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Z_California

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88. Like ALL "studies" of this kind

Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:02 PM

Apr 2016

nothing is proven other than CORRELATION. The authors of the study will be the first to tell you that there is no evidence that cannabis use CAUSES these results. It's very likely in my mind that the causation flows in the opposite direction, difficult life circumstances leads to the use of substances to cope. So absolutely no surprise in my mind that there is correlation between the two.

The problem is that the vast majority of people don't understand the difference between causation and correlation and the media doesn't make any effort to explain it when they splash studies like these on the headlines. We've had the same problem with nutritional "studies" for many many years and it has caused an obesity epidemic.

I'm sure the pharmaceutical industry is quite pleased with this "study" and will use it in any way they can, honestly or otherwise.

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Study finds marijuana not "safer" than alcohol [View all] True Earthling Apr 2016 OP

That's funny. I had economic and social problems long before I tried marijuana. nt killbotfactory Apr 2016 #1

Right? boobooday Apr 2016 #5

I thought bad things about the capitalist rat race killbotfactory Apr 2016 #66

Bet that study was funded by a repug think tank. brush Apr 2016 #205

Oh good, more hippie bashing. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #2

^ That. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #13

And nothing but that. bemildred Apr 2016 #17

Are you sure it's hippy-bashing? It's a scientific and peer-reviewed study. 21st Century Poet Apr 2016 #20

Go ahead and acknowledge anything you want, it's an opinion, not science. bemildred Apr 2016 #26

All medicines can have side effects. 21st Century Poet Apr 2016 #45

Indeed. If they did not do something, people would not want to take them. bemildred Apr 2016 #47

So if you are "lazy" you are more likely to smoke pot? True Earthling Apr 2016 #70

You want me to argue that hippie bashing is right? nt bemildred Apr 2016 #89

"hippie bashing" is your personal interpretation... True Earthling Apr 2016 #91

That works, or justification for their biases, or a good way to make a paycheck. bemildred Apr 2016 #92

Since we're on the subject of biases...would those same criticisms apply if the study was positive True Earthling Apr 2016 #99

Yes. It's all bullshit. It illuminates nothing and it compels nothing. bemildred Apr 2016 #108

The insincerity of comparing apples to oranges shows in this study. Rex Apr 2016 #105

You notice I didn't even bring up the "replication crisis". bemildred Apr 2016 #109

Comparing "apples to oranges" is not unusual for a research study True Earthling Apr 2016 #115

"All medicines can have side effects." KartBlanche Apr 2016 #198

wow, that sounds really scientific eShirl Apr 2016 #33

And teachers and lawyers, etc. roody Apr 2016 #41

Fund raisers, funeral directors... HuckleB Apr 2016 #124

And future presidents..... SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #171

I think that a normal mj smoker roody Apr 2016 #39

Agree 100% Runningdawg Apr 2016 #76

I concur 100%. Thank you, Runningdawg. callous taoboy Apr 2016 #120

Yes. Since the price of pot has plunged since CO, I use 1/4 oz of high test in +3 mos. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #213

Funny...posts dismissing the study because more people are killed from drunk driving True Earthling Apr 2016 #44

So aside from the huge health and safety issues with alcohol, none of which pot has, alcohol Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #155

How does the damage caused by marijuana compare to the damage caused by alcohol? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #50

Maybe not, but it is a biased study. Rex Apr 2016 #67

A good percentage of people smoke and do not get lung cancer... True Earthling Apr 2016 #74

I didn't say toss it aside, but comparing people that drink water to people that drink hard liquor Rex Apr 2016 #75

30 million can be wrong just as easily as one... True Earthling Apr 2016 #79

To control the masses? Ever read any history? Rex Apr 2016 #80

Who is trying to control who? True Earthling Apr 2016 #96

Then why push something that compares apples to oranges? Rex Apr 2016 #102

some of the highest performing people I know are weed smokers AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #85

The excerpt says "regular users" then says " Heavy, persistent use" dixiegrrrrl Apr 2016 #87

Good point. Regular use may be a joint/wk. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #214

Perfect example of junk science misapplied to cultural norms, opinions and schadenfreude Jemmons Apr 2016 #137

