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153. does it matter that the "study" ignored health and safety issues?

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Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:44 PM

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Study finds marijuana not "safer" than alcohol [View all] True Earthling Apr 2016 OP

That's funny. I had economic and social problems long before I tried marijuana. nt killbotfactory Apr 2016 #1

Right? boobooday Apr 2016 #5

I thought bad things about the capitalist rat race killbotfactory Apr 2016 #66

Bet that study was funded by a repug think tank. brush Apr 2016 #205

Oh good, more hippie bashing. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #2

^ That. GliderGuider Apr 2016 #13

And nothing but that. bemildred Apr 2016 #17

Are you sure it's hippy-bashing? It's a scientific and peer-reviewed study. 21st Century Poet Apr 2016 #20

Go ahead and acknowledge anything you want, it's an opinion, not science. bemildred Apr 2016 #26

All medicines can have side effects. 21st Century Poet Apr 2016 #45

Indeed. If they did not do something, people would not want to take them. bemildred Apr 2016 #47

So if you are "lazy" you are more likely to smoke pot? True Earthling Apr 2016 #70

You want me to argue that hippie bashing is right? nt bemildred Apr 2016 #89

"hippie bashing" is your personal interpretation... True Earthling Apr 2016 #91

That works, or justification for their biases, or a good way to make a paycheck. bemildred Apr 2016 #92

Since we're on the subject of biases...would those same criticisms apply if the study was positive True Earthling Apr 2016 #99

Yes. It's all bullshit. It illuminates nothing and it compels nothing. bemildred Apr 2016 #108

The insincerity of comparing apples to oranges shows in this study. Rex Apr 2016 #105

You notice I didn't even bring up the "replication crisis". bemildred Apr 2016 #109

Comparing "apples to oranges" is not unusual for a research study True Earthling Apr 2016 #115

"All medicines can have side effects." KartBlanche Apr 2016 #198

wow, that sounds really scientific eShirl Apr 2016 #33

And teachers and lawyers, etc. roody Apr 2016 #41

Fund raisers, funeral directors... HuckleB Apr 2016 #124

And future presidents..... SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #171

I think that a normal mj smoker roody Apr 2016 #39

Agree 100% Runningdawg Apr 2016 #76

I concur 100%. Thank you, Runningdawg. callous taoboy Apr 2016 #120

Yes. Since the price of pot has plunged since CO, I use 1/4 oz of high test in +3 mos. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #213

Funny...posts dismissing the study because more people are killed from drunk driving True Earthling Apr 2016 #44

So aside from the huge health and safety issues with alcohol, none of which pot has, alcohol Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #155

How does the damage caused by marijuana compare to the damage caused by alcohol? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #50

Maybe not, but it is a biased study. Rex Apr 2016 #67

A good percentage of people smoke and do not get lung cancer... True Earthling Apr 2016 #74

I didn't say toss it aside, but comparing people that drink water to people that drink hard liquor Rex Apr 2016 #75

30 million can be wrong just as easily as one... True Earthling Apr 2016 #79

To control the masses? Ever read any history? Rex Apr 2016 #80

Who is trying to control who? True Earthling Apr 2016 #96

Then why push something that compares apples to oranges? Rex Apr 2016 #102

some of the highest performing people I know are weed smokers AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #85

The excerpt says "regular users" then says " Heavy, persistent use" dixiegrrrrl Apr 2016 #87

Good point. Regular use may be a joint/wk. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #214

Perfect example of junk science misapplied to cultural norms, opinions and schadenfreude Jemmons Apr 2016 #137

From UC Davis? LeftyMom Apr 2016 #177

Oooh hahaha JackInGreen Apr 2016 #3

Good jobs do require drug tests as far as I know astrophuss42 Apr 2016 #4

One thing I find amusing tymorial Apr 2016 #8

Or in politics, or law enforcement. nt killbotfactory Apr 2016 #18

Or the legal business. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #95

That is amusing. bemildred Apr 2016 #19

and i know 2 emergency room nurses who do the same Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #46

