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pampango

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88. I like your idea. As you know any such arrangement with Canada and Mexico would scare the right wing

Sat May 14, 2016, 08:10 AM

May 2016

'New World Order' conspiracy theorists who fixate on a future North American Union.

... its true aim was to expand NAFTA into a North American Union analogous to the European Union (EU), with open borders and a common currency among other features, was being made by the fall of 2006, when conservative commentators Phyllis Schlafly, Jerome Corsi and Howard Phillips started a website dedicated to quashing what they perceived as the coming North American "Socialist mega-state".

John Birch Society

The society opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, claiming it violated the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and overstepped individual states' rights to enact laws regarding civil rights. The society opposes "one world government", and it has an immigration reduction view on immigration reform. It opposes the United Nations, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), and other free trade agreements. They argue the U.S. Constitution has been devalued in favor of political and economic globalization, and that this alleged trend is not accidental. It cited the existence of the former Security and Prosperity Partnership as evidence of a push towards a North American Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society#Values

I like your idea. Alas, 'national sovereignty is paramount' folks will be aghast at the idea of negotiating such an agreement with Canada and Mexico.

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What are we supposed to do about illegal immigration? [View all] runaway hero May 2016 OP

Strong regulations against worker exploitation. Scootaloo May 2016 #1

+1000 trof May 2016 #14

Just read this NSA code, FBI punks! Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #73

^^^ THIS. nt MH1 May 2016 #20

^^^^ THIS nt katsy May 2016 #26

Change "Fair Pay" to "Union Pay"...and I agree 100% Jack Bone May 2016 #54

Why do we need to do anything? scscholar May 2016 #2

Because it's a crime runaway hero May 2016 #3

Yes, REAL crimes, like having my SS# stolen and used by an illegal immigrant JimDandy May 2016 #29

Legalize it. stone space May 2016 #4

a fine then? runaway hero May 2016 #6

How does $1 per joint sound? stone space May 2016 #9

I like it! runaway hero May 2016 #13

Legalize pot 1939 May 2016 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2016 #66

The government obviously 1939 May 2016 #85

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modernize the laws treestar May 2016 #5

Net 'illegal immigration' has dropped to close to zero though it is still a great scapegoat for the pampango May 2016 #7

Yep. My theory is legalize anyone who has a job offer treestar May 2016 #92

Your "concern" is noted Major Nikon May 2016 #8

Do you have a solution or no? runaway hero May 2016 #11

I'd vote for a pizza Major Nikon May 2016 #12

You have yet to demonstrate a problem. stone space May 2016 #15

How do we balance the latinos with the working class votes, is my question or problem. runaway hero May 2016 #17

My wife is both latina and working class. I don't understand the "balancing" thingie. stone space May 2016 #19

Okay let's try it this way runaway hero May 2016 #23

(1) Yes. (2) Legalize it. stone space May 2016 #25

fair enough runaway hero May 2016 #35

The first reply to your OP gave the answer. MH1 May 2016 #21

Thanks. runaway hero May 2016 #22

Latinos don't work? pangaia May 2016 #51

the different voting blocks runaway hero May 2016 #64

Quit babbling about walls and pass comprehensive immigration reform legislation. Redwoods Red May 2016 #10

Legalize, Border clearing stations, etc. One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #16

Legalization and Citizenship philosslayer May 2016 #18

One of the few things that Reagan did right was... RichGirl May 2016 #27

You seem to have ideas. What are they? HuckleB May 2016 #28

Close bussinesses using undocumented workers and confiscate all property Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #30

Disagree. Merely refusing to discriminate does not deserve draconian measures. stone space May 2016 #31

You are wrong. Businesses base their entire business model on the use of cheap, undocumented labor. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #32

You are slandering people who you don't even know based on stereotypes. stone space May 2016 #34

I am slandering no one. Businesses hire undocumented workers so they can make more money, Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #38

You are slandering the gay couple who hired my wife, and who hosted our wedding reception. stone space May 2016 #41

I am slandering no one. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #43

You are slandering our friends. Simply because they didn't discriminate against my wife. stone space May 2016 #45

You are wrong. The issue is not discrimination. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #47

You haven't been talking about cheap labor. stone space May 2016 #48

I've been talking about cheap labor. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #52

Do you want to close their business and confiscate their property or not? stone space May 2016 #53

I want businesses to stop using cheap labor to increase their profits. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #55

Evidence? stone space May 2016 #56

Major American companies benefit from undocumented workers Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #58

I'm not going to click on 5 frickin' just links to find the one... stone space May 2016 #62

I see that you do not want to gather information about the problem. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #63

Do you want to shut down their business and confiscate their property or not? (nt) stone space May 2016 #65

Sure - why educate yourself? Cary on. 840high May 2016 #74

About what? You'll have to send me to a reeducation camp if you want me to agree that... stone space May 2016 #78

too disruptive treestar May 2016 #93

I don't consider it disruptive to insist that businesses who profit by exploiting cheap labor Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #95

too much to enforce treestar May 2016 #96

Yes, people would rather get lower prices on food, houses, hotels. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #99

that's because they are dumb treestar May 2016 #100

Yes, "People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." Men in Black Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #103

I thought we were for giving illegal immigrants working papers? Yupster May 2016 #42

An immigrant with working papers is a "Documented Worker." Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #44

Don't we want illegal immigrants to be Yupster May 2016 #46

What we want is to require all businesses to pay full wages rather than pad their profits Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #49

You seem more interested in closing businesses and confiscating property than protecting workers. stone space May 2016 #57

Unless we stop the employers who abuse workers, we are not protecting workers. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #59

You want to close business and confiscate property from... stone space May 2016 #60

Major American companies benefit from undocumented workers Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #61

I agree with you. phylny May 2016 #91

There is a migrant camp not far from the trail where I take my morning walk. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #94

Get rid of the concept of 'illegal immigration' mwrguy May 2016 #33

we have borders runaway hero May 2016 #36

Iowa has borders as well. stone space May 2016 #39

an international border crossing runaway hero May 2016 #50

It could be treestar May 2016 #102

they ought to treestar May 2016 #101

I prefer to use undocumented worker. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #40

A much more accurate description of what you are doing here. stone space May 2016 #67

Major American companies benefit from undocumented workers Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #68

You said that our friends should have their business closed and their property confiscated. stone space May 2016 #69

Clearly you did no read the articles and do not care about the issue. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #70

You are peddling nothing but hate. stone space May 2016 #72

You're making this all about 840high May 2016 #76

Not about me at all. I'm not the one who would have... stone space May 2016 #79

Wow, let it go. a la izquierda May 2016 #84

I'm sure you will feed them 840high May 2016 #75

What's your next complaint? Free college? stone space May 2016 #80

Are you willing to abolish social security? Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #87

Make them citizens and let them join unions. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #37

My solution will take some doing, but it's more feasible than any of yours jmowreader May 2016 #71

Good post. 840high May 2016 #77

I like your idea. As you know any such arrangement with Canada and Mexico would scare the right wing pampango May 2016 #88

Let anyone who wants to come here come gwheezie May 2016 #81

What we should do about it, ronnie624 May 2016 #82

It's pretty silly to me, to believe the "common good" stops at artificial borders. qdouble May 2016 #83

Punish the employers Matrosov May 2016 #89

I think we should take them in and take care of them. bemildred May 2016 #90

Isn't it essentially zero at this point? (nt) Recursion May 2016 #97

Crack down on worker explotiation and offer a path to citizenship for those here now. apnu May 2016 #98

Make them go to the wrong bathroom jberryhill May 2016 #104