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64. It's all part of the playbook...???

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Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:40 AM

Mar 2016

“Where am I controversial? When it comes to the use of military power,” he said. “That is the source of the controversy. There’s a playbook in Washington that presidents are supposed to follow. It’s a playbook that comes out of the foreign-policy establishment. And the playbook prescribes responses to different events, and these responses tend to be militarized responses. Where America is directly threatened, the playbook works. But the playbook can also be a trap that can lead to bad decisions. In the midst of an international challenge like Syria, you get judged harshly if you don’t follow the playbook, even if there are good reasons why it does not apply.”

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] left-of-center2012 Mar 2016 OP

It was an action led by our allies to prevent an ongoing atrocity. It was just. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #1

a misguided action....not the first time for Hillary virtualobserver Mar 2016 #2

In your opinion. I support our allies action in that case as well as our support. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #3

a failed state is not an achievement virtualobserver Mar 2016 #4

Stopping Gaddafi's rampage that was slaughtering thousands was a just action. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #5

I'm sure it is better now with parts of the country ruled by ISIS virtualobserver Mar 2016 #6

Terrorist's are everywhere. Gaddafi isn't. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #8

Right, so now instead of one dictator Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #32

Just like what happened in Iraq!! Roland99 Mar 2016 #89

It would be better if he was around. 840high Mar 2016 #100

Why is Team Shillary incapable of learning from mistakes? TheSarcastinator Mar 2016 #106

That's hindsight. MisterFred Mar 2016 #82

Some people have foresight......regime change without the total commitment..... virtualobserver Mar 2016 #84

Right. MisterFred Mar 2016 #87

A fucking lie. Proven as one. Led by the liars who paid Qaddafi opponents and polly7 Mar 2016 #12

excellent summary yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #85

Gaddafi Tells Rebel City, Benghazi, �We Will Show No Mercy� oberliner Mar 2016 #99

Complete and total bullshit. marmar Mar 2016 #20

It takes dictators to keep the fundies in line- Check Saudi Arabia- snooper2 Mar 2016 #23

Usually this long after a war AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #83

Led by "Our Allies"? FairWinds Mar 2016 #105

You support your allies when they are right Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #27

Hillary was right ! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #104

How do you compare the atrocities malaise Mar 2016 #7

It was a LIE, western funded and generated using western trained liars, butchers and polly7 Mar 2016 #9

It's important to remember that Robert Kagan, the founder of PNAC and the neocon movement CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #44

Thank you, CoffeeCat. +1000. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #46

.+1 840high Mar 2016 #101

Wrong the 'mass killings and rapes of civilians' by Libyan troop was a lie! 4139 Mar 2016 #13

You are right. polly7 Mar 2016 #14

It was a serial regime change operation planned and funded years in advance leveymg Mar 2016 #25

+1,000,000. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #36

a demonstrated falsehood that you'll no doubt cling to like a Pee Partier stupidicus Mar 2016 #72

Well known, and I did and do agree with her bhikkhu Mar 2016 #10

"doing nothing would have been worse" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #43

When has the United States EVER intervened in the Middle East/North Africa Maedhros Mar 2016 #107

She will forever remain a stain on your legacy, Mr. President. Is this who you are supporting today? thereismore Mar 2016 #11

And if they hadn't gone in leftynyc Mar 2016 #47

Qaddafi butchering his people was a lie, the numbers given to the UN by western trained polly7 Mar 2016 #51

Yes, it's much better now that ISIS is butchering people in Libya instead. jeff47 Mar 2016 #79

At least we can agree leftynyc Mar 2016 #81

Nope, there's other options. jeff47 Mar 2016 #91

Oh do feel free leftynyc Mar 2016 #103

Yes, Hillary AND Lil Debbie, both. merrily Mar 2016 #52

It's all Clinton has for foreign policy experience: war war war. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #15

I support Hillary's foreign policy goals. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #16

Good for you. polly7 Mar 2016 #17

What drama. You are entitled to your opinion but not your own set of facts.....LOL Trust Buster Mar 2016 #18

I don't see suffering as 'drama'. That's just sick. And, those are the FACTS. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #19

I like President Obama's foreign policy. If the world were only as simplistic as you think it is. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #22

