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HappyinLA

(129 posts)
7. It's not a question of low wage or high wage
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

It's the type of economy. Economies grow and evolve. They go through stages. i.e. hunting, agriculture, manufacturing, service, information

The US has passed it's manufacturing stage (we're still #2 in the world though), is in it's service phase and quickly moving to information. We aren't going to see the return of the manufacturing stage, because frankly other countries can do it cheaper and always will. And as the global economy develops, it moves. So China might be firmly in their manufacturing stage now but in 50 years we could see a place like India or Vietnam, or a reborn North Korea as the leader.

But at the same time manufacturing is down globally. Everyone is dealing with it. It's down in Europe, it's down in Asia. Yet the US is still the second largest manufacturer in the world, at roughly $2 trillion in value added in manufacturing. First place is China at $2.7 trillion. But Japan is a distance 3rd at $917 billion. Mexico is 12th at $213 billion.

I think the biggest blow to pay rates, especially for union members, is the rise of the "right to work" and "non union" shit. My wife has run head first into that over the last 10 years as more and more jobs in her field have flat out flipped from union jobs with union rates to non-union or no-union-jurisdiction.

Overall I think the problem is that the global economy is equalizing out rates. And not even global, I just think we're at a point where the world has shrunk to where you find pay rates in places like NYC being in line with pay rates in Orlando. Where before it would vary due to local costs/taxes/etc. So now we in the US see pay go down, but someone in Vietnam sees it going up as things try to find a new equilibrium as the walls separating us go down (NAFTA/TPP/etc).

Sucks for us.

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Our expectations are really low [View all] nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 OP
K&R..... daleanime Feb 2016 #1
K & R ...... nt Wounded Bear Feb 2016 #2
There is no third way. It was temporary and died over a decade ago. Hortensis Feb 2016 #3
Yes there is one nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #4
As a movement it reached its zenith during Hortensis Feb 2016 #12
Well these days they might go by No Labels nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #13
Umhm. But where are they? People who want Hortensis Feb 2016 #15
Might be, but these guys have just changed spots nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #16
No. There is NO significant "third way" faction! Kaput! Hortensis Feb 2016 #17
Yet we have a third way candidate running for President nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #18
It is clear that that would require a whole paradigm shift. Hortensis Feb 2016 #21
What do you think would be a living wage dumbcat Feb 2016 #5
Since I do not have access to their economic numbers I do not know nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #6
A 4000 percent increase? dumbcat Feb 2016 #8
I am sure their owners would not nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #9
It's not a question of low wage or high wage HappyinLA Feb 2016 #7
AsI said, we have very low expectations nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #10
March to demand what? HappyinLA Feb 2016 #11
The way the global economy is taking shape nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #14
Trump has an answer. Unilateral walls and tariffs. Make the US an island against the world. pampango Feb 2016 #22
It is how the global economy is getting put together that will lead to revolutions nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #23
I am not sure how you 'put together a global economy' any better than FDR tried to do with his ITO pampango Feb 2016 #24
What will drive some of this will be global climate change nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #25
You will take your tiny house and like it Arazi Feb 2016 #19
On a whole separate matter, the tiny house movement nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #20
K&R! Thanks Nadin! haikugal Feb 2016 #26
Labor must put more effort into going global. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #27
I have made that precise point to labor leaders in both Mexico and the United States nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #28
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