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PufPuf23

(8,775 posts)
9. Venezuela under Chavez just could not benefit regardless of actions.
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:22 AM
May 2016

Care for the Venezuelan people does not appear to be reciprocal.

The $465 million was just for one year out of at least 8 years heating oil was provided to the poor in the USA.

Venezuela in good faith also provided low cost fuels to a number of other countries.

How much money has the war monger and empire contingent spent to destabilize Venezuela and other countries?

Has the now 18 years invested in Plan Colombia worked out?

Business opportunities and a pending free trade agreement that will penalize the poor and working class in favor of trans-national corporations?

Venezuela has never tried to deliberately destabilize our government and economy.

In 1938 Standard Oil of New Jersey sourced 38% of their oil from Venezuela, 38% of oil from the USA, and the remainder elsewhere, primarily Canada. Venezuela is the richest oil patch in the western hemisphere. Venezuela provided most of the fuel for the Allies in Europe in WWII, much processed at refiners on Aruba and Curacao. The biggest sin of Venezuela was to nationalize the oil sector (much like Gadaffi in Libya, Hussein in Iraq, and farther back Iran).

Neo-liberals want to do to Venezuela what has occurred in Colombia with coal. Our problem with Venezuela has more to do with access to cheap natural resources than humanitarian reasons.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Colombia_and_coal

Colombia and coal

Colombia is the world's tenth largest producer of hard coals and the fourth largest exporter of coal, based on 2009 data.[1] The U.S. Geological Survey states that Colombia is the largest coal producer in South America and has the largest reserves in the region. It also states that coal mining for export is booming in Colombia, with production having increased by 80% since 1999.[2][2]

Coal output in 2010 stood at 74.35 million tons, a 2% increase from 2009 but below the government's target of 80 million tons, reportedly due to unusually heavy rains in the last months of the year. Colombia's total coal exports for 2010 came in at 68.14 million tons. Carlos Rodado, Colombia's mining minister, has said coal output will reach 144 million tons in 2020.[3]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/awash-in-coal-u-s-imports-even-more-1407974928

August 13, 2014.

Coal imports are rising sharply even as coal mines close throughout the Central Appalachia.

A big reason: Price. It costs $26 a ton to ship coal from Central Appalachia to power plants in Florida compared with $15 a ton to get coal from a mine in Colombia according to research firm IHS Energy.

Labor costs are lower in Colombia, and it's much more cost effective to move coal by ship, which can transport well over 50,000 tons of coal, than by train usually made of over 100 railcars, each carrying only 100 tons of coal. In addition, a global coal glut has weaken prices for Colombian coal.

Coal imports surged 44% to 5.4 million metric tons during the first 6 months of 2014, compared with a year ago, according to Global Trade Information Services. Two-thirds came from Colombia, which ramped up coal production and exported 24% more coal during the first five months, compared with the same period in 2013, the data provider said.

more at link.

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What is not said is that there has been violence against union organizers and native people and the USA has established nine military bases in Colombia as well as military based in the Netherlands Antilles just off the coast of Venezuela.



