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laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
64. I agree
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:51 AM
Apr 2016

We are trying this little experiment at my workplace right now and it is failing big time (although it's not some grand social experiment, my company is just to cheap to supply the minimum amount of restrooms they should be supplying according to labor laws, but I digress...)

There are a bunch of us that share 1 bathroom - women outnumber the men 3 to 1.

I say until all other things in society are equal - where men grow up valuing learning to clean up after themselves and not having females in their lives do it for them - I prefer the separate bathrooms. While many of the men are just fine, a majority still refuse to clean up after themselves despite meetings, warnings and signs in the bathrooms about cleanliness. There is constantly feces inside the bowl, urine all over the seat, even liquid feces all over the seat, pubes on all over the seat, water splashed everywhere. We are a smaller office so we know who the culprits are so we know it's several of the men and none of the women.

Don't get me wrong - women can sometimes be gross to but the order of magnitude does not compare. The women often talk of having to clean the bathroom before we can even 'go'. This is an office full of professionals with degrees. None of us women want to be having to clean up after the men and many of us see it as a sexist issue.

And then there is the time spent in the bathroom - when men go in to 'read a magazine' they will take up to 30 minutes. We have 1 bathroom and often some of us women will get tired of waiting and will run to the restaurant next door to use their facilities (they allow us because we spend a ton of money at lunchtimes, lol). Even though the women vastly outnumber the men, it's the men that seem to have a monopoly on bathroom time. It's like there is no consideration for the rest of us that are waiting. Although, I do know this is because we just simply do not have enough bathrooms for the number of employees, more gender-neutral bathrooms would solve this issue, so this is more of a lack of bathroom issue, maybe not as much of a gender issue, but I could get into my thoughts on how the men act how they are entitled to bathroom time, whereas the women are constantly trying to hurry through it, apologizing to anyone waiting. Bathroom & gender dynamics at my workplace are pretty fascinating, lol.

Of course, this is just my small set of experiences. For instance, I know the males in my immediate family would be absolutely disgusted with the behavior of the males at my workplace and would never leave a restroom in such a condition - but unfortunately many men are not like that (in my family, the men clean the home as much as the women, there is no gender split there. In my ex-husband's family, the men never did any cleaning at all. Let's just say it was an issue in our marriage for certain, and I don't think his family is an anomaly). But I can see it now - I mean, the men in my office still refuse to clean up after themselves even when it's obvious who is making the messes, can you imagine the messes if they were completely anonymous? My ex did tell me horror stories about the state of many men's public restrooms. Not sure I'm ready for that....

Perhaps the solution is 3 bathrooms, men, women and gender-free. Or just a bunch of single, separate bathrooms instead of a large room with stalls.

