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tavalon

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554. Not to sound arrogant,

Tue Dec 27, 2011, 08:37 PM

Dec 2011

but yeah, I am a good parent. I never thought I would be and I never allowed my loins to produce progeny for just that reason. He's my stepchild (been with him now for 11 years). I knew all the ways I didn't want to parent and I asked lots of parents and consulted lots of books, some about autism but most about parenting.

It's funny (weird) that I always start from the place of knowing what I don't want and then I figure out what I do want.

I'll take a look at that article and might even pass it on. Honestly, we would never have crossed paths if I hadn't started being a volunteer at the kiddos moms' animal rescue. But they are salt of the earth good people. I tend to have few real life friends because I'm a nightshifter and a mom to an autistic kiddo and, and, and........

Anyway, because I'm a nurse, they think I'm miles above them. I'm not, or at least I don't want to be. If the article is too wordy, I'd rather put it in my own words. Which, actually, I do, often.

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Adults that spoil kids aggravate me [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 OP

Also, they need to stay off my grass. Robb Dec 2011 #1

LOL! I'm with you there. These parents think our property belongs to their KIDS! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #2

Children should be seen, but not heard. Robb Dec 2011 #8

To add: sometimes they behave Robb Dec 2011 #33

People are coming into your house without your permission? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #462

I taught for 27 years and I wish I could relate to you all the parental bitching roguevalley Dec 2011 #259

You made a very good point. Parents of brats are often narcissistic, Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #267

hmph chervilant Dec 2011 #337

W is an excellent example of a BRAT that grew up without anyone stopping his stupid behavior nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #426

Heh Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #360

Could you tell us how you really feel about spoiled children? MineralMan Dec 2011 #3

LOL! I guess it showed? :) nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #4

This time of year is especially prone MineralMan Dec 2011 #12

:) I don't mind kids, but oh my gosh, there's nothing worse than a brat! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #15

I'd rather be around a bratty kid than a drunk adult. pnwmom Dec 2011 #181

As someone who has worked at nightclubs and a sunday school class... I'll second that. n/t musicblind Jan 2012 #655

I'm a mom... CoffeeCat Dec 2011 #318

I've been one for over 20 years and I agree -- the only child I've ever seen pnwmom Dec 2011 #327

I have to say I agree with you tavalon Dec 2011 #369

I haven't seen it often, but I've seen it onpatrol98 Dec 2011 #377

Not to mention the highly popular 'spoiled brat epidemic' meme circulating amongst the hard right. AverageJoe90 Dec 2011 #437

IMO the number of rotten kids with rotten parents are greatly exaggerated. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #541

Then you have been most fortunate. JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #591

You correctly identified the parents as the problem. DevonRex Dec 2011 #180

This is true. And kids only learn what they see, hear, are taught from their surroundings, and what Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #202

No, they are not blank slates. HuckleB Dec 2011 #455

LOL Mr Dixon Dec 2011 #365

Do you have kids? trumad Dec 2011 #5

You caught me there. Nope. I chose at 20-ish to NOT have kids. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #18

I ask because sometimes having kids changes perceptions about how kids act. trumad Dec 2011 #21

True. Anyone can have kids. That's one incredibly scary thing! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #24

Well, not everyone. Ilsa Dec 2011 #252

If you don't have kids, then you really don't have liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #48

So, I have a child and I agree with her Confusious Dec 2011 #67

Did you read her whole post? She mixes up misbehavior and perfectly normal behavior pnwmom Dec 2011 #105

I can think of a couple of cirumstances that would not be normal Confusious Dec 2011 #130

Of course there are circumstances where children don't belong. pnwmom Dec 2011 #308

Your post makes no sense Confusious Dec 2011 #546

I'm not sure what my point is. but -- emcguffie Dec 2011 #648

That was one part I did not understand. When I was young Maraya1969 Dec 2011 #150

It never bothered me when my friends' children thought our conversation was interesting enough pnwmom Dec 2011 #306

Exactly Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #361

"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations " is ok with you? Since you uppityperson Dec 2011 #108

Sometimes conversations should only be between adults Confusious Dec 2011 #132

I doubt "on everything" but agree, we do learn from our parent's mistakes uppityperson Dec 2011 #134

I was being hyperbolic Confusious Dec 2011 #136

I agree. There are adults that just don't understand why everyone is avoiding them, and it's Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #204

I think the kid who bothers to answer the phone -- rather than sending the adults pnwmom Dec 2011 #336

No adult should be forced to participate in the upbringing of other kids. HuckleB Dec 2011 #459

Okay, but on Christmas? CreekDog Dec 2011 #240

To little information to determine Confusious Dec 2011 #254

We do know it was Christmas, and what loving parent would leave their child pnwmom Dec 2011 #338

I would have stayed home as a kid Confusious Dec 2011 #545

ah if it wasn't dinner that would change things? CreekDog Dec 2011 #353

And? Confusious Dec 2011 #544

Clearly THIS family with THIS child didn't do that. pnwmom Dec 2011 #562

My father probably would have stayed home Confusious Dec 2011 #575

I'm not. I'm invested in defending parents who do normal things pnwmom Dec 2011 #579

The OP implied that children are spoiled who EVER do that. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #316

I agree completely. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #200

I think her OP was pretty clear about the difference between parents in general and rude ones ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2011 #68

"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations" is about a rude child? uppityperson Dec 2011 #90

I assumed "adult conversations" would be something about someone having a drinking problem.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2011 #158

I assumed "adult conversations" were conversations between adults. In which case I'd let my uppityperson Dec 2011 #160

There's nothing wrong as long as those conversations don't take a dark turn ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2011 #164

Exactly. And if a child insists on remaining with the adults, the adults are held to a child Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #401

The rule at our house was "Keep quiet unless you know something about the subject." eridani Dec 2011 #198

The problem is that many think they know something when they don't know a thing. kwassa Dec 2011 #234

Agreed, (and that would eliminate some on this thread from speaking of children.) 11 Bravo Dec 2011 #470

