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38. Hillary has no credibility on the TPP

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:38 AM

Feb 2016

Bernie has been pretty quiet about Clinton's behavior on the TPP, but a Donald Trump would eviscerate her on it.

All he would have to say is, "You called it the 'gold standard' you propped it up or said nothing during a time when you had the power to do something and you did nothing!" OMG, Hillary practically unravels when anyone dares to slightly challenge her. Trump would lob grenades to her face and he wouldn't mince words. He sure as hell won't say, "I'm tired of hearing about your damn emails!" He would be talking plenty about her emails.

Democrats are nice. Donald Trump, not so much.

One thing is true though--the majority of Americans (Dems/Repubs) are against the TPP. That is a piece of shit bit of legislation that every American knows will turn our country into a third-world landfill.

The right and the left hate that it would give such primitive countries control over US policies. The left hates it further, because it would gut environmental regulations and workplace safety and important labor standards.

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