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COLGATE4

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33. Yep. And I'm willing to bet you that I've been in and gone

Wed May 4, 2016, 03:06 PM

May 2016

through places a great deal riskier than any you have ever encountered. And yet I've done it unarmed and lived to tell the tale. What job do you consider having a gun useful for (except maybe using it as a hammer)?

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As States Expand Gun Rights, the Police Object. [View all] elleng May 2016 OP

Some gun owners are quite responsible, but I bet there will be a lot of emotional RKP5637 May 2016 #1

Controller types always say that the streets are going to run red with blood... TipTok May 2016 #4

The streets ARE running red with blood AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #52

Except they aren't... TipTok May 2016 #59

has anyone tried that at a murder trial? AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #60

I'm not saying that there couldn't be improvement from virtually everyone involved... TipTok May 2016 #61

it's historically bad AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #62

If they don't like the work, they are free to change jobs, we don't run our lives to make it easier braddy May 2016 #2

Now THAT's brilliant. Who do those goddamned COLGATE4 May 2016 #3

If you want cops to decide your freedoms and rights, then we don't need politics and braddy May 2016 #5

Like I said, brilliant. Next time you're pulled over, be sure to tell COLGATE4 May 2016 #8

What is your point? We pass the laws and we hire people to enforce them, if the cops don't braddy May 2016 #9

My only points are 1) I see absolutely no need whatsoever for anyone who COLGATE4 May 2016 #10

Many of us do see a need to be armed, and you need to quit thinking that cops should braddy May 2016 #11

Please enlighten me with your 'need to be armed'. COLGATE4 May 2016 #12

That sounds like projection, I am confortable in my own skin, guns don't scare me so I don't mind braddy May 2016 #20

Doesn't sound like you're 'comfortable in your own skin'. And 'guns don't scare COLGATE4 May 2016 #25

I am comfortable in my own skin, that is why I have always gone where and when I please, do you? braddy May 2016 #30

Yep. And I'm willing to bet you that I've been in and gone COLGATE4 May 2016 #33

That is a bet that you would probably lose, but your intense passion in not wanting me to carry is braddy May 2016 #35

No, I really wouldn't. But that's beside the point. COLGATE4 May 2016 #46

Strange projection that you do on the law abiding people, thinking that they are braddy May 2016 #48

To the contrary. I've lived in areas where you can just as easily get COLGATE4 May 2016 #49

I can believe that you have lived among neighbors that you consider dangerous and threatening, braddy May 2016 #53

I lived and worked in Medellin, Colombia during much COLGATE4 May 2016 #54

What does that have to do with America? Here, in most places, a law abiding citizen can carry braddy May 2016 #57

Because you were insisting that I had never been in a dangerous place/situation. COLGATE4 May 2016 #63

You claimed " And I'm willing to bet you that I've been in and gone through places a great deal braddy May 2016 #66

As opposed to all the bad guys you've taken knives or guns from??? COLGATE4 May 2016 #67

I've got plenty of stories, I see no way that I could get so fearful of myself that I would be braddy May 2016 #68

So, if a person doesn't carry a gun it's because (s)he is so fearful of themself COLGATE4 May 2016 #69

No, but you are aren't simply not interested in not carrying a gun yourself, you don't want braddy May 2016 #70

Still no answer about why you are so fearful of "law abiding people" that you COLGATE4 May 2016 #55

It is a silly question, you have yet to explain why a man should deliberately avoid carrying his braddy May 2016 #58

You do know that the stuff you do on video games COLGATE4 May 2016 #64

Like I said, it sounds like you have lived a sheltered life. braddy May 2016 #65

Why do you need to be armed? Are you a private investigator or a driver for Brinx? madinmaryland May 2016 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie May 2016 #16

One of the great perks of being LE is being able to carry just about anytime, anywhere. jmg257 May 2016 #23

I have no problem with LE carrying. I worry about all the COLGATE4 May 2016 #50

You appear to be consciously conflating "police deciding your freedom and rights" LanternWaste May 2016 #14

The person posting to me seems to give GREAT weight to the cop's opinions, and was describing it braddy May 2016 #17

Plenty of example of Police (Chief) organizations getting into the politics jmg257 May 2016 #34

Rank-and-file police officers are seldom anti-gun. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #13

I know, and you are correct, but I didn't feel like digging up the numbers, cops feel safer when braddy May 2016 #15

Well that certainly shows in their policing Egnever May 2016 #18

I think that we have a different kind of cop today, than what we had 60 years ago. braddy May 2016 #21

And just WHY are cops more prone to shoot nowadays? groundloop May 2016 #22

I think it is because they can't fight any more, remember that they use to have size requirements. braddy May 2016 #26

50 years ago you could squeeze off a few rounds at presumed bad guys for jmg257 May 2016 #28

We need to start hiring cops that are not so risk averse, they are killing too many innocent braddy May 2016 #32

Risk is a given part of the job, it's expected when you put yourself in harm's way. jmg257 May 2016 #36

You ignored my point, they are killing too many people to avoid risk. braddy May 2016 #37

Sorry - in some cases I agree. And certainly not every cop is in it to be a hero. jmg257 May 2016 #38

Gun owners who are too trigger-happy are killing too many innocent people. nt raccoon May 2016 #39

Before we get into all humans in America, let's first concentrate on the ones that we hire to be braddy May 2016 #40

Thread win. COLGATE4 May 2016 #47

This is why I am pro-gun bigwillq May 2016 #6

You gotta have guns in day care centers. Toddlers are more dangerous than terrorists. (n/t) Iggo May 2016 #7

Sadly that might actually be true. Egnever May 2016 #19

Rural LEOs don't mind, it's normally the Mayors right hand men that object. ileus May 2016 #24

Who cares what they think about it? Taitertots May 2016 #27

He should talk to the Chief of Detroit's PD. Old discussion. In GD. Eleanors38 May 2016 #42

Police have always been an obstacle to expanded civil rights. hack89 May 2016 #29

I wonder if the chief carries all the time - on duty and off. nt jmg257 May 2016 #31

So-o-o glad an old, general discussion of gun laws & police politics makes its way into GD. Eleanors38 May 2016 #41

You should read Skinner's pinned thread. pintobean May 2016 #43

So, full-time, all the time, huh? Why have the exception? Maybe it's that "Consensus®" thing. Eleanors38 May 2016 #44

That thread is almost two years old. pintobean May 2016 #45

The OP is an old chestnut dating to before Duran Duran... Eleanors38 May 2016 #56

Aren't the police the first ones to escalate to firearms in most cases? AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #51

Police objected to Miranda, too. And boy they hate due process. So what? X_Digger May 2016 #71

More afraid of the police with guns TrappedInUtah May 2016 #73