kwassa Jan 2016 #96
White people attend HBCUs. Most HBCUs are a waste of money IMHO LittleBlue Jan 2016 #91
So, you don't like HCBUs. Thank you. kwassa Jan 2016 #94
I don't like or dislike them LittleBlue Jan 2016 #95
Very few do. kwassa Jan 2016 #97
Bluefield State is an HBCU that is 90% white LittleBlue Jan 2016 #99
You sound like a white guy ... kwassa Jan 2016 #105
I support the work they did in the past LittleBlue Jan 2016 #112
I think the "biggest argument" is that forced racial segregation is wrong. Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #74
Identify the force involved kwassa Jan 2016 #78
Ummm.... the fact that a white or Asian student would not be permitted to live there? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #80
The segregation is by choice, not force. kwassa Jan 2016 #83
Well, the phrase "Black men only" in the OP kind of suggested that. (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #86
Nye, self-identify as African-American, and you're in. kwassa Jan 2016 #89
OK, so not really "segregation" as such, Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #90
You miss the larger point ... kwassa Jan 2016 #92
The argument that black people actually benefit by being segregated from white people Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #100
You still miss the larger point. kwassa Jan 2016 #106
Segregated housing will improve their graduation rates? Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #107
You miss any point, apparently. kwassa Jan 2016 #111
I don't think I've ever seen quite so many pro-segregation arguments advanced Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #113
I don't think I have ever seen so much ignorance kwassa Jan 2016 #115
It's deliberate ignorance JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #141
Give me a fucking break. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #152
"Sorry Mike, you're the wrong race to live in room 23B" Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #155
O RLY? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #167
Nickelback? branford Feb 2016 #172
You are totally wrong, and in no position to make this judgment. kwassa Feb 2016 #186
I thought after the whole Rachel Dolezal incident... Dr. Strange Feb 2016 #136
Um some of us JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #142
The enemy is white supremacy gollygee Feb 2016 #134
I thought college was about being exposed to ideas and people you *weren't* Marr Jan 2016 #87
College is about getting an education. kwassa Jan 2016 #98
Would resegregating public schools benefit black children, Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #101
Off-Topic diversion kwassa Jan 2016 #108
Not really. If segregation really and truly is helpful to black people, Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #109
The college isn't segregated. A residence is. kwassa Jan 2016 #114
^this^ Iris Jan 2016 #123
So you believe that *some* segregation is beneficial, Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #160
There has to be a constructive purpose for it ... kwassa Feb 2016 #184
black men are racially singled out for police abuse, discrimination in jobs , etc JI7 Jan 2016 #102
Some of us oppose all discrimination based upon skin color, Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #103
it's not the same thing, and the fact black men have to deal with these things JI7 Jan 2016 #104
And segregating their housing will help them in this regard? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #110
white people have already segregated black people into certain neighborhoods JI7 Jan 2016 #120
Yes. This is happening in a lot of areas in education based on evidence that it works. Iris Jan 2016 #124
While others recognize the relevant differences between safe spaces and segregation. LanternWaste Feb 2016 #135
For real Person 2713 Jan 2016 #116
I think some are missing an important point here - there is more than 1 learning community at UConn Iris Jan 2016 #122
What? Adding real information to an argument? kwassa Jan 2016 #126
I'm a librarian. I can't help myself! Iris Feb 2016 #137
There you go again! JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #143
Students choosing to live together because they share an interest in innovation, or human rights, Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #158
No, it's really not. You just want it to be. n/t Iris Feb 2016 #177
I Generally Oppose RobinA Jan 2016 #125
Yep. The claim that people somehow benefit when their contact with people of other races is reduced, Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #157
As a UConn grad: Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #151
Sex-segregated dorms, like sex-segregated locker rooms, are one thing, Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #156
Right... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #165
Let the students live wherever they want. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #168
Sex segregated housing is constitutionally permitted, branford Feb 2016 #170
Wow. That's fascinating. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #180
The size of the area racially segregated, the means of enforcement, branford Feb 2016 #182
I don't see anything wrong with this. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #153
Why exclude Native Americans, Asians, and whites, from the "scholar/leader program"? Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #159
I'm not "advocating" for anything TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #161
A scholar/leader program for disadvantaged students is a fine concept. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #163
Well, I do think I made it clear TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #164
Native Americans ARE ALREADY being discriminated against, and it's not by black men JI7 Feb 2016 #175
Not even when a student has been disadvantaged by race? kwassa Feb 2016 #187
Well...... would it be separate, but equal? (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #188
Because evidence suggests that they don't need it as badly anigbrowl Feb 2016 #189
this gives me a sad :( mwrguy Feb 2016 #154
ROFL gollygee Feb 2016 #176
Wonder if she knows what 'white tears' is a euphemism for? Lancero Feb 2016 #178
. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #179
We are going backwards. virgogal Feb 2016 #169
I wonder what the Divine Nine think about this. KamaAina Feb 2016 #171
Ironically, most traditionally black fraternities branford Feb 2016 #173
In that event, one or more of the frats could host ScHOLA2RS in their houses. KamaAina Feb 2016 #174
Whoa. romanic Feb 2016 #181
The arguments some have made above that segregation is good Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #183
No. It isn't actually. You make a false comparison. kwassa Feb 2016 #185
You're comparing involuntary segregation with a voluntary facility anigbrowl Feb 2016 #190
Would you be OK with a university having one building for whites only, Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #191
No, because white people are not structurally disadvantaged anigbrowl Feb 2016 #192
How about an Asians-only building? Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #193
Not playing this game anigbrowl Feb 2016 #194
Yep, defending this kind of thing does lead to some tricky, difficult-to-answer questions. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #196
I would simply note a belief that affirmative action programs branford Feb 2016 #195
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