I'm guessing the kid didn't want to hear her interpretation of the Kama Sutra either CreekDog Dec 2011 #241

Really? Even if the conversation was for adults, like your friend's sex life issues? onion belt Dec 2011 #436

Not gonna argue with a poster who's posting privl has been revoked. Esp not one uppityperson Dec 2011 #469

I don't think you read her checklist carefully. Not all her points are reasonable. pnwmom Dec 2011 #184

Then the feeling is mutual. I don't want to be around a person who thinks children pnwmom Dec 2011 #339

well the fact that the people without kids have to deal with your kids ThomThom Dec 2011 #75

Childless people are more oft than not MattBaggins Dec 2011 #125

Idiot parents. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #129

they've ruined dinners for me and your logic has a big hole in it uppityperson Dec 2011 #153

Not true. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #156

"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations" is noisily, badly behaved uppityperson Dec 2011 #157

You didn't read my post. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #163

I'd forgotten all about how some parents allowed their kids to ruin an eating-out experience for Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #207

Yes, but no one is posting repeated OPs about rude adults. HuckleB Dec 2011 #549

Not all children misbehave at restaurants, and not all adults do, either. pnwmom Dec 2011 #330

idiot parents irisblue Dec 2011 #149

Haughty childless people, of course. liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #173

I'm your worst nightmare Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #179

If you consider children a "hobby" then it's best that you don't liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #183

Bravo! Well Said, LibHist. (n/t) Paladin Dec 2011 #247

thank you, very good. uppityperson Dec 2011 #256

Nice to know you have no respect for those who care for your child Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #424

Bravo! onpatrol98 Dec 2011 #568

Well said! Spazito Dec 2011 #602

Thanks! Maybe parents of ill-behaved kids are the most angry at those of us who refused to have Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #209

Private hobby? Raising the next generation to be functioning adults is everyone's business eridani Dec 2011 #210

I was a nanny also. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #232

right, you don't believe in subsidies --you will refuse Medicare, correct? CreekDog Dec 2011 #243

Who do you think will be paying for your Social Security? Our children. pnwmom Dec 2011 #310

Subsidizing an expensive hobby? SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #612

Tax deductions. Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #635

Not at all. I understand childhood is not adulthood, but to inflict bad child behavior on other Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #208

Well said. I would also add that they ("idiot parents") don't usually post mindless Fool Count Dec 2011 #375

wow, that's not consistent with my experience at all fishwax Dec 2011 #255

rude is rude ThomThom Dec 2011 #391

Idiot parents with their bratty mini mes. nt valerief Jan 2012 #654

She's also complaining about kids in their own homes. pnwmom Dec 2011 #185

Is anyone (seriously) asking you to keep your children locked up? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #83

You could choose to pintobean Dec 2011 #89

So if someone's brat is screaming his head off in a restaurant, *I* should leave? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #106

If you can not deal with the realities of society MattBaggins Dec 2011 #128

Since it's more likely that you'll find loud, obnoxious adults interrupting your quiet dinner ... HuckleB Dec 2011 #516

Wow. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #122

I think you missed the point. pintobean Dec 2011 #148

The realities of society distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #159

I was being facetious. pintobean Dec 2011 #165

Nothing personal about it. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #167

Ah, I see. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #169

Well put! Thanks. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #211

And the world doesn't revolve around single people who dislike children. pnwmom Dec 2011 #341

I agree for the most part but I do not expect parents Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #170

I have two children......... Amaril Dec 2011 #216

Strange if/then scenario Sheepshank Dec 2011 #249

Thank You For Your Decision To Not Have Children. It Was Obviously The Correct One. (n/t) Paladin Dec 2011 #135

LOL, liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #174

The 'ol "do you have any kids" shoot down doesn't fly brewens Dec 2011 #301

Thank God. helderheid Dec 2011 #381

Not relevant Eliminator Dec 2011 #54

Very relevant. trumad Dec 2011 #58

You're right. The behavior of other parents' children pnwmom Dec 2011 #103

Actually these kids are not spoiled boston bean Dec 2011 #6

True. Maybe these kids drive these parents so insane that's why they're pawning them off on Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #11

Not to get all pipi_k Dec 2011 #99

You're right. I think parents of bratty kids who spoil them, are doing a 'fuck you' to the world. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #212

I'm not quite sure how you REALLY feel about these children. Jazzgirl Dec 2011 #7

LOL! I was a bit 'emotive' about this :) nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #9

Although I generally like kids Ineeda Dec 2011 #10

Aaah, I see you've met the spawn of Satan too. Hmm... spawn gets around! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #13

Very simple jberryhill Dec 2011 #17

And excuse yourself if you're someplace where the parents are bragging. DesertRat Dec 2011 #42

I did, and Mom looked at me with a blank expression Ineeda Dec 2011 #28

Peanut-butter gets out PB? Who knew? tridim Dec 2011 #23

Sorry. Mis-typing. No, PB gets out chewing gum. I think it's the oil or something. Ineeda Dec 2011 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2011 #35

You need to stop socializing with parents jberryhill Dec 2011 #14

So my choice is to refuse to invite Brat's parents? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #16

That is correct jberryhill Dec 2011 #20

Yes, that is your choice. You knew liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #50

Not that simple Eliminator Dec 2011 #60

Sorry, but when it comes to friends and holidays, liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #63

"To many people without kids, ALL kids are brats." Or most of those on the hard right. AverageJoe90 Dec 2011 #438

If she is being forced against her will, call the police! jberryhill Dec 2011 #140

As a parent, I wish I could independently recommend this post. Fawke Em Dec 2011 #72

Bigotry toward children is the only kind of bigotry acceptable here. pnwmom Dec 2011 #95

It's the only one actively encouraged on DU MattBaggins Dec 2011 #133

Indeed. HuckleB Dec 2011 #526

I think you worded it well. A lot of this thread comes off as bigotry towards children. musicblind Jan 2012 #656

well said FirstLight Dec 2011 #142

I think you might enjoy this story, liberalhistorian. pnwmom Dec 2011 #322

Oh, my, LOL! liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #414

It was a perfectly nice summer day, so I didn't mind being outside pnwmom Dec 2011 #456

