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AxionExcel

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86. If you read the OP you would know the answer to your question

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:19 AM

Apr 2016

I'm telling you in plain, unvarnished language that Switzerland is legitimizing homeopathy and holistic health care. That's all. There are no claims about homeopathy or anything else. Just a simple fact from the news.

Please go back and spend a minute to actually read the OP so that you can comment in some sort of relevant way.

If you are feeling a monumental wave of incoherent rage about holistic health and (apparently) clean food as well, you probably should to go to Switzerland and when you get there you can TRUMPet your allegation that in your expert opinion the people of Switzerland are STUPID. That may make you feel better. But then again it may not.

Trying to 'shoot the messenger' or 'alert' on a responsible person who is delivering a verifiable fact that you for whatever reason can't bear to face is, well, poor form.

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Switzerland to recognise homeopathy as legitimate medicine [View all] AxionExcel Apr 2016 OP

Swiss health care MinnieBlum Apr 2016 #1

Are they voting on gravity next? jberryhill Apr 2016 #2

The evidence would favor them at the higher elevations. Wilms Apr 2016 #27

Univ of NM school of medicine complimentary therapy - we are so advanced out here! womanofthehills Apr 2016 #3

There is no woo you won't push is there MattBaggins Apr 2016 #4

Interesting medical schools do not think homopathy is woo womanofthehills Apr 2016 #5

Bullshit MattBaggins Apr 2016 #7

How are allergy shots given by MD's essentially different from homeopathy? You just told a woman pnwmom Apr 2016 #14

Homeopathic 'treatments' are distilled water muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #21

Surely, you jest. HuckleB Apr 2016 #22

Are you serious? Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #32

FFS please basic medicine MattBaggins Apr 2016 #46

Do you know what homeopathy is? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #62

Homeopathy is a mathematical misconception lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #92

Because allergy shots have a demonstrable scientifically proveable COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #229

Have you ever tried it? womanofthehills Apr 2016 #15

As a human being, I suspect he's drank water before EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #50

Well, I have D Gary Grady Apr 2016 #84

If homeopathy worked, I'd be high right now from drinking water from my tap. X_Digger Apr 2016 #149

Anecdotal evidence is not any kind of evidence. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #230

Just try teach someone to do the stoichiometric calculations of the concentration TransitJohn Apr 2016 #89

Most people living in the modern age are unaware of the fact that it was the truedelphi Apr 2016 #127

I guarantee you he does not and still keep his license and credentials. Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #36

I call bullshit, what were you allergic too? Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #59

I was poisoned with old outdated Malathion by the city of Albuquerque womanofthehills Apr 2016 #69

No, you weren't. HuckleB Apr 2016 #72

So you think being sprayed with Malathion womanofthehills Apr 2016 #176

You have no credibility. HuckleB Apr 2016 #187

Actually, I believe you have no credibility womanofthehills Apr 2016 #212

You have no basis for any of your beliefs. HuckleB Apr 2016 #218

Its not an "alternative therapy", its bullshit. Water does not have magic memory properties. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #61

It's fucking water. Do you actually understand what homeopathy is? X_Digger Apr 2016 #148

Please direct your poutrage to the highly educated people of Switzerland AxionExcel Apr 2016 #8

Clever by half MattBaggins Apr 2016 #11

Yeah, but 87.4% of the Swiss can't change their own tire snooper2 Apr 2016 #67

Could you cite your source(s) on those claims? Heidi Apr 2016 #93

I believe the sources are based in humor. HuckleB Apr 2016 #96

Thank you. Heidi Apr 2016 #97

I think alternative medicine is much bigger in Europe leftyladyfrommo Apr 2016 #6

That's because it is water elljay Apr 2016 #12

Nox Vomica is one I always have on hand womanofthehills Apr 2016 #18

I have good luck with cantharsis for painful bladder syndrome aka Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #29

Thanks for that info womanofthehills Apr 2016 #40

Bologna MattBaggins Apr 2016 #45

Do you mean Nux Vomica? Thor_MN Apr 2016 #175

they also DON'T have creationists dominating the schools or people saying they can MisterP Apr 2016 #66