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Works for me, I really don't care who is doing whatever next to me.... daleanime Apr 2016 #1
We have degendered bathrooms at work AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #145
Non-issue except for the 'christians' PatrickforO Apr 2016 #2
Europe has all de-gendered bathrooms? oberliner Apr 2016 #4
Well nobody has ALL anything. PatrickforO Apr 2016 #15
I just wasn't sure if it was the norm in some European countries oberliner Apr 2016 #19
The UK tends to have separate-gender facilities Spider Jerusalem Apr 2016 #21
Yes, the UK is civilized. Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2016 #113
I find it horrifying that you have to pay to use public restrooms in Europe. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #52
Have you ever been to New York City? oberliner Apr 2016 #59
Yep, I remember years ago searching for a dime in my pocket to put in the lock and then turn RKP5637 Apr 2016 #79
They are still quite common in NYC oberliner Apr 2016 #84
Oops, I left that out, definitely still common in NYC. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #85
THat's pretty standard all over the world... a la izquierda Apr 2016 #74
Some are free, but they're often absolute shitholes. JVS Apr 2016 #109
Go to any public toilet in Germany EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #203
Something in italy kimbutgar Apr 2016 #230
Nope. I've been to Paris, a few cities in Italy, London, Madrid, WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #90
Not even close. HuckleB Apr 2016 #164
it's a mix EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #202
I have seen the line at women's bathrooms, and I want no part of it. Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #235
Yes (nt) bigwillq Apr 2016 #3
Yep. katsy Apr 2016 #5
That's a very environmentally unfriendly suggestion. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #8
There are places that do that. Works just fine. n/t backscatter712 Apr 2016 #34
Why not just put up stall walls and doors around the urinals if they keep them? revbones Apr 2016 #55
This. Men should use urinals scscholar Apr 2016 #228
hell no Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #23
Fine. But if you go katsy Apr 2016 #144
Went into a new motorway rest area on the E80. GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #169
besides, men are slobs greymouse Apr 2016 #215
That would slow things down and create longer lines anigbrowl Apr 2016 #141
Not if it means I have to walk my daughter past men using urinals, in order to get to the stalls. pnwmom Apr 2016 #6
Would you be OK with her using an all-stall bathroom? oberliner Apr 2016 #10
If the stalls were fully enclosed that would be fine. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #16
That would work, but it would also cost a lot krawhitham Apr 2016 #82
Just go into the one that says "Restroom with stalls only" (i.e. no urinals). Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #13
If they're going to do this they should eliminate urinals everywhere. pnwmom Apr 2016 #20
Can't do it, that would be incredibly bad for the environment. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #22
Then screen then off. But there wouldn't be equal access if you're expecting all women pnwmom Apr 2016 #44
That should be a universal rule anyway. dchill Apr 2016 #53
Generally yes, but it's not just a matter of changing the signs petronius Apr 2016 #7
Urinals generally have pretty good dividers so you can't really see someone's genitals (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #11
Yes, I know what usually can and can't--absent effort--be seen in the urinal petronius Apr 2016 #18
Thank you. And as a woman and as a mother, I'd prefer not to have to walk past urinal users pnwmom Apr 2016 #45
As a guy I had to take my daughters into bathrooms with urinals many times when they were young, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #77
I know you mean well but you're being really insensitive to reality of male sexual abuse zazen Apr 2016 #206
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #218
Works for me ok, but even better, MH1 Apr 2016 #9
Assuming the bathrooms are not single occupancy and are multiple stalls oberliner Apr 2016 #12
Like I said, if possible have all three. If not possible, I'm ok with the degendered approach. MH1 Apr 2016 #73
Dennis Hastert used the men's room, why not? dogman Apr 2016 #14
Yes. CrispyQ Apr 2016 #17
I may start a controversy here but - I could be wrong but I don't think it would work for LiberalElite Apr 2016 #24
And some religions disapprove of women with uncovered arms. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #62
I hadn't thought of that. You bring up an interesting point... AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #65
Interesting point oberliner Apr 2016 #29
Religions that force gender separation are fucking stupid. n/t backscatter712 Apr 2016 #31
And scene. GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #167
Can't really say that I give two tugs of dead dog's dick about those beliefs. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #38
you know what, it would be nice if you did for the simple reason LiberalElite Apr 2016 #39
The religions that pull that garbage don't give a flying fuck about our beliefs, or lack thereof. backscatter712 Apr 2016 #94
Yup. zappaman Apr 2016 #166
Tough crap (so to speak) HERVEPA Apr 2016 #61
there should be three bathrooms Skittles Apr 2016 #66
no i like the idea that at a big event the mens room is quick in quick out dembotoz Apr 2016 #25
Only if you don't address "potty parity." Warpy Apr 2016 #27
and very often, the need to deal with children Skittles Apr 2016 #69
Oh, gawd yes Warpy Apr 2016 #72
Bathrooms at work in the hspital were always genderless Warpy Apr 2016 #26
Interesting last paragraph. peace13 Apr 2016 #107
Pervs can never be sure of that, can they? Warpy Apr 2016 #138
No, I think there should be separate restrooms for women and transpeople XemaSab Apr 2016 #30
As it turns out, more Republican lawmakers have been arrested for bathroom crimes than trans people. backscatter712 Apr 2016 #32
I accidentally used a men's room one time. silverweb Apr 2016 #33
Americans have such hang ups with bathrooms! Texasgal Apr 2016 #35
I know, is it the end of the world if someone glimpses a penis? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #37
Apparently so. Americans seem to have a lot of hang ups. yardwork Apr 2016 #40