My house was on a corner across the xxqqqzme Dec 2011 #119

I'm a grandpa. That's my job. lpbk2713 Dec 2011 #19

I get it perfectly when grandpas spoil their grandkids. You're right, spoiling is a grandpa's job Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #22

Were you "spoiled"? Did you/your mom engage in any of those behaviours? uppityperson Dec 2011 #88

Sounds a wee bit spoiled to me... onpatrol98 Dec 2011 #570

I don't usually see a lot of kids like you're describing, but I did last Thursday tammywammy Dec 2011 #25

Yes, I don't get why these parents insist that kids be in inappropriate settings... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #26

On Christmas Day, a child's "appropriate place" is with her parents. If you want the parents, pnwmom Dec 2011 #315

Some people think a funeral is a family event? jberryhill Dec 2011 #66

For a 2 or 3 year old? tammywammy Dec 2011 #69

Yes jberryhill Dec 2011 #76

I won't get into the family relationship details tammywammy Dec 2011 #80

You need to find those knives from the "Omen" jberryhill Dec 2011 #82

It would have been a sign of respect to the deceased and rest of the polly7 Dec 2011 #121

Exactly. It would be incredibly disrespectful to have a child running, playing, screaming while the Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #213

Inconsolable Weeping is not an appropriate adult behavior at funerals either jberryhill Dec 2011 #235

Well, most often being inconsolable at a funeral of someone you're mourning deeply isn't a choice, polly7 Dec 2011 #295

I'd rather a child playing than an adult inconsolably weeping at my funeral thank you very much. uppityperson Dec 2011 #257

Unless mom is a 'casket diver' jberryhill Dec 2011 #282

I don't think I've told you uppityperson Dec 2011 #288

Some people don't have the money for a babysitter. Fawke Em Dec 2011 #73

The child's father takes care of her during the day while the mother works tammywammy Dec 2011 #74

Ultimately, this is what it's all about. theaocp Dec 2011 #386

heehee alphafemale Dec 2011 #27

now lets make a list what we hate about adults.... betcha as long. seabeyond Dec 2011 #30

I agree -- except that this was a family Christmas event, so I think all children should be welcomed pnwmom Dec 2011 #100

the thing. a person who does not have kids may be the ones to blow something very small into a HUGE seabeyond Dec 2011 #143

We used to have a child-hater in our family. Fortunately, she's gone now. pnwmom Dec 2011 #309

+1 laundry_queen Dec 2011 #152

my oldest taught me it is true, the feel of an insult. by 3 or 4 he would look to me when an adult seabeyond Dec 2011 #155

While inflammatory, this topic is actually quite interesting tavalon Dec 2011 #373

Your parents with monetary problems are providing what the kids need to succeed in life tpsbmam Dec 2011 #411

Not to sound arrogant, tavalon Dec 2011 #554

Nothing arrogant about doing a good job, recognizing it and acknowledging it. tpsbmam Dec 2011 #596

But totally spot one tavalon Dec 2011 #605

Bravo jberryhill Dec 2011 #236

+a million, seabeyond Number23 Dec 2011 #244

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Dec 2011 #250

+1 onpatrol98 Dec 2011 #571

Some children are very likeable. Quantess Dec 2011 #31

Exactly. Some kids are awesome. Some are something out of a nightmare, because their parents Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #214

Hark all those about! Bask in the light of my brilliant child. alphafemale Dec 2011 #32

So true! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #215

Isn't that the worst? had the same experience myself. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #224

Whatever happened to children being seen and not heard? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #34

Yeah, let's just keep them all locked away in their liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #52

Please tell me you aren't being sarcastic...I'm *so* in on this! Abin Sur Dec 2011 #55

It's a shame quiet, well behaved respectful adults are so rare. pnwmom Dec 2011 #98

While many adults are poorly behaved (in a restaurant, for instance) Abin Sur Dec 2011 #104

I agree, the brat talking loudly on the cell phone has a *far* worse impact on dining experience uppityperson Dec 2011 #107

Cute. Are you actually arguing that an adult speaking loudly on cell phone is Abin Sur Dec 2011 #110

Yes, it certainly can be. Are you arguing that an adult screaming on a cell phone is uppityperson Dec 2011 #114

I never said the adult in question was screaming, did I? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #118

It's certainly much more common. Telly Savalas Dec 2011 #620

I've honestly never had a "dining experience" ruined by a child. pnwmom Dec 2011 #109

I've never had a bad experience in a restaurant with a drunk adult, Abin Sur Dec 2011 #113

A couple? In how many years of restaurant going? pnwmom Dec 2011 #117

I was thinking of the worst examples. I've certainly encountered more than 2 Abin Sur Dec 2011 #120

Perhaps because they were allowed to be Union Scribe Dec 2011 #358

Or maybe it's just the opposite. As soon as they're out from under their parents' iron thumbs pnwmom Dec 2011 #364

Could be. Union Scribe Dec 2011 #376

Yes! Being a good parent is a difficult balancing act -- pnwmom Dec 2011 #476

The 1960's and liberal ideas about childrearing? jberryhill Dec 2011 #78

You. helderheid Dec 2011 #385

The sarcasm in this post was brilliant. musicblind Jan 2012 #657

Consider your hope rewarded jberryhill Jan 2012 #658

That is part of many authoritarian cultures, but not of the America pnwmom Dec 2011 #97

I don't think well-behaved children are particularly rare fishwax Dec 2011 #260

the thing about it is, it could be a wonderful child having a bad moment and there is NO grace at seabeyond Dec 2011 #299

good point fishwax Dec 2011 #303

Admittedly I don't know the kid in question, but I think you're confusing two issues: LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #36

I agree. Children are enjoyable human beings who need to interact with other human beings. pnwmom Dec 2011 #93