That is a mistranslation. AngryAmish May 2016 #1
Thread win on the first reply. Nt msanthrope May 2016 #7
Exactly. Venezuela is spelled C h i l e. leveymg May 2016 #53
Pushed over the cliff is correct malaise May 2016 #2
If you have proof that Maduro is a CIA plant, then, yes. Nt msanthrope May 2016 #8
As if that's the question. Octafish May 2016 #10
Funniest post, evah! Nt msanthrope May 2016 #11
No one pushed Venezuela off the cliff, they jumped. FLPanhandle May 2016 #3
Oh yes...the old America's fault excuse. ileus May 2016 #4
Anyone recall this? PufPuf23 May 2016 #5
Yep. Chavez' gratuitous ploy to gain support in the US by sending heating oil COLGATE4 May 2016 #6
Venezuela under Chavez just could not benefit regardless of actions. PufPuf23 May 2016 #9
Interesting. But it says nothing about 18 years of complete and total incompetence by Chavez COLGATE4 May 2016 #13
Chavez was President of Venezuela for 14 years; the first several years included PufPuf23 May 2016 #15
Seeing as the US is Venezuela's greatest trading partner I don't see how COLGATE4 May 2016 #16
Examples of where we cooperated in internal sabotage of industry? PufPuf23 May 2016 #19
The US bases in Colombia are and have been in support of Plan Colombia COLGATE4 May 2016 #21
There were two bases on the Dutch Antilles established under Plan Colombia, PufPuf23 May 2016 #26
So you're talking about 2 bases in the Dutch Antilles COLGATE4 May 2016 #31
The two Antilles FOLs and Manta were staffed with US military and contractors. PufPuf23 May 2016 #43
Agreed. COLGATE4 May 2016 #44
What "help" would you suggest the US give Maduro? COLGATE4 May 2016 #17
Bulk food and life necessities, no strings attached. PufPuf23 May 2016 #22
Doubtful. Venezuelan oil is of such low quality that it is COLGATE4 May 2016 #30
You are generalizing. Not all Venezuelan oil is heavy crude. PufPuf23 May 2016 #37
Not "all" - just most of it. COLGATE4 May 2016 #42
Do you realize the enormity of what you're suggesting? Bulk food for the population COLGATE4 May 2016 #32
I never said to feed all of Venezuela nor to take responsibilty for Venezuaelan woes. PufPuf23 May 2016 #39
I did a lot of work in and with Venezuela in the late 1990's and I can assure COLGATE4 May 2016 #41
I recall this... TampaAnimusVortex May 2016 #12
Are you serious? Pinochet was installed in a US-backed coup on 1973 and PufPuf23 May 2016 #14
Straw man is very strawy TampaAnimusVortex May 2016 #48
I don't doubt that the rate and period of per capita income growth in Chile you cite is OK. PufPuf23 May 2016 #49
Not quite... TampaAnimusVortex May 2016 #50
Note in the chart the dip that bottomed out in Chile in 1975 and continued until 1991. PufPuf23 May 2016 #51
Pardon me if I disagree TampaAnimusVortex May 2016 #56
Fine. eom. PufPuf23 May 2016 #57
Pretzel Logic Octafish May 2016 #18
Thank you for noticing Octafish. Made my day. eom PufPuf23 May 2016 #27
I've been fighting with the idiots over this, they are crowing about that bad socialism. Rex May 2016 #34
They are a member of a price fixing oil cartel mathematic May 2016 #52
It is a stretch to say OPEC has been a successful cartel in the 21st century. PufPuf23 May 2016 #55
Always enlightening to see non-capitalism in action. Nye Bevan May 2016 #20
For a government dependent on oil revenues... bhikkhu May 2016 #23
This. killbotfactory May 2016 #25
And despite being colonized longer than any other nation on the planet 1939 May 2016 #33
Chavez and Maduro fucked up Venezuela, not the US. Adrahil May 2016 #24
OPEC might be done, the bottoming out of oil has destroyed the nation and others are soon to follow. Rex May 2016 #28
This thread exposes the neoliberals on this board kcjohn1 May 2016 #29
Where do you get 5% from? NobodyHere May 2016 #35
Many places kcjohn1 May 2016 #36
That's a pretty old number NobodyHere May 2016 #40
LOL WSJ as source LOOOOOL kcjohn1 May 2016 #46
Except it hasn't; extreme poverty in Venezuela has doubled since 2007 Spider Jerusalem May 2016 #45
That's from before the Venezuelan collapse. Adrahil May 2016 #47
Yep. Only 5% are forced into eating dog meat. The others get to stand in line COLGATE4 May 2016 #38
Today Venezuela, tomorrow the U.S.A. hunter May 2016 #54
Bad decisions compounded by some very shitty luck. Lancero May 2016 #58
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