Yes, and that's why. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #49

Hospitals around here require drug tests for employees. ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 #42

There are flushes for that. Add that to a 6 week abstention and you pass. roody Apr 2016 #56

Interesting tymorial Apr 2016 #73

Florida ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 #159

Years ago in AR when my friends were in nursing school. roody Apr 2016 #216

My company tests people when they are being promoted. Mariana Apr 2016 #113

The study doesn't take into account the nonjudicial impact of illegality. kristopher Apr 2016 #144

Not white collar jobs, just the working poor get tested for drugs. Rex Apr 2016 #58

truth. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #86

I've been conducting that same study for almost 50 years panader0 Apr 2016 #6

What's the Richard Pryor joke? Recursion Apr 2016 #31

Hmm. Correlation is interesting, but one has to wonder if it's more about other factors. HuckleB Apr 2016 #7

just the word "linked" Kali Apr 2016 #10

The population of regular pot smokers jberryhill Apr 2016 #23

like piss tests for better jobs Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #48

Very good point. HuckleB Apr 2016 #127

Does it matter what their motivation is? True Earthling Apr 2016 #51

If the disorder is already there, it might be the cause for the behaviors in question. HuckleB Apr 2016 #122

does it matter that the "study" ignored health and safety issues? Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #153

I just glanced over the study and found something interesting right away Major Nikon Apr 2016 #52

Very good point 2naSalit Apr 2016 #61

Good point indeed! Jemmons Apr 2016 #139

Sorry, this is peer-reviewed SCIENCE!!! We must never question our betters in SCIENCE. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #119

You are correlating a single study with thousands of studies... HuckleB Apr 2016 #121

You accept the "SCIENCE" that supports your pro-Monsanto buddies. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #125

LOL! Keep showing us your ignorance of how science works. HuckleB Apr 2016 #130

Yeah, a registered Professional Engineer is "ignorant of how science works"....lol!!! U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #133

That does explain a lot. HuckleB Apr 2016 #138

Still refuse to show your credentials. We've played this song before...you lost. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #142

So evidence about the topic is not your thing. HuckleB Apr 2016 #145

I have provided peer-reviewed U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #160

Another confession. HuckleB Apr 2016 #174

I admit you lack even basic knowledge in U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #175

And the upside-down, inside-out attack confession continues... HuckleB Apr 2016 #181

The upside-down logic of a corporate. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #184

And now we get the pretending science is a corporate conspiracy routine. HuckleB Apr 2016 #191

It's not a conspiracy when I call out someone shilling for corporate U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #199

Yes, it is. HuckleB Apr 2016 #212

No, it's not a conspiracy when I have thousands of studies proving U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #215

I once worked for a company where the owner, a medical engineer, melted a plastic drum Thor_MN Apr 2016 #179

Yikes. HuckleB Apr 2016 #182

Cool story bro. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #183

Yeah, I know. Other day, I saw someone who didn't know what they were talking about, Thor_MN Apr 2016 #185

That's terrible, it must have made you very sad. Show me the thread, I would like to see U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #186

You seem to be very demanding of others. Thor_MN Apr 2016 #187

Oh no, my only wish is to get to the bottom of the case of the alleged expert. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #188

Goodnight, and goodbye. Thor_MN Apr 2016 #189

I see you've met my logical fallacy fan friend. HuckleB Apr 2016 #192

Meh, if s/he had anything to say, s/he might be fun. Thor_MN Apr 2016 #193

But that's irrefutable proof of something or another! HuckleB Apr 2016 #195

But there's peer reviewed BS and your missing credenza!!! Thor_MN Apr 2016 #196

I upset you...poor thing. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #200

Wow, you found him and didn't even notice... Thor_MN Apr 2016 #201

That couldn't be the expert, he was way too handsome U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #202

No one ever said he wasn't illogically vain as well... Thor_MN Apr 2016 #204

Who could blame him, I mean he IS very handsome. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #206