I feel the same way about dogs...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #37

The more people I meet, the more I like my dog. Abin Sur Dec 2011 #43

"Kids. Yech." This is a form of bigotry that seems to be acceptable here. pnwmom Dec 2011 #111

If this were said here about any other group of people other than children or retread Dec 2011 #127

That's for sure. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #314

Yeah...your right....prostitution SHOULD be legal tjwash Dec 2011 #38

That is a funny post:) polly7 Dec 2011 #39

Obviously written by a person who doesn't have kids. stopbush Dec 2011 #40

not to mention overstimulation on a day like christmas for many reasons and the age of the child. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #41

"Likeable traits for kids". Isn't that a contradiction in terms? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #44

I have two, now grown, and though they were far from perfect, Ineeda Dec 2011 #45

There may be no broad blush complaints, but there are misguided and intolerant complaints. pnwmom Dec 2011 #189

Utterly irrelevant Eliminator Dec 2011 #57

You didn't read the OP carefully. pnwmom Dec 2011 #319

That's a matter of perspective Eliminator Dec 2011 #396

What's wrong with the child answering the phone every time? pnwmom Dec 2011 #468

Yes there are. I have two visiting my home right now. My nieces kids. She is a great parent. Puglover Dec 2011 #584

Amen. And this particular poster has had a bee liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #61

touche Broderick Dec 2011 #144

You win this thread. stevedeshazer Dec 2011 #186

Actually, the OP was quite clear that the rant was about permissive parents, NOT about the children distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #64

One's 'permissive' parent... Skelly Dec 2011 #342

Exactly Irishonly Dec 2011 #518

Yeah she was. I don't think the problem here is with parenting as Puglover Dec 2011 #585

I have two grown children and five grand kids. I do NOT accept madmom Dec 2011 #77

just a reminder: "single" and "childless" are not synonyms eShirl Dec 2011 #79

There is a cure... liberalmuse Dec 2011 #46

As an example of the "cure worse than the disease", that's not bad! Abin Sur Dec 2011 #49

I'll bet Susan Smith's parents advised the same thing Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #434

My parents always let me hang out with the adults abelenkpe Dec 2011 #47

I honestly don't care how parents raise their kids, as long as their children aren't disruptive. Abin Sur Dec 2011 #51

And I'm sure everyone loved having you around...all of the time. kiva Dec 2011 #56

What he said about the OP is no worse than the MattBaggins Dec 2011 #139

Searched and found that you were the only one kiva Dec 2011 #188

Because it's OK for the OP to post an emotional tirade but not for anyone to respond with one? abelenkpe Dec 2011 #448

No, because what she wrote is a tirade about bad parents... kiva Dec 2011 #461

Lol jberryhill Dec 2011 #70

I grew up in a college town and my parents, like others, did a lot of entertaining. pnwmom Dec 2011 #324

"Narcissitic, sociopathic adults" AKA Republicans (nt) Eliminator Dec 2011 #53

HAHA I was thinking that those kids=future Republican voters! alp227 Dec 2011 #277

Was there any reason you couldn't be rude to this rude, inconsiderate parent? Moonwalk Dec 2011 #59

I know. I ought to have said something about the little brat. After reading the posts in here... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #218

Next time a kid does that to you spit in the kid's face and make kid cry for hours. alp227 Dec 2011 #278

Nope. I simply won't invite my friend (who WANTS to be invited!) Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #279

Also, say something to the child. theaocp Dec 2011 #388

That's part of the problem today. I think some moms (dads sometimes, tho less so), feel their child Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #403

Yes and No Skelly Dec 2011 #350

4 yr old niece sittin at table with all the adults said something snotty to mom seabeyond Dec 2011 #422

My goodness, people who've never had children liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #62

Touche Broderick Dec 2011 #146

Finally, somone putting the blame where it belongs... Bad Parents. Taitertots Dec 2011 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2011 #195

I just hope they are not the kind of people that take their children to fancy restraunts, etc... Taitertots Dec 2011 #265

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2011 #272

The problem is that there are parents who do less than nothing to stop their misbehaving children Taitertots Dec 2011 #292

The OP is lumping spoiled children and normal children together, with her complaints pnwmom Dec 2011 #344

I don't agree with your interpretation of the OP Taitertots Dec 2011 #440

Yes, but are these concerns even real? HuckleB Dec 2011 #454

On this we agree, HuckleB. pnwmom Dec 2011 #464

+1 HuckleB Dec 2011 #492

We wouldn't be having this discussion if they didn't Taitertots Dec 2011 #486

We don't know that they're happening, and we certainly don't know that they're happening very often. HuckleB Dec 2011 #491

I've seen it and numerous people here have too Taitertots Dec 2011 #543

I know plenty of parents and other adults who have not seen it. HuckleB Dec 2011 #550

But if you read many of the writer's other posts in this thread, pnwmom Dec 2011 #542

Good point, seaglass. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #343

I promise I'll never remain silent again around bratty kids and their charmed parents. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #220

That's why Islamic kids are well behaved jberryhill Dec 2011 #71

I totally sympathize, parenting skills are in short supply ThomThom Dec 2011 #81

ThomThom, the only ones angry are the parents of bratty kids, and it's a tiny handful. The rest Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #225

wow. really? and you know everyone that disagrees. that they have kids? that their kids seabeyond Dec 2011 #297

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Dec 2011 #84

You were surprised when your husband's niece who lives at home showed up? pnwmom Dec 2011 #345

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Dec 2011 #352

If I knew one of my adult nieces was living at home, of course I'd invite her for a family dinner. pnwmom Dec 2011 #354

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Dec 2011 #355

No. But I think it would be polite to invite any adult niece or nephew who's living with the parents pnwmom Dec 2011 #357

You make some good points but others are way over the top. pnwmom Dec 2011 #85

out of many good responses, barbtries Dec 2011 #166

Thank you helderheid Dec 2011 #387

"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations" WHAT? You don't want kids uppityperson Dec 2011 #86

