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Hortensis

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48. :) Start by educating themselves. Like, Hillary is LIBERAL.
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

Last edited Sun May 29, 2016, 01:44 PM - Edit history (1)

We need to understand just who we are! The misconceptions are huge and, frankly, as silly as anything Trump can come up with. For instance, two little examples:

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is in an ugly war with itself over a left-wing
liberal and a slightly-to-the-right centrist.


1. Not even close on Hillary's ideology. We are nominating a candidate who averages out as a firm/strong liberal in every honest study.

"Hillary Clinton was the 11th most liberal member of Congress" -- and that's in THIS Congress on the far right where the Democratic caucus is more liberal than it has been in 100 years.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/3/31/1374629/-Hillary-Clinton-Was-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/

2. We're not really in an ugly war with ourselves. That is a media distortion to keep interest stoked. By far most Democrats, the proportion expected when this all started in fact, intend to vote for our nominee, and this has been demonstrated by various relatively high-quality studies and polls.

The vote is the only thing that counts, and the "ugly" will mostly just disappear from discussion when the media move on with the GE.

Cyrano, we are doing pretty well overall. The GOP is in the toilet, and that ascending blue line points to most of the cause. They have gone batshit crazy, adopting ideology that was previously neither even close to mainstream nor even respectable and that is both dysfunctional and incompatible with democracy, and with the 21st century.

Don't get sucked into the giant whirlpool of factional and commercial disinformation. Tack down just a few facts you can evaluate huge claims from, like the number of Democrats expected to vote for our nominee, and you can dismiss most of the "insanity" for the nonsense it is.


I think we underestimate the degree to which Trump supporters Fresh_Start May 2016 #1
I think that's quite true. Their bottom line is to destroy the system they feel has not served them RKP5637 May 2016 #2
totally agree Fresh_Start May 2016 #4
Definitely true! And as you say, an even more conservative outcome. Generally authoritarian RKP5637 May 2016 #6
US has already become a hellhole... 99th_Monkey May 2016 #28
Definitely! And with Trump, it will be on steroids. Those thinking he's their F'en hero are RKP5637 May 2016 #36
You may be suffering from Battered Serf Syndrome AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #7
I agree... at this point in time, with the GOP on the edge of destruction, not voting Dem is Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #8
When Scott Biao (i.e., Chachi) talks about his support for Trump, he says this: tblue37 May 2016 #17
i understand the impulse... Fresh_Start May 2016 #23
Frederick Pohl proposed something like that decades ago. SusanCalvin May 2016 #25
Along those lines, Stonepounder May 2016 #37
I think you're referring to "Franchise," by Isaac Asimov Cyrano May 2016 #39
That's it. Thanks. n/t Stonepounder May 2016 #40
I was thinking about that story just the other day! nt tblue37 May 2016 #41
I would directly reject this notion Cosmocat May 2016 #45
Crossed the line? We got drunk on Bud Light and jumped the line on a dirtbike from the flea market NightWatcher May 2016 #3
you forgot a few attributes Fresh_Start May 2016 #5
Too many of us, yes. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #26
who's this we, paleface? Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #9
'Murica that's who NightWatcher May 2016 #12
YEP Cosmocat May 2016 #46
Hmmmm? libodem May 2016 #10
We crossed the insanity line with Reagan and have been being slowly destroyed ever since. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #30
You don't remember that week? Egnever May 2016 #43
It's become an SNL skit writ large. WinkyDink May 2016 #13
Except it's not funny. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #27
"Except"? ;-) WinkyDink May 2016 #47
So you said to not have GDP posts in here... mindwalker_i May 2016 #14
I agree. Whether they like it or not we are still in the middle of a primary so any liberal_at_heart May 2016 #18
the disgruntled masses are the War Pigs May 2016 #15
I think Trump and Ryan bucolic_frolic May 2016 #16
Well said. nruthie May 2016 #19
unification won't help MisterP May 2016 #20
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #21
Psychopaths Johnny2X2X May 2016 #22
Many of them see Trump as the proverbial "useful idiot". . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #34
"The path toward such an era has been laid" awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #24
"Unchartered" territory is one of my favorite malapropisms rjsquirrel May 2016 #29
:) Start by educating themselves. Like, Hillary is LIBERAL. Hortensis May 2016 #48
Maybe you better take a look at the definition of insanity again. zalinda May 2016 #31
If trump gets elected the movie Idiocracy with be a documentary not a fantasy kimbutgar May 2016 #32
If I were young today and had the means, I would get out of the US. n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #38
When 2016 started the Republicans were badly divided & the Democrats supposed to have a stroll. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #33
We are. Really. Most of the strife is media Hortensis May 2016 #49
In my opinion, and it is a well-considered one, the neoliberal PatrickforO May 2016 #35
Biff Tannen for president. roamer65 May 2016 #42
We did that a long time ago when Reagan took office. They knew their actions would Rex May 2016 #44
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