Have you been to Europe? HuckleB Apr 2016 #70

Also - Europe has way less additives in their food womanofthehills Apr 2016 #215

Mayo Clinic has a complimentary and integrative program womanofthehills Apr 2016 #9

Is the Mayo Clinic doing homeopathy in their "Complimentary & Integrative" program? EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #51

I don't know but the Univ of NM medical center womanofthehills Apr 2016 #71

Which means you might be paying for BS. HuckleB Apr 2016 #73

I hope they insist on meticulous (and independent) patient health checkups MowCowWhoHow III Apr 2016 #10

They will not MattBaggins Apr 2016 #13

Did you read the word complimentary womanofthehills Apr 2016 #16

So? You can't have too much data. MowCowWhoHow III Apr 2016 #19

No. Ptah Apr 2016 #53

THANK YOU!! That was driving me nucking futs. REP Apr 2016 #94

+1,000 ... 000 HuckleB Apr 2016 #98

In other words they give them recognized medical treatments COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #231

It says they've given up trying to show it works in any way, but are still going to pay for it muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #25

The swiss should be called out MattBaggins Apr 2016 #17

That sciencebasedmedicine link is a joke womanofthehills Apr 2016 #20

It's an accurate site. HuckleB Apr 2016 #24

Sure, and Food Babe is the gold standard, right? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #159

I really have no desire to ingest chemicals & pesticides womanofthehills Apr 2016 #169

Everything you ingest is chemicals. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2016 #172

Let me clarify that to womanofthehills Apr 2016 #174

Nearly everything is toxic, at high enough doses, you can even suffer water poisoning... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #177

I don't think glyphosate is naturally occuring womanofthehills Apr 2016 #213

Uhm, I'm well aware of that, do you have a point? n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #224

Nearly everything you ingest is toxic at some level. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #181

The same is true of arsenic Major Nikon Apr 2016 #184

NM has natural arsenic hot water springs womanofthehills Apr 2016 #217

No, it's not the same Major Nikon Apr 2016 #219

World Health Organization seems to differ from you womanofthehills Apr 2016 #256

Then the cold hard bite of reality sets in... Major Nikon Apr 2016 #257

Interesting - it's the agency that does cancer research womanofthehills Apr 2016 #264

The IARC does not do cancer research, nor do they regulate anything Major Nikon Apr 2016 #266

I'm pretty sure you have no other options Major Nikon Apr 2016 #182

I do know - I almost died from pesticide poisoning womanofthehills Apr 2016 #214

Do you add salt to your food? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #220

Food Babe looks so good - We should all eat what she's eating!!! womanofthehills Apr 2016 #265

NYU Langone medical center has INTEGRATIVE HEALTH too womanofthehills Apr 2016 #26

They Have It RobinA Apr 2016 #99

I don't see homeopathy listed... COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #232

�Integrated medicine� is quackery hitting the mainstream HuckleB Apr 2016 #236

Yoda would be a supporter of wholistic medicine. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #33

Sure. A fictional character supporting a fictional product. progressoid Apr 2016 #75

To hate healing and medicine which is older than 5000 years old is simply insane. Modern day Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #101

5000 years ago � god made house calls. immoderate Apr 2016 #109

God has nothing to do with this. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #110

Who gives the water its memory? immoderate Apr 2016 #112

One of the great mysteries of life. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #123

Either that or bullshit Major Nikon Apr 2016 #196

If the "healing" of 5000 years ago was so goddamned effective, how come we live... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #130

Modern society has created many new diseases. Sick people are living longer. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #132

Are you saying that sick people should die? In addition, name an illness modern... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #155

Holy Fuck! I'm not fucking Ben "the disabled should commit suicide" Stien! I have too many Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #163

Try Coffee Enemas. bdwker Apr 2016 #165

But be sure not to use too much cream and sugar COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #233

AIDS isn't caused by modern pollution, in addition, cancer rates are down across the board... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #166

You do not know with absolute certainty that AIDS or any other disease is not caused by modern Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #168

You require absolute certainty for science, but accept faith for homeopathy? Thor_MN Apr 2016 #173

Don't tell me you are an HIV denialist too? Jesus fucking Christ. Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #178