Were you sexually abused as a girl or young woman? Millions of young girls have been. pnwmom Apr 2016 #49
totally agree n/t zazen Apr 2016 #209
Well it could be the end of the world Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2016 #102
yes. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #36
That seems to be the popular choice oberliner Apr 2016 #41
I think showers and locker rooms should be gender neutral as well Reter Apr 2016 #42
Perhaps "Men" and "Women" signs will seem as archaic as "White" and "Colored", Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #43
Do you really think so? oberliner Apr 2016 #48
Already in more and more places they have no legal meaning. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #111
I do think we are heading in that direction oberliner Apr 2016 #112
Well, I didn't actually say that I expect it to happen soon. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #114
You suggested that men/women restrooms could be as archaic as white/colored oberliner Apr 2016 #115
we can't erase reality of male violence against women with new names zazen Apr 2016 #208
This! smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #219
Not everyone has zero sense of privacy -- especially people who have been sexually abused. pnwmom Apr 2016 #47
Mixed gender showers would be cruel to some. goldent Apr 2016 #128
Yes, plenty of middle-aged men would love to shower... EL34x4 Apr 2016 #129
+1, the people who support this seem to not have grade school children uponit7771 Apr 2016 #163
And a flabby middle-aged woman showering with teen boys? TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #192
No Thanks RobinA Apr 2016 #46
I think so, sadly, I don't see it happening. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #50
Yes. eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #51
as a tarheel I have had occasion to think about this Mary Mac Apr 2016 #54
Don't really have a problem with it myself liberalfromaustin21 Apr 2016 #56
Here is your 5th rec and YES! Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #57
I can see it now. SheilaT Apr 2016 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #63
I agree laundry_queen Apr 2016 #64
Yes. You nailed it. SheilaT Apr 2016 #68
That seems logistically impossible oberliner Apr 2016 #83
I do recognize that it's not entirely feasible SheilaT Apr 2016 #147
At my previous job there was whistler162 Apr 2016 #146
My experience is different. Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #134
Having been a janitor in quite a few places, public women's restrooms are generally disgusting... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #80
I'm completely with you. smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #197
It's a simple matter of architecture jberryhill Apr 2016 #60
And an un-simple matter of cost. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #71
I would like to say yes because quite honestly that would be a SCOOOOORE! for women AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #67
As a guy, when my daughters were young I had to take them into restrooms with urinals many times. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #76
Family Restrooms HockeyMom Apr 2016 #98
I like those too!! AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #142
Doors can be put around urinals. AngryOldDem Apr 2016 #88
Sounds like Cooper Union is mainly changing the wording on the signs goldent Apr 2016 #70
That is not what they are doing oberliner Apr 2016 #75
Very common EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #78
I've been through quite a bit of Europe TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #193
I've seen them EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #194
I have seen them in very small commercial buildings Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2016 #217
All I can say is that Android3.14 Apr 2016 #81
Prediction: most will become Men's Only by default unless everyone is super drunk, when women have WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #86
Yep. In an effort to appear "progressive" on the issue, EL34x4 Apr 2016 #210
Yes. AngryOldDem Apr 2016 #87
yes kpete Apr 2016 #89
No gollygee Apr 2016 #91
There is nothing to fear oberliner Apr 2016 #95
"Restroom Single Occupancy" HockeyMom Apr 2016 #92
I've never understood that oberliner Apr 2016 #96
When we paid membership in the 80's for "European Health Spa", I had chance to participate in this.. MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #93
Why does it matter what the gender is of the person in the next stall? oberliner Apr 2016 #97
I'm not comfortable with either, truthfully... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #104
Understood oberliner Apr 2016 #108
Not to get OT, but what about other women breastfeeding? HockeyMom Apr 2016 #125
Heck, I don't consider that in the same league with micturition and defecation... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #135
I don't, too risky. n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #99
As long as I dont have to watch them take a crap, I don't care. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #100
In europe there were gender free bathrooms, it wasn't a problem peacebird Apr 2016 #101
I think for most adults this matters very little, aside from the cleanliness aspect. Calista241 Apr 2016 #103
How would you address that situation for young people? oberliner Apr 2016 #106
I think they'll go to Boys, Girls and then have single bathrooms without restrictions. Calista241 Apr 2016 #127
Think alcohol and men. peace13 Apr 2016 #105
Many such people do not have procedures oberliner Apr 2016 #110
I say add more family restroom to accommodate your concerns. peace13 Apr 2016 #118
A friend who was in Boulder recently took these photos mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #116
Sorry but no. romanic Apr 2016 #117
If you are using the urinal, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #119
IKR? Rex Apr 2016 #123
I should've rephrased that romanic Apr 2016 #131
I will file your concern in file right next to the file of... LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #132
... romanic Apr 2016 #137
If you've ever been to a Bucees, you know they have the answer AwakeAtLast Apr 2016 #120
I haven't oberliner Apr 2016 #121
It is a gas station/mini mart in Texas AwakeAtLast Apr 2016 #124
