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Albertoo

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18. Are victims always innocent?

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:01 PM

Mar 2016

If a guy in a Nazi uniform enters a meeting of the families of survivors of Auschwitz and gets beaten up, would you say the victim had no role in what happened to him?

Anyway, I'm not here to defend Trump and I took note of the info I was given after my initial post that the FU gesture was provoked by the taunt which fell on a sensitive spot.

Now, let's leave this issue and move on.

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That attack on the protester [View all] malaise Mar 2016 OP

They must be bigots too. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #1

They grabbed the poor victim malaise Mar 2016 #2

That was their racist giveaway. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #8

Many cops are authoritarians who cannot Hortensis Mar 2016 #44

Of course they were bigots. They should have arrested the elbow guy right there. eom Cleita Mar 2016 #28

In perfect motion as bigots, they throw the victim to the ground and force handcuffs on him. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #60

Wrong safeinOhio Mar 2016 #3

To be fair, the protester was not an innocent victim Albertoo Mar 2016 #4

According to his friend that FU was directed toward Donald who was insulting him. nolabear Mar 2016 #5

OK, so it's a bad chain of events Albertoo Mar 2016 #6

you can see why a hand gesture resulted in an assault G_j Mar 2016 #7

Crowds are excitable Albertoo Mar 2016 #11

assault is assault, a crime G_j Mar 2016 #12

That is academic Albertoo Mar 2016 #14

Simple cause and effect, yes bhikkhu Mar 2016 #22

word n/t OneGrassRoot Mar 2016 #88

So is inciting a riot. SusanaMontana41 Mar 2016 #76

Yes I suppose you could say Trump does G_j Mar 2016 #77

"I suppose"? SusanaMontana41 Mar 2016 #84

It was sarcasm. nt G_j Mar 2016 #85

Jeebus H. SusanaMontana41 Mar 2016 #86

no problem G_j Mar 2016 #87

They should. SusanaMontana41 Mar 2016 #89

Crowds are excitable. Sounds like something Trump would shrug and say Person 2713 Mar 2016 #40

So if someone insults you, you punch them? nolabear Mar 2016 #9

I wouldn't walk at a Nazi party rally and make FU gestures Albertoo Mar 2016 #10

I think I get where you are coming from. Kingofalldems Mar 2016 #15

Are victims always innocent? Albertoo Mar 2016 #18

You brought it up. Kingofalldems Mar 2016 #23

See post #18 Albertoo Mar 2016 #24

The un-American republican pos is arrested. rockfordfile Mar 2016 #38

I'll bet you also argue that the woman was raped because her clothes were too sexy Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #13

Two for the price of one: an ad hominem + a non sequitur Albertoo Mar 2016 #16

Flipping people off may not be smart, but it is NOT illegal. Punching people IS illegal Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #17

Theory vs practice. Crowds are excitable. Albertoo Mar 2016 #19

You could have fooled me. Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #20

Life is like a box of chocolates Albertoo Mar 2016 #21

Your theory about flipping the bird put the victim at fault justiceischeap Mar 2016 #39

Are you trying to scare me? Albertoo Mar 2016 #47

No - the poster is leftynyc Mar 2016 #51

Glad *someone* got it. SMH. nt justiceischeap Mar 2016 #58

You pretty much are, though. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2016 #50

What does 'theory vs practice' mean? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #57

Religious people always punch out people yep Person 2713 Mar 2016 #41

The sheriff disagrees with you, Hoss. Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #25

yep. indefensible. spanone Mar 2016 #27

Exactly. HuckleB Mar 2016 #29

See post #19 Albertoo Mar 2016 #31

A rest? Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #34

I already amended #4 in light of precision brought by #5 Albertoo Mar 2016 #35

I think you were speaking to me and not yourself. My horse only looks high because you're . . . . Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #37

What a classy answer from a self-appointed moral purity vigilante Albertoo Mar 2016 #45

So sayeth the victim blamer as he defends the indefensible. Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #48

Whatever, dude, you're the better guy Albertoo Mar 2016 #49

Stop talking to me and I will. Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #52

You like shouting matches, don't you? Albertoo Mar 2016 #61

And you can't let shit rest, can you? Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #64

Just following your lead Albertoo Mar 2016 #65

Not a straw man. You clearly blamed the victim. Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #66

I've been a waiter, I always tip Albertoo Mar 2016 #67

No, you said (and edited when you got smacked) that the victim was culpable Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #68

I haven't edited one single post on this thread, the smacks are in your head Albertoo Mar 2016 #69

. Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #70

No, Sir, no, the hole is yours Albertoo Mar 2016 #71

No Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #72

You started it Albertoo Mar 2016 #73

No, actually, you did. Victim shamer/blamer. Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #75

See post 72 and stop your slander Albertoo Mar 2016 #78

And another post in your tally Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #79

No wonder you reached 50,000 posts+ Albertoo Mar 2016 #80

Yeah, and all in 12 short years. Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #81

. Albertoo Mar 2016 #82

(00) Stinky The Clown Mar 2016 #83

ROFL malaise Mar 2016 #74

No moves left malaise Mar 2016 #43

Seriously? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #26

Post #19: real life vs aetheral principle Albertoo Mar 2016 #32

You're right in that mobs are scary and stupid Nevernose Mar 2016 #30

Agreed. And anyway, someone explained why the FU gesture was a reflex Albertoo Mar 2016 #33

Four cops bring him to the ground is "evacuating"? Interesting technique. nt TeamPooka Mar 2016 #36

Amazing indeed malaise Mar 2016 #42

Southern Justice. nt TeamPooka Mar 2016 #59

Happens in lots of crowd control situations, whatever the sides are Albertoo Mar 2016 #46

yes he was as that gesture is not enough treestar Mar 2016 #54

Blame the victim. IsItJustMe Mar 2016 #62

Read the thread Albertoo Mar 2016 #63

He has been arrested and charged with assault. cwydro Mar 2016 #53

The Legal Gang are like online "independents" and "apoliticals" . . . HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #55

+1,000 malaise Mar 2016 #56