John Kerry is an outstanding Secretary of State. Thank goodness he replaced Hillary the hawk... think Mar 2016 #26

He's following the President's policy just as Hillary did. You're trying to be cute by half. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #29

Yeah, that was most fortunate. n/t Herman4747 Mar 2016 #62

Yes, thank goodness he replaced Hillary the hawk. TryLogic Mar 2016 #96

'Simplistic' is believing any country has the right to rape and pillage another polly7 Mar 2016 #30

If only President Obama were as smart as you. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #33

If only you had a tiny bit of empathy. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #34

You make foreign sound so simple. It never is. Complaining isn't a solution. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #35

You have no business deciding on anything 'foreign', not sure why all the polly7 Mar 2016 #39

And you're an isolationist. Both extreme and unrealistic. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #53

No, I'm a humanist who doesn't believe the west has a right to the resources of polly7 Mar 2016 #60

Do you really think a presidential administration controls all those issues you listed ? Trust Buster Mar 2016 #65

I really think 'gov'ts' control these decisions. Did you miss that?? polly7 Mar 2016 #69

Please stop engaging this person Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #58

I don't like that lies about what and who cause human suffering around the world go unchallenged. nt polly7 Mar 2016 #66

I get it and I'm on your side. But you're not changing this person's mind Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #73

Thanks. You're right .... this person has no empathy, period. It's pointless, but I still polly7 Mar 2016 #75

You've made great points and a solid argument Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #78

Please stop trying to censor the communications of others. Speak for yourself. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #67

That poster wasn't trying to censor me, and I can speak for myself, thanks. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #70

I love yogurt with granola. How about you? Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #74

It's estimated that 30,000 Libyan refugees are pouring into Europe CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #49

Including Iraq? libtodeath Mar 2016 #42

Bush and Cheney were in power when Iraq was invaded. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #54

So,maybe she should have learned something. libtodeath Mar 2016 #68

She learned a lot, imho. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #71

BINGO! libtodeath Mar 2016 #80

I doubt you or very many at all know her true goals for the Middle East and Northern Africa. n/t A Simple Game Mar 2016 #94

I'm a Bernie supporter, and I will be voting for Hillary if she's the nominee, but..... marmar Mar 2016 #21

You're just not tolerant of differing opinions. I think President Obama's foreign policy is Trust Buster Mar 2016 #24

No, I'm not tolerant of foolish militarism..... marmar Mar 2016 #28

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I support the President's foreign policy. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #31

GOP neocon Robert Kagan, co-founder of PNAC was an adviser for SoS Clinton & he's endorsed her. think Mar 2016 #37

President Obama has been the Commander in Chief. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #38

So the title of Secretary of State means nothing and Obama told Hillary to hire Kagan's wife? think Mar 2016 #45

It's shameful that you treat President Obama as a puppet. Offensive actually. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #50

Where did I say anything of the sort? I'm pointing out that Hillary hired neocons. Not sure what think Mar 2016 #55

There is absolutely NO justification CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #56

Qaddafi's death might have something to do with this: desmiller Mar 2016 #40

Yes, it does make you wonder. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2016 #48

I'm voting for the guy who correctly predicted invading Iraq would de-stablize the entire ME. merrily Mar 2016 #57

^ THIS ^ think Mar 2016 #59

I tell you, people, it's the Kissinger influence... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #61

If he had just "donated" to the Clinton Protection Racket, er Foundation...... Fuddnik Mar 2016 #63

oooooo... sad but true yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #86

It's all part of the playbook...??? Deuce Mar 2016 #64

Ugh. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #76

She was not qualified to be SOS in the first place. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #77

As a Bernie supporter, I think this is another bogus attempt to make a mountain out of less than ... marble falls Mar 2016 #88

Sorry Mr. President. Lybia is worse now than before. You took bad advice. Paper Roses Mar 2016 #90

It's important to understand that Hillary was relying on BOGUS intel from Blumenthal.. grasswire Mar 2016 #92

Well, there goes the "just following orders" excuse. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #93

Isolationism rtracey Mar 2016 #95

"People die in wars..." Seems a like a helluva good idea to not participate in the killing. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #102

Probably why Cheney seems to like her PatrynXX Mar 2016 #97

Clinton's corporatism and militarism is the reason I support Bernie. lark Mar 2016 #98