According to the OP, they shouldn't talk and they shouldn't listen. pnwmom Dec 2011 #87

+100000 uppityperson Dec 2011 #92

I agree Broderick Dec 2011 #154

Support here from Grandma AlwaysQuestion Dec 2011 #91

What Grandma said! nt blaze Dec 2011 #116

Thank you for the voice of reason, grandma! n/t distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #124

Thank you, grandma! You expressed it far better than I ever could! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #226

AlwaysQuestion, pnwmom Dec 2011 #346

I'm with you on this customerserviceguy Dec 2011 #94

You're right; there are some parents who are just dense when it comes to this stuff. eShirl Dec 2011 #96

A lot of people get depressed during the holidays. pnwmom Dec 2011 #101

Or maybe the kid really was a brat and his/her parents were indulgent and inconsiderate. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #123

Or maybe you didn't read her whole list of complaints pnwmom Dec 2011 #191

And also, this child-free Christmas lover takes exception to the statement distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #126

You don't have to see children on Christmas, but parents won't be leaving their kids on that day. pnwmom Dec 2011 #192

Actually... distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #223

The problem with the OP is that she was also describing perfectly normal behavior pnwmom Dec 2011 #245

How clever. Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #168

Yesterday was Christmas. How many babysitters would want to work on Christmas? pnwmom Dec 2011 #190

Considering that the OP calls those of us who liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #270

Excellent points! Reminded me that my sis has kids and she doesn't want to put up with other Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #227

Please get over yourself MattBaggins Dec 2011 #246

I've been out of high school for thirty years. Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #416

I think you're talking about those really obnoxious DevonRex Dec 2011 #102

We now have more children in our penal system than at any time in our history, retread Dec 2011 #112

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #115

that you could suggest a child be left out of Christmas day/dinner apart from its mom is heartless CreekDog Dec 2011 #131

Adults that wants kids hidden away while are spoiled themselves aggravate me uppityperson Dec 2011 #137

i was thinking of the adult that is troublesome, boring, obnoxious, show off, ect.... myself. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #151

People who want no noise, no interruptions and no messes should stay at home. PassingFair Dec 2011 #138

Controlling adults make me miserable. pa28 Dec 2011 #162

Here's the point Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #171

I agree with you. That was not the OP's "point" however... PassingFair Dec 2011 #176

You are surmising incorrectly. pnwmom Dec 2011 #199

Starting to get a sense that you regret your choices and are trying to justify them Broderick Dec 2011 #141

That's interesting Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #172

Isn't it funny? And doesn't it become clear by the posts who is a parent of a complete brat, and Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #228

Yes. I noticed that too. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #233

Since it is clear to you, am I a parent of a complete brat or one who doesn't inflict my brat on uppityperson Dec 2011 #258

The only thing that becomes clear is who actually read your whole post pnwmom Dec 2011 #347

That made me laugh out loud. Puglover Dec 2011 #587

well, it's not really too late as she has changed her mind and wants kids now JI7 Dec 2011 #312

replying to bookmark Iggo Dec 2011 #145

Me too. Adsos Letter Dec 2011 #147

I dislike your list, but I will tell you this. Neoma Dec 2011 #161

You're right -- babies and children need interactions with a variety of people. pnwmom Dec 2011 #203

My problem with this thread is the narrow focus. EFerrari Dec 2011 #175

Very true. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #193

good point fishwax Dec 2011 #261

Oh yes. Initech Dec 2011 #177

ROFL! This is true. You can tell the mariachi band to go away. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #229

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Completely uncalled for. MineralMan Dec 2011 #182

I don't know, rather rude to be let stand, true. uppityperson Dec 2011 #289

Amen! And I have a very similar list I will share: LaraMN Dec 2011 #187

+1000. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #194

It sounds like the problem is you. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #196

I'm am in utter disbelief frazzled Dec 2011 #197

Thanks for the reality check. n/t pnwmom Dec 2011 #206

Exactly. n/t FourScore Dec 2011 #221

Amen DesertRat Dec 2011 #320

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #383

VERY well said! nt tpsbmam Dec 2011 #404

IRRITATE, not aggravate! PLEASE! downwardly_mobile Dec 2011 #201

"aggravate" has been used in that sense for about 400 years fishwax Dec 2011 #264

There's a lot of stuff here. Quartermass Dec 2011 #205

If you are invited somewhere where there will be children, then stay home. HappyMe Dec 2011 #217

Nice rant, I am guessing a relatives kid. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #219

Nope. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #231

I think it's rude to have kids. Sky Masterson Dec 2011 #222

You're right. It's incredibly selfish! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #230

I was joking Sky Masterson Dec 2011 #239

I wasn't. I'm an observer. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #268

That you agreed Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #363

I didn't lie. I told the truth about my choices. Yet you think I have no right to make choices Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #366

That is completely insane. SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #608

This is not the topic of the OP, but yes, having kids is selfish... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #609

I have two sons.... ThatsMyBarack Dec 2011 #237

Wow, what a brat! Was he correcting your grammar too? CreekDog Dec 2011 #238

You got in just before the wire. Nastiest, Dumbest Post of 2011 Number23 Dec 2011 #242

I love being around children etherealtruth Dec 2011 #248

I attended a family dinner at the home of a control freak once. pnwmom Dec 2011 #251

it's Parents WHO (er, I think) Skittles Dec 2011 #253

Definitely. I certainly think some are. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #263

I, for one, really appreciate posts such as this. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #262

I spend a fair amount of time around kids, but I've never encountered most of what you mention fishwax Dec 2011 #266

Being a "part-time father", my situation is halfway between full-time parent and childless steve2470 Dec 2011 #269

While I don't like obnoxious adults or children October Dec 2011 #271

It must feel good to know that adults enjoy being with your kids Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #274