Eventually Mike Adam's fans out themselves Major Nikon Apr 2016 #193

Pollution creates suppressed immune systems giving diseases like AIDS and others a better chance Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #197

That's interesting EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #199

OMG people, pollution lowers immunity! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #200

Yes, pollution isn't good for us, and no one here is arguing the opposite EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #201

I'm specifically talking about the LOWERING OF IMMUNITY FROM POLLUTION creates an Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #205

HIV is a virus that attacks the immune system, the state of that immune system isn't technically... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #209

And I'm specifically asking for evidence EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #240

Certain pollutants can damage the immune system, but they aren't responsible for AIDS... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #206

Spelling Nazi. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #210

"Please provide me with evidence that proven wholistic therapies are bad." cleanhippie Apr 2016 #183

Ask Jesus, he used wholistic healing. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #198

No, Jesus' miracles were, at best, embellishments, at worst, myth making in action... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #207

If it works, fine. progressoid Apr 2016 #145

Nobody preys on people more than the pharmaceutical industry. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #146

Hogwash Major Nikon Apr 2016 #157

If modern medicine has "proper testing" womanofthehills Apr 2016 #170

Ephedra, Buckthorn, Areca nut, Kava, Lobelia, Laetrile, Colloidal Silver, Lobelia, Chelation, progressoid Apr 2016 #179

FDA has approved chelation for heavy metal poisoning womanofthehills Apr 2016 #216

But not for autism, Alzheimer's, heart disease, etc. progressoid Apr 2016 #254

Agreed we do need a standardizing system like Germany has. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #245

+1,000,000,000 Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #242

Modern pharmaceuticals are not really regulated in this country either. It's pay to play at the fda. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #244

Prove it with a consensus of science. HuckleB Apr 2016 #249

So who is regulating "natural" cures? progressoid Apr 2016 #255

We need a regulation system for herbs and other "alternative substances" like Germany has. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #268

Big Supplement won't allow that. HuckleB Apr 2016 #269

Because something's old, it's good / better? How about those leeches? X_Digger Apr 2016 #150

Well let's just put a whole mouth of mercury in everyone's teeth and see how that works out! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #243

You see, science adapts. It doesn't claim that those poisoned by mercury have bad chakras. X_Digger Apr 2016 #248

Science does not adapt so well in the USA. Still packing mercury in people's teeth even though Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #267

Science adapts a fuck ton better than woo-shit does. Acupuncture doesn't work for you? Your chi.. X_Digger Apr 2016 #270

Foaming at the mouth at such non-violent treatments. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #271

Non-efficacious, you mean? Sure, water is non-violent. So is interpretive dance. X_Digger Apr 2016 #272

surgeons for broken legs. herbs and healing diet for auto-immune diseases such as diabetes 2. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #273

"herbs and healing diet" -- is not homeopathy. And 'herbs' for diabetes is fucking stupid. X_Digger Apr 2016 #274

sciencebasedmedicine is written by one man - David Gorski - with huge ties to drug companies womanofthehills Apr 2016 #37

No, it's not. HuckleB Apr 2016 #47

David Gorski of sciencebasedmedicine is a pharma shill womanofthehills Apr 2016 #39

No, he's not. HuckleB Apr 2016 #57

The guy used to post as "Orac" and blogged as "SoCalGal" womanofthehills Apr 2016 #76

As Orac, yes, but he wasn't hiding anything. HuckleB Apr 2016 #77

I think it's you who owe DU an apology - must be projection! womanofthehills Apr 2016 #82

So you can't support your claims about David Gorski. HuckleB Apr 2016 #83

If He's a Pharma Shill RobinA Apr 2016 #100

I look forward to the consequences of you calling the nation out. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #186

Why do you make so many pointless posts? HuckleB Apr 2016 #195

I am a toxicologist. Homeopathy is stupid. Acupuncture has merit and works via several mechanisms. Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #23

So then why are hospitals using it? womanofthehills Apr 2016 #28

I am right. They are wrong. P.T.Barnum said it right I believe. Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #30

There is money to be made in scamming people MattBaggins Apr 2016 #38

There is money to be made by big pharma womanofthehills Apr 2016 #41

The answer to the problems with pharmaceutical companies MattBaggins Apr 2016 #44

