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COLGATE4

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3. Now THAT's brilliant. Who do those goddamned

Tue May 3, 2016, 05:31 PM

May 2016

police think they are, anyway, criticizing people who believe that the best course of action for themselves - and their families and neighbors and society in general is that they should be armed at all times. Because the 2A to them seems to mean "I'm going to parade around wherever I damned well feel like showing off my arsenal because I CAN". Why would anything like that make a cop nervous? Silly cops.

Why make their lives easier??? Well, one immediate reason involving self preservation occurs to me. Police will react to an increased amount of armed persons in the general population by assuming that any person they contact may be armed and dangerous. Hard as it may be to believe, such an assumption is not really to the law abiding citizen's advantage. Like it or not, all those folk who feel they can't leave their weapon at home regardless of time, place or circumstances are putting all of us in more danger any time we come into contact with the police.

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As States Expand Gun Rights, the Police Object. [View all] elleng May 2016 OP

Some gun owners are quite responsible, but I bet there will be a lot of emotional RKP5637 May 2016 #1

Controller types always say that the streets are going to run red with blood... TipTok May 2016 #4

The streets ARE running red with blood AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #52

Except they aren't... TipTok May 2016 #59

has anyone tried that at a murder trial? AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #60

I'm not saying that there couldn't be improvement from virtually everyone involved... TipTok May 2016 #61

it's historically bad AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #62

If they don't like the work, they are free to change jobs, we don't run our lives to make it easier braddy May 2016 #2

Now THAT's brilliant. Who do those goddamned COLGATE4 May 2016 #3

If you want cops to decide your freedoms and rights, then we don't need politics and braddy May 2016 #5

Like I said, brilliant. Next time you're pulled over, be sure to tell COLGATE4 May 2016 #8

What is your point? We pass the laws and we hire people to enforce them, if the cops don't braddy May 2016 #9

My only points are 1) I see absolutely no need whatsoever for anyone who COLGATE4 May 2016 #10

Many of us do see a need to be armed, and you need to quit thinking that cops should braddy May 2016 #11

Please enlighten me with your 'need to be armed'. COLGATE4 May 2016 #12

That sounds like projection, I am confortable in my own skin, guns don't scare me so I don't mind braddy May 2016 #20

Doesn't sound like you're 'comfortable in your own skin'. And 'guns don't scare COLGATE4 May 2016 #25

I am comfortable in my own skin, that is why I have always gone where and when I please, do you? braddy May 2016 #30

Yep. And I'm willing to bet you that I've been in and gone COLGATE4 May 2016 #33

That is a bet that you would probably lose, but your intense passion in not wanting me to carry is braddy May 2016 #35

No, I really wouldn't. But that's beside the point. COLGATE4 May 2016 #46

Strange projection that you do on the law abiding people, thinking that they are braddy May 2016 #48

To the contrary. I've lived in areas where you can just as easily get COLGATE4 May 2016 #49

I can believe that you have lived among neighbors that you consider dangerous and threatening, braddy May 2016 #53

I lived and worked in Medellin, Colombia during much COLGATE4 May 2016 #54

What does that have to do with America? Here, in most places, a law abiding citizen can carry braddy May 2016 #57

Because you were insisting that I had never been in a dangerous place/situation. COLGATE4 May 2016 #63

You claimed " And I'm willing to bet you that I've been in and gone through places a great deal braddy May 2016 #66

As opposed to all the bad guys you've taken knives or guns from??? COLGATE4 May 2016 #67

I've got plenty of stories, I see no way that I could get so fearful of myself that I would be braddy May 2016 #68

So, if a person doesn't carry a gun it's because (s)he is so fearful of themself COLGATE4 May 2016 #69

No, but you are aren't simply not interested in not carrying a gun yourself, you don't want braddy May 2016 #70

Still no answer about why you are so fearful of "law abiding people" that you COLGATE4 May 2016 #55

It is a silly question, you have yet to explain why a man should deliberately avoid carrying his braddy May 2016 #58

You do know that the stuff you do on video games COLGATE4 May 2016 #64

Like I said, it sounds like you have lived a sheltered life. braddy May 2016 #65

Why do you need to be armed? Are you a private investigator or a driver for Brinx? madinmaryland May 2016 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie May 2016 #16

One of the great perks of being LE is being able to carry just about anytime, anywhere. jmg257 May 2016 #23

I have no problem with LE carrying. I worry about all the COLGATE4 May 2016 #50

You appear to be consciously conflating "police deciding your freedom and rights" LanternWaste May 2016 #14

The person posting to me seems to give GREAT weight to the cop's opinions, and was describing it braddy May 2016 #17

Plenty of example of Police (Chief) organizations getting into the politics jmg257 May 2016 #34

Rank-and-file police officers are seldom anti-gun. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #13

I know, and you are correct, but I didn't feel like digging up the numbers, cops feel safer when braddy May 2016 #15

Well that certainly shows in their policing Egnever May 2016 #18

I think that we have a different kind of cop today, than what we had 60 years ago. braddy May 2016 #21

And just WHY are cops more prone to shoot nowadays? groundloop May 2016 #22

I think it is because they can't fight any more, remember that they use to have size requirements. braddy May 2016 #26

50 years ago you could squeeze off a few rounds at presumed bad guys for jmg257 May 2016 #28

We need to start hiring cops that are not so risk averse, they are killing too many innocent braddy May 2016 #32

Risk is a given part of the job, it's expected when you put yourself in harm's way. jmg257 May 2016 #36

You ignored my point, they are killing too many people to avoid risk. braddy May 2016 #37

Sorry - in some cases I agree. And certainly not every cop is in it to be a hero. jmg257 May 2016 #38

Gun owners who are too trigger-happy are killing too many innocent people. nt raccoon May 2016 #39

Before we get into all humans in America, let's first concentrate on the ones that we hire to be braddy May 2016 #40

Thread win. COLGATE4 May 2016 #47

This is why I am pro-gun bigwillq May 2016 #6

You gotta have guns in day care centers. Toddlers are more dangerous than terrorists. (n/t) Iggo May 2016 #7

Sadly that might actually be true. Egnever May 2016 #19

Rural LEOs don't mind, it's normally the Mayors right hand men that object. ileus May 2016 #24

Who cares what they think about it? Taitertots May 2016 #27

He should talk to the Chief of Detroit's PD. Old discussion. In GD. Eleanors38 May 2016 #42

Police have always been an obstacle to expanded civil rights. hack89 May 2016 #29

I wonder if the chief carries all the time - on duty and off. nt jmg257 May 2016 #31

So-o-o glad an old, general discussion of gun laws & police politics makes its way into GD. Eleanors38 May 2016 #41

You should read Skinner's pinned thread. pintobean May 2016 #43

So, full-time, all the time, huh? Why have the exception? Maybe it's that "Consensus®" thing. Eleanors38 May 2016 #44

That thread is almost two years old. pintobean May 2016 #45

The OP is an old chestnut dating to before Duran Duran... Eleanors38 May 2016 #56

Aren't the police the first ones to escalate to firearms in most cases? AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #51

Police objected to Miranda, too. And boy they hate due process. So what? X_Digger May 2016 #71

More afraid of the police with guns TrappedInUtah May 2016 #73