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In reply to the discussion: So how does Hillary beat Trump? [View all]Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Look at her numbers vs Trump. She even LOSES to Trump in one poll (Rasmussen).
Recent matchup polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
Now look at Bernie Sanders vs Trump. He beats Trump by TWICE the margins that Clinton beats Trump, in these recent polls, and he's been doing this for 4 to 5 months now. (I've been following those polls.)
Further, three of Clinton's numbers are within, or not far from, the margin of error. So, while Sanders demolishes Trump, Clinton has an uphill battle and many handicaps, including very bad trustworthy and favorability numbers, and very bad "momentum" curves (the more people are exposed to her, the less they like her--whereas Sanders has the opposite effect). Trump's favorability is also low, but he has something going for him that I don't think many analysts have yet perceived, and it is this: vs Clinton, Trump looks like the rebel to many people.
I'm working class and have many working class friends and acquaintances, and they despise Clinton and admire Trump for the very reason that he is unpredictable and irreverent and beholden only to himself (a self-made man). They view Clinton as the corrupt establishment that oppresses them, but not Trump. He is, maybe, what they aspire to be? Rich enough so that no one can control them?
And here is a fascinating fact: One of these acquaintances said to me that she would love a Trump/Sanders ticket!
Go figure.
But what this may mean is that, if Sanders is our nominee, he can get such voters to think more seriously about the issues, and understand how much better his New Deal-platform would be for them, than anything Trump has to offer. SOMETHING Sanders has said, that has gotten through to this acquaintance, has caused her to view Sanders so favorably that she would want him as Trump's VP. (Trump is her first choice.) Sounds crazy, but to her it wasn't. To her it was logical. Why?
Clinton, and the entire Democratic Party establishment, and the Corrupt Media have all underestimated (or haven't even noticed) the rebellion that has been boiling beneath the surface of this country for a very long time. If we nominate Clinton, we will not only lose leadership of that rebellion, we will GIVE the leadership of it to Trump! It will become a fascist rather than a democratic, New Deal rebellion. If we nominate Sanders, the rebellious energy is OURS and will go in a very positive direction, toward substantive and long overdue reform, and a better deal for everybody.
One more thing: The independent voters are the key to the General Election. Clinton can't draw them. Sanders does and will. The Dem primaries have been too stacked and too exclusive to reflect this reality. Clinton has focused all her attention on a narrow base within the Democratic Party, which is not the majority party any more. The independents are the majority party. And they overwhelmingly dislike Clinton and won't be herded. Some are attracted by Trump's rebel-ness. But many more respond to Sanders' thoughtful analysis and agenda, as the polls cited above show, and as polls have consistently shown for many months. We are NOT getting an accurate picture of the electorate in the Dem primaries. There are many progressives, now, who are outside of the Democratic Party.