If I wanted to scam people, homeopathy would be a bigger profit margin than actual medicine. progressoid Apr 2016 #74

Can you provide links to hospitals that practice homeopathy? EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #52

here's one... eShirl Apr 2016 #55

+1,000 ... 000 HuckleB Apr 2016 #56

Ha! EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #138

Excellent! Thanks!!! COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #234

Yes. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #63

Good god you're right! Major Nikon Apr 2016 #102

BTW... HuckleB Apr 2016 #120

I will give it the benefit of the doubt Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #129

Massage is fine, but don't go attributing it to things that haven't been proven, either. HuckleB Apr 2016 #133

I have had three knee surgeries Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #143

My job title is senior environmental project scientist .... etherealtruth Apr 2016 #134

Switzerland to recognise homeopathy as legitimate medicine. And? Albertoo Apr 2016 #31

The highly educated people of Switzerland did no such thing MattBaggins Apr 2016 #42

Some Americans believe in Deepak Chopra, so anything is possible.. Albertoo Apr 2016 #49

It involves these tiny particles Rex Apr 2016 #68

THANK YOU!! Albertoo Apr 2016 #95

Hehe Rex Apr 2016 #122

homeopathy? JVS Apr 2016 #34

I wish my health insurance would cover wholistic medicine. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #35

Dirk Gentry could head it MattBaggins Apr 2016 #43

Yoda would be a proponent of Wholistic Medicine. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #48

Regular, systematic attacks on holistic health are a troubling reality AxionExcel Apr 2016 #54

The only attacks on holistic health are the ones occurring within your head... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #60

Hey, science and ethics are not needed. HuckleB Apr 2016 #65

Do you even understand what homeopathy IS? It's not "alternative medicine", it's water. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #64

where you go? Did the salt water sleeping pill work snooper2 Apr 2016 #79

Been busy protecting the elders in my neighborhood... AxionExcel Apr 2016 #185

Actually, you have been here the whole time, making plenty of posts elsewhere. HuckleB Apr 2016 #188

+1,000,000,000,000 Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #246

That poster was not being honest. HuckleB Apr 2016 #251

Kinda like chemtrails, eh? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #152

Not this crap again - But here we go- GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #180

And as Dara says - Get in the sack. GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #190

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Apr 2016 #191

Homeopathy literally can't work, it would violate everything we know about physics and the universe. Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #58

Yeah, but the purveyor of the OP thinks pesticides are GMOs.... HuckleB Apr 2016 #81

GMO's and herbicides go together - Give me a break!! womanofthehills Apr 2016 #171

Benbrook again? You know that nonsense has been debunked. HuckleB Apr 2016 #189

Food Babe fans just aren't that into facts and reality Major Nikon Apr 2016 #194

"...everything we know about physics and the universe." truebluegreen Apr 2016 #107

Yes, see post 106 for astounding ignorance. HuckleB Apr 2016 #115

I'm convinced! truebluegreen Apr 2016 #116

You wrote post 106, thus your confession has been made. HuckleB Apr 2016 #118

That's sad rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #78

Aren't you the anti-GMO poster who pretends pesticides are GMOs? HuckleB Apr 2016 #80

They're the poster who was banned by Skinner for "Chemtrails crazy talk" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #85

Ruh roh. HuckleB Apr 2016 #88

Yes, but fully predicted Major Nikon Apr 2016 #161

That does make sense. HuckleB Apr 2016 #164

... Major Nikon Apr 2016 #103

Damn, you're good. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #105

Had that one pegged a week after reappearing Major Nikon Apr 2016 #151

I think I probably confuse that one with moon bombing lady and electric universe dude Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #153

And the Indigo children! GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #192

If you read the OP you would know the answer to your question AxionExcel Apr 2016 #86

So you ARE promoting a debunked scam. HuckleB Apr 2016 #87

No. I'm reporting the news from Switzerland. AxionExcel Apr 2016 #90

No, you're "reporting" propaganda, and you don't know what ad hominem means. HuckleB Apr 2016 #91

Sound familiar? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #225

No, Switzerland isn't "legitimizing" homeopathy EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #202

I'm still waiting for a response EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #241

I'm betting NaturalNews is pretty high up on your list of shortcuts Major Nikon Apr 2016 #104