That is definitely bragging! onpatrol98 Dec 2011 #574

lol! Sorry. <blush> October Feb 2012 #660

my kids were brought up in a house full of adults.... lost-in-nj Dec 2011 #273

Nothing is perfect on earth. :) Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #275

wow where in my post did I say the world was my childrens nanny??? lost-in-nj Dec 2011 #557

I don't lack respect for people who have kids. I lack respect for Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #558

Funny. I think you simply hate kids. ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #276

Here's the good thing about this - Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #286

Hilarious. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #356

Hilarious is the fact that you haven't read through the responses to the moms that disagree with you Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #368

Anti-puppy rants are funny. ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #418

I imagine many people believe themselves clever enough LanternWaste Dec 2011 #384

You imagine correct. Good job. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #415

Not really a job either... LanternWaste Dec 2011 #449

Wow, so many broad brushes on this thread! tpsbmam Dec 2011 #280

If I wanted to invite a child to my conversations, I would, as would you. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #281

Where the hell did I suggest you should share your every concern with kids? tpsbmam Dec 2011 #290

No, they're not called babysitters. They're called "people who treat children like the human beings pnwmom Dec 2011 #349

Good for you for engaging with that 14 year old. pnwmom Dec 2011 #313

Thanks. Yeah, the kid broke my heart. tpsbmam Dec 2011 #400

I read a book on this topic pnwmom Dec 2011 #474

Yep, I'm familiar with that book -- that's the principle, backed by sound research tpsbmam Dec 2011 #594

I just reread your first post here and realized we have something else in common. pnwmom Dec 2011 #598

Well, and my profession helps..... tpsbmam Dec 2011 #647

"You're a sly one, Mr. Grinch..." johnaries Dec 2011 #283

Here's the thing, why does it bug you so much that I live my life as I desire? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #284

Well..I agree with you! murray hill farm Dec 2011 #362

Thank you, mom and grandma! You're right that parents who do this are saying fuck you to others Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #367

Maybe it's because her heart was 3 sizes too small? helderheid Dec 2011 #393

To summarize this thread : People suck. quakerboy Dec 2011 #285

You got it wrong. Read this: I'm not anyone's nanny. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #287

I wasnt summarizing you, I was summarizing the entire thread. quakerboy Dec 2011 #333

This thread makes me want to adopt Prism Dec 2011 #291

Actually, what's really interesting in this is the reaction from certain parents Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #293

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i think pretty much everyone of us parents agree, we dont want you around our kids. really seabeyond Dec 2011 #298

My child sitting quietly listening to adults talk=brat. Gotcha.Indeed, that IS my child and and glad uppityperson Dec 2011 #302

I don't think that's a "raw nerve" Prism Dec 2011 #304

Children are naturally narcissistic, but it's something that they usually grow out of. pnwmom Dec 2011 #305

Oh, I don't really think that's fair. polly7 Dec 2011 #307

Clearly. helderheid Dec 2011 #394

In my family, we learned it was our duty to spoil children EFerrari Dec 2011 #311

I disagree a tiny bit Prism Dec 2011 #597

This thread = awesome. flvegan Dec 2011 #294

This thread = nuts frazzled Dec 2011 #323

There's a lot of generalizations on both sides. Quartermass Dec 2011 #300

There sure are. polly7 Dec 2011 #321

When I see people here comparing children to dogs, or calling them "hobbies," pnwmom Dec 2011 #325

Children were compared to dogs here? polly7 Dec 2011 #329

See post 43, for one example. n/t DesertRat Dec 2011 #331

Ok, so the poster who began the thread didn't compare children to dogs at all. polly7 Dec 2011 #340

Oh, I see Missy Vixen Dec 2011 #443

The OP first used the term "narcissistic" to characterize the children. pnwmom Dec 2011 #466

Sounds like you need new friends, don't stand for that s#$t! It is NOT... webDude Dec 2011 #317

If memory serves, this type of rant is not uncommon with you. Frankly, it's tired. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #326

With the move to the new DU, it's always helpful when posters remind us who they are. MissB Dec 2011 #328

Yeah, I'm afraid I'm going to have to unrec this. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #332

I remember your posts well enough to know pnwmom Dec 2011 #334

Not if you allow your kid to visit other homes and be destructive, create a ruckus, interrupt, and Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #399

My christmas consisted of a giant family gathering Muskypundit Dec 2011 #335

Well, the main problem was that mine was a grown-ups gathering... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #374

You thought a single mom would leave her child at home on CHRISTMAS? DesertRat Dec 2011 #389

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +10000 helderheid Dec 2011 #395

Exactly. I've noticed that many people who don't have kids just don't fucking get it. At ALL. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #473

May I modestly suggest FloridaJudy Dec 2011 #348

No, actually, my next one will not include the monster's mom Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #371

Let's see if I can summarize here FloridaJudy Dec 2011 #501

I don't beg people to come to my house. I asked some people to a party. Those that came, Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #503

Someday, when you are still childless and collecting your Social Security checks, pnwmom Dec 2011 #351

??? So basically just let kids become wild animals because one day I will need them for something. onion belt Dec 2011 #432

No. You didn't read her whole post, because she also objects pnwmom Dec 2011 #453

Why? Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #359

Why what? You missed the entire point, which is that unloading a BAD kid on others is intolerable Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #370

I don't like it when my daughter Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #446

True. Thanks. By the way, it wasn't just I that was upset. Others at the party came to me to Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #447

I have two daughters that are 7 and 6. I teach them to be polite and try to have good behavior. Jennicut Dec 2011 #372

As this thread demonstrates, children are most frequently ego extensions of their parents. nt Romulox Dec 2011 #378

I think very often they are. I do think some parents are overwhelmed by their own kids, and some Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #392

Ding! Ding! NinetySix Dec 2011 #379

thanks, id never seen that site before Enrique Dec 2011 #472

Or Republicans; greiner3 Dec 2011 #380

"Yesterday I had to spend some time with one of these kids" lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #382