Uni-sex bathrooms don't seem to have caused the fall of European nations. Rex Apr 2016 #122
Where do people get the idea that all the restrooms in Europe are unisex? EL34x4 Apr 2016 #130
I like it the way it is Politicalboi Apr 2016 #126
YES!!! A million times yes! nt LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #133
I don't care as long as there are enough of any restrooms. hedgehog Apr 2016 #136
1973, gender-neutral bathroom, Brussels. kwassa Apr 2016 #139
If they do I'm never putting the toilet seat down GummyBearz Apr 2016 #140
If they were designed to have walls ceiling to floor treestar Apr 2016 #143
little girls and pervs in the same rest room? eniwetok Apr 2016 #148
Do you not have a similar concern with respect to boys? oberliner Apr 2016 #149
yeap... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #165
I say it depends on the situation jonks2746 Apr 2016 #150
I know a lot of women, my wife included, who would not use a gender neutral bathroom Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #151
Why not? oberliner Apr 2016 #152
Men Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #154
What about them? oberliner Apr 2016 #155
It may be, but I think women can make the decision as to what they find objectionable Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #160
OK, but if it's male "plumbing" that women find "objectionable" in bathrooms, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #161
Plumbing isn't the issue, it is the men in bathrooms. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #162
So if it's not the "plumbing", what is it? Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #188
The preference of many women I know. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #190
Thank you for showing some sensitivity. smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #198
Rape, robbery and peeping. n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #224
People used to find a lot of things objectionable that are now considered the norm oberliner Apr 2016 #177
See my post with photos # 116 mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #153
I don't get the hangups here, having lived in Japan for a long time... UtahJosh Apr 2016 #156
If all bathrooms were like the ones at Bucee's gas stations/stores, Ilsa Apr 2016 #157
Gender merging is the new human race Equinox Moon Apr 2016 #158
It's A Fad RobinA Apr 2016 #174
Not just no, but HELL no. alarimer Apr 2016 #159
Did you read the Cooper Union article? oberliner Apr 2016 #173
Do you have any grade school children? Also, are we just talking about stalls or bathrooms with... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #168
Isn't there the same concern about boys under the current system? oberliner Apr 2016 #172
Yes, that's why I mentioned children and I have a problem with my grade school boy using restroom uponit7771 Apr 2016 #181
What about your grade school boy using restrooms with grown men? oberliner Apr 2016 #184
I'm there with him in separated bathrooms, that one is easy for people with school aged children... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #186
Absolutely. Americans obsess about this. As do people in countries overly concerned with "modesty". GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #170
Nope. It's not about what I am comfortable with, but what EVERYONE is comfortable with Bucky Apr 2016 #171
Many people are not comfortable with the current system oberliner Apr 2016 #175
Accomodating the needs of less than 1% of the population shouldn't require disrupting the lives of Ex Lurker Apr 2016 #179
That U of Toronto story is disturbing oberliner Apr 2016 #180
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #199
It's self-defeating. By making the women's restrooms unsafe, it also makes them Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #225
Absolutely not. Segregated bathrooms are the way to go. closeupready Apr 2016 #176
+1, I don't think many who support this have grade school aged children uponit7771 Apr 2016 #183
That, and also we live in a Kim-Kardashian society in which indiscretion closeupready Apr 2016 #185
+1, "pornified"...lol... I love this place.. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #187
Hehe closeupready Apr 2016 #189
I have two school aged kids EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #204
Of course. Esp. with kids involved. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #226
I'm mostly in favor of it, but with one reservation... Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #178
I'm fine with it honestly. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #182
Hell, no! TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #191
a few things EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #201
Yes for single occupancy. eridani Apr 2016 #195
first, we should stop with the confusing semantic implication that people are bathing in them. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #196
I for one can't believe this thread made it to 200 posts. Orrex Apr 2016 #200
Did you go to Oberlin? dragonfly301 Apr 2016 #205
Yes indeed oberliner Apr 2016 #207
He lived in Dascomb in 08-09 dragonfly301 Apr 2016 #211
I lived in Dascomb and North too oberliner Apr 2016 #213
All of the bathrooms in every home where I've lived have MineralMan Apr 2016 #212
Reading the thread, fear by women of predatory men appears to be the main objection Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #214
Actually, that is not so obvious, really. MineralMan Apr 2016 #216
People don't have to go into the bathroom to get abused at home TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #223
You pick and choose who is in your home. Restraining orders are sometimes necessary. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #229
I really don't care individually, but... Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2016 #220
Yes, it is still an issue. Also robbery. At low traffic times. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #227
Restrooms should be like the CN Tower's restrooms - HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #221
It shouldn't be an absolute, all or nothing sort of deal. Glassunion Apr 2016 #222
Thanks for this post. LAS14 Apr 2016 #231
What is your take on the subject? oberliner Apr 2016 #233
I like the practical discussion here... LAS14 Apr 2016 #234
Me too oberliner Apr 2016 #236
No Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #232
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