Have a good life. Thor_MN Apr 2016 #207

You as well. U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #208

That was my first thought - ky_dem Apr 2016 #173

Four decades study conducted during four decades of flat and falling wages. Wilms Apr 2016 #9

Well ignoring the actual health consequences Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #11

Drunk. HassleCat Apr 2016 #29

Probably not, which is even more sad Major Nikon Apr 2016 #68

I dont think that all psychology research is rigorous and fail proof, but you misrepresent the Graun Jemmons Apr 2016 #140

OK, so it's just the 75% that are like this one Major Nikon Apr 2016 #157

Alcohol is legal but marijuana is not. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2016 #12

MM is legal in CA. maveric Apr 2016 #98

Even that wouldn't be compariable to Alcohol. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2016 #111

"Linked to" ... as a cause or an effect? GliderGuider Apr 2016 #14

exactly. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #24

That's just silly. Everyone knows that pot smokers are too lazy to get off the couch notadmblnd Apr 2016 #15

Potheads are usually unsuccessful losers. Nevernose Apr 2016 #69

I sure have enough of them in my family. Loss of vitality of life. Actually seem joyless after Jitter65 Apr 2016 #148

Did you miss the list of super successful potheads? Nevernose Apr 2016 #150

Nope, didn't miss it. Just know some long-term smokers in my family. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #151

This line: callous taoboy Apr 2016 #123

The one thing you'll never do on pot is have a blackout while driving and onecaliberal Apr 2016 #16

Or sleep with a creep. Or barf on things. Or start fights. Or... elehhhhna Apr 2016 #107

I call Faux pas Apr 2016 #21

Nothing quite like a "contrarian" viewpoint... sendero Apr 2016 #22

Reefer Madness lives !!! marmar Apr 2016 #25

compare deaths per year, cannabis vs. alcohol eShirl Apr 2016 #27

Well, duh! HassleCat Apr 2016 #28

Which came first, elleng Apr 2016 #30

that is a good question. edhopper Apr 2016 #34

I don't know if anyone wants to argue that there are not people for whom edhopper Apr 2016 #32

I don't think it's good for high school kids leftyladyfrommo Apr 2016 #35

You certainly can overdo it. bemildred Apr 2016 #112

Ya, eating can be a problem. leftyladyfrommo Apr 2016 #117

Pot helped me deal with high school and a fucked up, alcoholic home. callous taoboy Apr 2016 #126

Economic and social problems like these guys? GliderGuider Apr 2016 #36

Forgot cannabis_flower Apr 2016 #114

Also- Steve Jobs (also an acid head), and my favorite, Carl Sagan. callous taoboy Apr 2016 #129

Correlation == causation Oneironaut Apr 2016 #37

bull and shit spanone Apr 2016 #38

I think I'll continue this study. smiley Apr 2016 #40

5 years no alc for me too Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #53

Congrats to you too! smiley Apr 2016 #136

Good on you, Smiley. callous taoboy Apr 2016 #131

Thank you! smiley Apr 2016 #135

But it clearly states it is safer edhopper Apr 2016 #43

I will make $110,000 this year. MindPilot Apr 2016 #97

that part is questionable edhopper Apr 2016 #100

Junk science. The findings of this 'study' mean nothing. Avalux Apr 2016 #54

This isn't a study of physiological effects. Gormy Cuss Apr 2016 #60

My point exactly. Means nothing. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #63

LOL! Heavy use of anything will likely have an impact on the body and mind. Duh? Rex Apr 2016 #55

Horse Shit Politicalboi Apr 2016 #57

This is the type of studies Hillary and DWS pay attention to. B Calm Apr 2016 #59

People engaging in illegal activity suffer socially? Iggo Apr 2016 #62

Gee, ya think its 'cause its illegal? SalviaBlue Apr 2016 #64

did they talk to Willie Nelson about this? hobbit709 Apr 2016 #65

Actual admission of how bullshitty this is from link. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #71