Oh look, the usual suspects on DU truebluegreen Apr 2016 #106

Rarely does one see argumentum ad ignorantiam so masterfully deployed! Major Nikon Apr 2016 #108

The problem with using the argumentum ad ignorantiam dodge is truebluegreen Apr 2016 #113

You get an extra commendation for the word salad Major Nikon Apr 2016 #117

Deepak! You're on DU! HuckleB Apr 2016 #119

And yet reality seems to love two choices. Rex Apr 2016 #124

Yes, you get it! Black and White! Good and Evil! truebluegreen Apr 2016 #131

The crap you're promoting has been examined. HuckleB Apr 2016 #135

What crap am I promoting, pray tell? truebluegreen Apr 2016 #137

Really? HuckleB Apr 2016 #154

Your erudition is stunning. Really. Como siempre. truebluegreen Apr 2016 #160

Derp. HuckleB Apr 2016 #162

We are all made from the elements in our Sun. Simple stuff. Rex Apr 2016 #140

Yes! EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #203

Wow. That post deserves some sort of an award. HuckleB Apr 2016 #114

Anyone that actually knows what homeopathy is, and believes the "science" behind it, is stupid. Captain Stern Apr 2016 #111

So you are slamming Mexicans, Europeans, Indians and South Americans as "stupid' AxionExcel Apr 2016 #125

Anyone who calls bullshit on homeopathy is just like Donald Trump! Major Nikon Apr 2016 #128

Yes. Yes, I am. But not ALL Mexicans, Europeans, Indians, and South Americans. Captain Stern Apr 2016 #136

Question: Act_of_Reparation Apr 2016 #167

Believe it or not, back in the 80's a homeopathic crank was published by the Journal Nature Major Nikon Apr 2016 #126

I have a magic rock in my pocket. Eko Apr 2016 #121

You mean you DID have a magic rock in your pocket. Rex Apr 2016 #141

My spirit animal Eko Apr 2016 #142

Oh noes! I rolled a 1 and fumbled! Rex Apr 2016 #144

Two words end this : Coffee Enemas bdwker Apr 2016 #139

"Informed" you say? Just goes to show, "informed" people can do stupid shit. X_Digger Apr 2016 #147

If you are using a rectal thermometer to try and assess the weight of the Queen Mary... AxionExcel Apr 2016 #156

Must be the chemtrails Major Nikon Apr 2016 #158

Do you seriously think homeopathy is "the right tool for the job?" EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #204

I've made no claims about homeopathy, positive or negative AxionExcel Apr 2016 #211

Sure you haven't Major Nikon Apr 2016 #221

So let me ask you this EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2016 #239

Over 100 million people in India use homeopathy, and the popularity of holistic health is growing AxionExcel Apr 2016 #208

Lots of people believe in chemtrails Major Nikon Apr 2016 #222

Let's not use health practices in India to prove your 'point' COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #235

Fuckin magnets! How do they work? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #223

FINAL WORD (from me) AxionExcel Apr 2016 #226

In other words, you still support scam artists. HuckleB Apr 2016 #227

Because chemikillz!!!1111 GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #228

"foaming at the mouth" + rabid anti-vaxxer, chemtrail true believer, Big Pharma conspiracy theorist Major Nikon Apr 2016 #237

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Apr 2016 #238

More from scientists at World Homeopathy Summit womanofthehills Apr 2016 #247

LOL!!!!! HuckleB Apr 2016 #252

nano-particals in homeopathic medicine womanofthehills Apr 2016 #250

YUP! If a scam artist says it's legit, then it's legit!!!! HuckleB Apr 2016 #253

Cuba - Homeopathic immunization against Leptospirosis resulted in significant reduction of disease womanofthehills Apr 2016 #259

Published by the Journal of Homeopathy Major Nikon Apr 2016 #262

Almost makes you wonder why he isn't cashing in Major Nikon Apr 2016 #260

OMIC, the favorite predatory publisher of woo cranks everywhere! Major Nikon Apr 2016 #258

80 Nations use homeopathy womanofthehills Apr 2016 #261

Timothy Caulfield: Don't legitimize the witch doctors Major Nikon Apr 2016 #263