From UC Davis? LeftyMom Apr 2016 #177

Oooh hahaha JackInGreen Apr 2016 #3

Good jobs do require drug tests as far as I know astrophuss42 Apr 2016 #4

One thing I find amusing tymorial Apr 2016 #8

Or in politics, or law enforcement. nt killbotfactory Apr 2016 #18

Or the legal business. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #95

That is amusing. bemildred Apr 2016 #19

and i know 2 emergency room nurses who do the same Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #46

Yes, and that's why. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #49

Hospitals around here require drug tests for employees. ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 #42

There are flushes for that. Add that to a 6 week abstention and you pass. roody Apr 2016 #56

Interesting tymorial Apr 2016 #73

Florida ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 #159

Years ago in AR when my friends were in nursing school. roody Apr 2016 #216

My company tests people when they are being promoted. Mariana Apr 2016 #113

The study doesn't take into account the nonjudicial impact of illegality. kristopher Apr 2016 #144

Not white collar jobs, just the working poor get tested for drugs. Rex Apr 2016 #58

truth. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #86

I've been conducting that same study for almost 50 years panader0 Apr 2016 #6

What's the Richard Pryor joke? Recursion Apr 2016 #31

Hmm. Correlation is interesting, but one has to wonder if it's more about other factors. HuckleB Apr 2016 #7

just the word "linked" Kali Apr 2016 #10

The population of regular pot smokers jberryhill Apr 2016 #23

like piss tests for better jobs Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #48

Very good point. HuckleB Apr 2016 #127

Does it matter what their motivation is? True Earthling Apr 2016 #51

If the disorder is already there, it might be the cause for the behaviors in question. HuckleB Apr 2016 #122

does it matter that the "study" ignored health and safety issues? Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #153

I just glanced over the study and found something interesting right away Major Nikon Apr 2016 #52

Very good point 2naSalit Apr 2016 #61

Good point indeed! Jemmons Apr 2016 #139

Sorry, this is peer-reviewed SCIENCE!!! We must never question our betters in SCIENCE. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #119

You are correlating a single study with thousands of studies... HuckleB Apr 2016 #121

You accept the "SCIENCE" that supports your pro-Monsanto buddies. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #125

LOL! Keep showing us your ignorance of how science works. HuckleB Apr 2016 #130

Yeah, a registered Professional Engineer is "ignorant of how science works"....lol!!! U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #133

That does explain a lot. HuckleB Apr 2016 #138

Still refuse to show your credentials. We've played this song before...you lost. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #142

So evidence about the topic is not your thing. HuckleB Apr 2016 #145

I have provided peer-reviewed U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #160

Another confession. HuckleB Apr 2016 #174

I admit you lack even basic knowledge in U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #175

And the upside-down, inside-out attack confession continues... HuckleB Apr 2016 #181

The upside-down logic of a corporate. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #184

And now we get the pretending science is a corporate conspiracy routine. HuckleB Apr 2016 #191

It's not a conspiracy when I call out someone shilling for corporate U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #199

Yes, it is. HuckleB Apr 2016 #212

No, it's not a conspiracy when I have thousands of studies proving U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #215

I once worked for a company where the owner, a medical engineer, melted a plastic drum Thor_MN Apr 2016 #179

Yikes. HuckleB Apr 2016 #182

Cool story bro. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #183

Yeah, I know. Other day, I saw someone who didn't know what they were talking about, Thor_MN Apr 2016 #185

That's terrible, it must have made you very sad. Show me the thread, I would like to see U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #186

You seem to be very demanding of others. Thor_MN Apr 2016 #187

Oh no, my only wish is to get to the bottom of the case of the alleged expert. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #188

Goodnight, and goodbye. Thor_MN Apr 2016 #189

I see you've met my logical fallacy fan friend. HuckleB Apr 2016 #192

Meh, if s/he had anything to say, s/he might be fun. Thor_MN Apr 2016 #193

But that's irrefutable proof of something or another! HuckleB Apr 2016 #195

But there's peer reviewed BS and your missing credenza!!! Thor_MN Apr 2016 #196

I upset you...poor thing. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #200