People that drink Pepsi are less likely to end up in jail, then people that drink Old Milwaukee. Rex Apr 2016 #72

Load of crap Visionary Apr 2016 #77

Well comparing apples to oranges has always been the long con. Rex Apr 2016 #82

The article itself explicitly notes that the study ignored health and safety issues. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #152

A Tesla is one of the few cars I'd actually be interested in owning these days Fumesucker Apr 2016 #162

Yeah it was a poor choice of top gear. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #163

I'm still in favor of legalization seanjoycek476 Apr 2016 #78

Brought to you by the private prison and pharmaceutical industries. TIME TO PANIC Apr 2016 #81

Since when did pot cause liver damage? Even enough water can kill you. YOHABLO Apr 2016 #83

That's a bunch of psychobabble. Followed by complete bullshit. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #84

Like ALL "studies" of this kind Z_California Apr 2016 #88

I wonder if they adjusted for intellect? MindPilot Apr 2016 #90

+1 nt bemildred Apr 2016 #116

Right. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #93

Good data point Johnny2X2X Apr 2016 #94

I've been smoking since 1985 and I'm currently more well-off financially than I've ever been. arcane1 Apr 2016 #101

1968 here. I'm retired and sitting pretty good financially. B Calm Apr 2016 #128

I just read the study's analysis section - Question for you kristopher Apr 2016 #143

Fortunately, that was never a factor for me, but it easily could have been. arcane1 Apr 2016 #146

I've seen a lot of people drift towards employment where testing is rare. kristopher Apr 2016 #147

So to be fair you'd have to compare gollygee Apr 2016 #103

Downward social mobility? Warpy Apr 2016 #104

It is a disingenuous study that will be pushed by people that willingly ignore comparing Rex Apr 2016 #106

I am a heavy smoker Cartoonist Apr 2016 #110

That is so true. nt leftyladyfrommo Apr 2016 #118

If I was a chronic alcoholic for 40 years pbmus Apr 2016 #132

My mother died at 49. She was an alcoholic all her adult life. B Calm Apr 2016 #134

Sorry for your loss in so many ways pbmus Apr 2016 #141

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #149

Duh! I always have trouble selecting a breakfast wine or I'd probably be drunk every morning! brewens Apr 2016 #154

You mean pot smoking doesn't help people moondust Apr 2016 #156

At least they are alive to have social and economic problems. .. AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #158

I saw this study several months back and SMH Tsiyu Apr 2016 #161

+1 great post! B Calm Apr 2016 #164

They also explicitly ignored the very real health and safety issues with alcohol in order to Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #165

Exactly! Iggo Apr 2016 #166

Brought to you by Anheuser-Busch. This bud's for you. callous taoboy Apr 2016 #167

And it pairs so well with Tsiyu Apr 2016 #168

Read the paper. Turns out both bud and Bud will crimp your earning capacity jmowreader Apr 2016 #210

Two alcoholic woman friends recently died (one 45 and one 56) of cirrhosis - so sad. womanofthehills Apr 2016 #169

That's not what the study "found". And it's a ridiculous assertion. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #170

If New Zealand didn't want to encourange pot smoking, they shouldnt have shot the LOTR movies there. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #172

Question is whether people use cannabis regularly because theyBut i have economic and social and JDPriestly Apr 2016 #176

Party pooper. dchill Apr 2016 #178

One of those threads where you only need to read the title to know exactly what the discussion hughee99 Apr 2016 #180

One of those threads where you know the title is a lie before clicking on it Fumesucker Apr 2016 #190

Well, only one thing to do then: Ban alcohol as well NickB79 Apr 2016 #194

"We have plenty of grass, and as we all know . . . Strelnikov_ Apr 2016 #197

Funded by the alcohol industry.... Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #203

Here's the study paper, and it's kinda interesting jmowreader Apr 2016 #209

Who gives a shit? It's your body. I don't smoke weed, should be legal. Hell oxycodone and cocaine MillennialDem Apr 2016 #211