"Parents that insist on their kids performing for you" Glassunion Dec 2011 #390

That's quite the pointless cliche, er urban myth. HuckleB Dec 2011 #514

Nah... A comedian I heard does a great bit on it. Glassunion Dec 2011 #555

Where in the hell mrs_p Dec 2011 #397

That wasn't the problem. The problem was that she watched her kid be a complete pest and did Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #398

Was there another room for the kid to play in? mrs_p Dec 2011 #405

Sure, there was another room, but I didn't expect the child to be hidden in there. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #407

Well, there is no changing people like that mrs_p Dec 2011 #412

Thank you! I do have the solution, and this thread helped me arrive there. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #421

A response and reminder... Juneboarder Dec 2011 #402

I like kids treestar Dec 2011 #406

I agree! It's unrealistic. I browsed through a book not long ago titled, I'm Not Your Friend; I'm Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #408

i have real issues with parents saying, but i am his/her friend seabeyond Dec 2011 #409

Good point. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #410

You can be both, and do just fine. AverageJoe90 Dec 2011 #439

You are so right. polly7 Dec 2011 #441

it is a different position. that is the point. seabeyond Dec 2011 #475

There is a point to this, though. chrisa Dec 2011 #413

Exactly! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #419

Damn...looks like you (OP) hit a nerve! badgerpup Dec 2011 #417

It definitely hit a nerve with those who 'saw' themselves in my description of the irresponsible Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #420

again. i dont agree. i tried to respond to your posts respectfully and with thought, though i seabeyond Dec 2011 #423

ding! ding! ding! helderheid Dec 2011 #430

Maybe she's not talking about YOU! onion belt Dec 2011 #431

she was talking about the posters on this thread that disagree with her. you agreed with her. seabeyond Dec 2011 #433

Well, I recall you writing the other day that you don't really care if your kid smokes weed onion belt Dec 2011 #435

your interpretation is a caracture of what i posted. seabeyond Dec 2011 #467

"really... really.... is childish" I wonder why she is so mad at the other children? retread Dec 2011 #444

LOL- I agree! onion belt Dec 2011 #425

please point out one post that states children should be "the center of attention 24/7" seabeyond Dec 2011 #427

There's a person who seemed to take offense at the statement about including kids in adult onion belt Dec 2011 #429

the point is, a couple people with no children, no experience with children, no parenting seabeyond Dec 2011 #471

Exactly! It's definitely not healthy even for the child. They grow up not socializing properly Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #428

Oh, god, not the "my fur babies are just the same as your human ones!!!!" crap again Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #460

I feel the same way about members of Congress, who are like our children slackmaster Dec 2011 #442

I agree. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #445

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2011 #450

OUCH Broderick Dec 2011 #458

Kinda nutty that your annoyance is being called LanternWaste Dec 2011 #451

Yup! Apparently irresponsible parents think it's cool to have their brats annoy adults and kids Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #477

I agree with much of your post... HuckleB Dec 2011 #452

I notice that people without kids seem to think people with kids are endlessly preoccupied with them Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #457

Oh I do. That's why she won't be invited next year. Are you volunteering to invite her to your Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #480

Oh heavens Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #483

Chuckle Broderick Dec 2011 #511

Translation: MY FRIENDS WITH KIDS REFUSE TO CONFORM TO MY DEMANDS ABOUT THEIR LIVES Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #463

Me? I tried to do the woman a favor by inviting her. She apparently could care less about the rest Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #479

You don't understand why a single mother couldn't "leave the kid at home" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #482

Thank god you were there to judge her! AngryAmish Dec 2011 #465

Me and the entire group of people at the party. Well, the good thing is now she'll Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #478

I'd welcome her. I do not require that my friends, or their children... FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #624

And yet you think only she counts, and not me. I did her a favor, but in return, she allowed her Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #627

Here's a perfect example of the mentality displayed in this OP: Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #481

No, she didn't have to leave the child at home. But you're equating apples and oranges. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #485

but then you went beyond just your situation to a list of rules for parents in parenting ALL seabeyond Dec 2011 #488

did you talk to her about it? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #497

Nope. I was pretty shocked that she was fine with it and smiling. On the other hand... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #498

So, you chickened out. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #500

I didn't. I try to be polite, and didn't want to embarrass her in front of others Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #502

then take her aside Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #504

LOL! Spaulding? More like Little Nosferatu. No, I expect parents to have respect for others Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #506

Okay, well, you're saying that your stuff was destroyed & your party fucked up. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #509

FYI - in case you don't know - the party is over and the brat is out of my and my guests' lives. :) Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #510

Every time I've had a party that's lasted for days, my place has been messed up Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #522

ROFL! Okay, but now you're talking about an entirely different sort of 'party' Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #525

Wow. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #625

LOL! The ID you chose to use in DU pretty much says that about everything in life, doesn't it? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #626

You can attempt to deflect with juvenile quips if you like. Your post stands as APPALLING. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #629

I'm dead serious. Anyone with an ID like yours is making a statement: that he's fed up with all, Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #630

Really, very poorly constructed deflection. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #632

I don't care if you're an alien from another planet. Your ID tells what you think and feel. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #633

Have a nice day Sarah. n/t FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #634

No actually your post Puglover Dec 2011 #590

This is most ugly post I have ever read on DU Whoa_Nelly Dec 2011 #484

You are correct. This post brought out lots of irresponsible parents with brats Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #487

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:facepalm: Shining Jack Dec 2011 #592

How, exactly, would you have preferred this kid to be "fascinating"? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #499

There was nothing appealing about 'the kid' to anyone in attendance. There was a lot repulsive, Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #505

I'm wondering what your idea of a 'fascinating' kid at an adults party would be like Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #507

I didn't expect him to be fascinating, but if he was going to demand the unpleasant attention of Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #508

So I ask again, how old was this kid? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #512

About 7 or 8. Obnoxious ad nauseam. So now, Doctor Freud... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #515

a 7 or 8 year old probably isnt gonna know how to entertain adults Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #520

Yeah well... I ought to have said something at some point, such as... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #527

That probably would have gone well. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #529

Only after she arrived with her brat and allowed him to run wild. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #531