Wow, you found him and didn't even notice... Thor_MN Apr 2016 #201

That couldn't be the expert, he was way too handsome U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #202

No one ever said he wasn't illogically vain as well... Thor_MN Apr 2016 #204

Who could blame him, I mean he IS very handsome. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #206

Have a good life. Thor_MN Apr 2016 #207

You as well. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #208

That was my first thought - ky_dem Apr 2016 #173

Four decades study conducted during four decades of flat and falling wages. Wilms Apr 2016 #9

Well ignoring the actual health consequences Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #11

Drunk. HassleCat Apr 2016 #29

Probably not, which is even more sad Major Nikon Apr 2016 #68

I dont think that all psychology research is rigorous and fail proof, but you misrepresent the Graun Jemmons Apr 2016 #140

OK, so it's just the 75% that are like this one Major Nikon Apr 2016 #157

Alcohol is legal but marijuana is not. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2016 #12

MM is legal in CA. maveric Apr 2016 #98

Even that wouldn't be compariable to Alcohol. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2016 #111

"Linked to" ... as a cause or an effect? GliderGuider Apr 2016 #14

exactly. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #24

That's just silly. Everyone knows that pot smokers are too lazy to get off the couch notadmblnd Apr 2016 #15

Potheads are usually unsuccessful losers. Nevernose Apr 2016 #69

I sure have enough of them in my family. Loss of vitality of life. Actually seem joyless after Jitter65 Apr 2016 #148

Did you miss the list of super successful potheads? Nevernose Apr 2016 #150

Nope, didn't miss it. Just know some long-term smokers in my family. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #151

This line: callous taoboy Apr 2016 #123

The one thing you'll never do on pot is have a blackout while driving and onecaliberal Apr 2016 #16

Or sleep with a creep. Or barf on things. Or start fights. Or... elehhhhna Apr 2016 #107

I call Faux pas Apr 2016 #21

Nothing quite like a "contrarian" viewpoint... sendero Apr 2016 #22

Reefer Madness lives !!! marmar Apr 2016 #25

compare deaths per year, cannabis vs. alcohol eShirl Apr 2016 #27

Well, duh! HassleCat Apr 2016 #28

Which came first, elleng Apr 2016 #30

that is a good question. edhopper Apr 2016 #34

I don't know if anyone wants to argue that there are not people for whom edhopper Apr 2016 #32

I don't think it's good for high school kids leftyladyfrommo Apr 2016 #35

You certainly can overdo it. bemildred Apr 2016 #112

Ya, eating can be a problem. leftyladyfrommo Apr 2016 #117

Pot helped me deal with high school and a fucked up, alcoholic home. callous taoboy Apr 2016 #126

Economic and social problems like these guys? GliderGuider Apr 2016 #36

Forgot cannabis_flower Apr 2016 #114

Also- Steve Jobs (also an acid head), and my favorite, Carl Sagan. callous taoboy Apr 2016 #129

Correlation == causation Oneironaut Apr 2016 #37

bull and shit spanone Apr 2016 #38

I think I'll continue this study. smiley Apr 2016 #40

5 years no alc for me too Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #53

Congrats to you too! smiley Apr 2016 #136

Good on you, Smiley. callous taoboy Apr 2016 #131

Thank you! smiley Apr 2016 #135

But it clearly states it is safer edhopper Apr 2016 #43

I will make $110,000 this year. MindPilot Apr 2016 #97

that part is questionable edhopper Apr 2016 #100

Junk science. The findings of this 'study' mean nothing. Avalux Apr 2016 #54

This isn't a study of physiological effects. Gormy Cuss Apr 2016 #60

My point exactly. Means nothing. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #63

LOL! Heavy use of anything will likely have an impact on the body and mind. Duh? Rex Apr 2016 #55

Horse Shit Politicalboi Apr 2016 #57

This is the type of studies Hillary and DWS pay attention to. B Calm Apr 2016 #59

People engaging in illegal activity suffer socially? Iggo Apr 2016 #62

Gee, ya think its 'cause its illegal? SalviaBlue Apr 2016 #64

did they talk to Willie Nelson about this? hobbit709 Apr 2016 #65

Actual admission of how bullshitty this is from link. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #71

People that drink Pepsi are less likely to end up in jail, then people that drink Old Milwaukee. Rex Apr 2016 #72

Load of crap Visionary Apr 2016 #77

Well comparing apples to oranges has always been the long con. Rex Apr 2016 #82

The article itself explicitly notes that the study ignored health and safety issues. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #152

A Tesla is one of the few cars I'd actually be interested in owning these days Fumesucker Apr 2016 #162

Yeah it was a poor choice of top gear. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #163

I'm still in favor of legalization seanjoycek476 Apr 2016 #78

Brought to you by the private prison and pharmaceutical industries. TIME TO PANIC Apr 2016 #81

Since when did pot cause liver damage? Even enough water can kill you. YOHABLO Apr 2016 #83

That's a bunch of psychobabble. Followed by complete bullshit. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #84

Like ALL "studies" of this kind Z_California Apr 2016 #88

I wonder if they adjusted for intellect? MindPilot Apr 2016 #90

+1 nt bemildred Apr 2016 #116

Right. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #93

Good data point Johnny2X2X Apr 2016 #94

I've been smoking since 1985 and I'm currently more well-off financially than I've ever been. arcane1 Apr 2016 #101

1968 here. I'm retired and sitting pretty good financially. B Calm Apr 2016 #128

I just read the study's analysis section - Question for you kristopher Apr 2016 #143

Fortunately, that was never a factor for me, but it easily could have been. arcane1 Apr 2016 #146

I've seen a lot of people drift towards employment where testing is rare. kristopher Apr 2016 #147

So to be fair you'd have to compare gollygee Apr 2016 #103

Downward social mobility? Warpy Apr 2016 #104

It is a disingenuous study that will be pushed by people that willingly ignore comparing Rex Apr 2016 #106

I am a heavy smoker Cartoonist Apr 2016 #110

That is so true. nt leftyladyfrommo Apr 2016 #118

If I was a chronic alcoholic for 40 years pbmus Apr 2016 #132

My mother died at 49. She was an alcoholic all her adult life. B Calm Apr 2016 #134

Sorry for your loss in so many ways pbmus Apr 2016 #141

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #149

Duh! I always have trouble selecting a breakfast wine or I'd probably be drunk every morning! brewens Apr 2016 #154

You mean pot smoking doesn't help people moondust Apr 2016 #156

At least they are alive to have social and economic problems. .. AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #158

I saw this study several months back and SMH Tsiyu Apr 2016 #161

+1 great post! B Calm Apr 2016 #164

They also explicitly ignored the very real health and safety issues with alcohol in order to Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #165

Exactly! Iggo Apr 2016 #166

Brought to you by Anheuser-Busch. This bud's for you. callous taoboy Apr 2016 #167

And it pairs so well with Tsiyu Apr 2016 #168

Read the paper. Turns out both bud and Bud will crimp your earning capacity jmowreader Apr 2016 #210

Two alcoholic woman friends recently died (one 45 and one 56) of cirrhosis - so sad. womanofthehills Apr 2016 #169

That's not what the study "found". And it's a ridiculous assertion. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #170

If New Zealand didn't want to encourange pot smoking, they shouldnt have shot the LOTR movies there. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #172

Question is whether people use cannabis regularly because theyBut i have economic and social and JDPriestly Apr 2016 #176

Party pooper. dchill Apr 2016 #178

One of those threads where you only need to read the title to know exactly what the discussion hughee99 Apr 2016 #180

One of those threads where you know the title is a lie before clicking on it Fumesucker Apr 2016 #190

Well, only one thing to do then: Ban alcohol as well NickB79 Apr 2016 #194

"We have plenty of grass, and as we all know . . . Strelnikov_ Apr 2016 #197

Funded by the alcohol industry.... Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #203

Here's the study paper, and it's kinda interesting jmowreader Apr 2016 #209

Who gives a shit? It's your body. I don't smoke weed, should be legal. Hell oxycodone and cocaine MillennialDem Apr 2016 #211