I'm just really wondering how this all happened as a giant surprise to you. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #538

i am curious about the age. age matters. and not a mention. 5? 10? 16? lol. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #513

Good heavens, it's not an either-or thing here Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #489

Thank you. Doesn't it make you wonder why these certain parents are taking it so personally? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #490

Yeah, you fail. Whoa_Nelly Dec 2011 #495

Interesting. yella_dawg Dec 2011 #521

I had a different name on DU back then, and dropped it and signed up on a new email/new name Whoa_Nelly Dec 2011 #534

I noticed that too. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #565

Well, at least she has good company. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #535

This thread have over 550 replies and 4170+ views. Shining Jack Dec 2011 #559

Nope. distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #569

Exactly. n/t distantearlywarning Dec 2011 #494

Let's look at the video from Christmas and see if the OP has a leg to stand on AngryAmish Dec 2011 #496

!!!!!!!! helderheid Dec 2011 #519

LMAO Broderick Dec 2011 #524

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2011 #566

I've been thinking on this lately. yella_dawg Dec 2011 #517

Excellent point for discussion! I wish you'd start a thread on this. However, beware. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #523

Ah, the old "good old days" theory. HuckleB Dec 2011 #528

Such as? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #530

If you had kids you would've given up pn this thread CreekDog Dec 2011 #540

If I were in Italy, I'd be sleeping. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #564

Are you saying you don't know much about history? HuckleB Dec 2011 #551

No, I'm saying prove your assertion. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #563

Why? HuckleB Feb 2012 #661

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In other words, you're choosing to ignore that sociology digs back into daily histories. HuckleB Dec 2011 #548

Wow did this bring out our opinions!! marlakay Dec 2011 #532

Thanks! You brought out a very interesting point, which is that Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #560

So okay you claim TZ Dec 2011 #533

Par for the course Broderick Dec 2011 #537

I'd say about half that list is perfectly innocuous behavior. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #539

+1 HuckleB Dec 2011 #553

Clearly you just don't care for children. Chemisse Dec 2011 #547

+1 HuckleB Dec 2011 #552

Oooh, if your kids are like those, I'm glad you're on the other side of a screen!! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #561

My kids are grown now but they were pretty well behaved. Chemisse Dec 2011 #618

I think what she describes in the OP is a mother who wants to be KurtNYC Dec 2011 #567

Bitterman ..... party of one your tables ready lost-in-nj Dec 2011 #556

My dad says that he's never seen a happy, spoiled kid. n/t Pryderi Dec 2011 #572

He's right. The behavior of spoiled kids is abnormal behavior. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #573

I know adults that exhibit pretty much every one of those examples. Many were NRaleighLiberal Dec 2011 #576

I really don't feel the aggravation that you do over these things that Liquorice Dec 2011 #577

Then you will like this story. lonestarnot Dec 2011 #578

ROFLMAO! I love that. There should be more people like you around. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #580

:) lonestarnot Dec 2011 #623

Here's something that a fellow parent I know says whenever bitter adults melissaf Dec 2011 #581

You missed one tiny point. Bad behavior in kids is the PARENTS' responsibility Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #583

I think most people understand that point Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #586

Yes Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #588

That post wasn't mine Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #589

You should listen and learn from whomever wrote that statement CreekDog Dec 2011 #595

As a mom, my motto is, if your mom isn't on your side, nobody else will be. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #582

Actually, melissaf Dec 2011 #593

The 5:00 restaurant rule is the key to happiness in the suburbs.......... Burma Jones Dec 2011 #604

Are there no prisons? And the union workhouses, are they still in operation? nt Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #599

Seems like this is lacking many details. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #600

I don't have kids.....have a stepson.... blueamy66 Dec 2011 #601

I love my nieces and nephews. Love taking them to the movies and Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #611

I can relate!!! blueamy66 Dec 2011 #617

God, me TOO!!! Isn't it bliss? I almost feel guilty about it. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #619

Yeah....it's fun to spoil them and then go home and put on my jammies blueamy66 Dec 2011 #622

Well, you'd get along pretty well with my wife and our three kids Burma Jones Dec 2011 #603

Wow, that woman was a total nutjob. What's more, unsolicited touching is battery. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #606

I don't have much to add to what has already been said. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #607

LOL! Everywhere you go, people run away. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #610

That's how it was when I was a little kid, too. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #628

And according to your chosen ID, you're full of hogwash. Interesting! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #631

These parents see their kids merely as extensions of themselves, begin_within Dec 2011 #613

If that's true, then it's like having a boil on one's neck and showing it off Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #615

They don't see the kid the same way we see them. begin_within Dec 2011 #621

I think I can help you... SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #614

The flame war wasn't begun by me. I explained something factual Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #616

Who composed the OP? taterguy Dec 2011 #636

Oh, so I'm supposed to be a fucking psychic and determine who might be an asshole responding to Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #637

I'm still waiting for an answer to these two questions. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #638

People have strong opinions about child-rearing taterguy Dec 2011 #640

And because people might have strong opinions I have to stfu about something Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #641

I would wager some here have stong opinions about adults who get their panties in a twist FedUpWithIt All Dec 2011 #643

And who starts threads like this every few months? And furthermore Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #644

As the host, you have a responsibility of putting your guests at ease Nikia Dec 2011 #639

I'm no nanny. I don't recall offering to play babysitter that evening. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #642

You shouldn't play the victim here, it was your party Nikia Dec 2011 #645

I can kick an adult guest out of my house in a jiffy or call the police on them Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #646

totally agree with op. polically incorrect Dec 2011 #649

Take it from me, a woman, get rid of this woman. Parents that insist on shoving the kids up Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #650

Gee whiz, you're the popular kid, Sarah! valerief Dec 2011 #651

Oh yeah. I had no idea every parent of a brat would come out to attack my post Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #652

If they spent that much energy disciplining their brats, the kids wouldn't be brats! valerief Jan 2012 #653

Oh ABSOLUTELY! Their little Timmy is NEVER a monster! Of course he isn't LOL! Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #659