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Orrex

(63,086 posts)
19. Regardless
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jun 2016

In the history of US gun violence, no gun advocate has offered a real and credible solution. Instead, they exclusively busy themselves with complaining about definitions (e.g. "It's not a clip--it's a magazine!&quot , calls for increased gun ownership, or making vague and unhelpful pronouncements about mental health care.

If correcting the 2nd amendment is what it takes to reduce gun violence, than all responsible gun owners should be behind that effort 100%.


+1,000 malaise Jun 2016 #1
Sorry but the victims will be mourned and it is not about you and your issues. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #4
. JudyM Jun 2016 #10
In Florida, guns are banned from being taken into bars. So there was supposed to be no guns. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #42
Yeah, another few dozen people spraying bullets around into Station to Station Jun 2016 #44
I believe that your average concealed carrier wouldn't just start "spraying bullets". Kang Colby Jun 2016 #46
There was a concealed carrier there last night Station to Station Jun 2016 #51
I understand where you are coming from.... Kang Colby Jun 2016 #54
It is often because they are emotive targets and Station to Station Jun 2016 #61
I disagree with your argument. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #63
To be perfectly honest I haven't been very calm Station to Station Jun 2016 #68
Because people prefer to congregate in places where there are fewer weapons. eggplant Jun 2016 #62
I don't think that is true. n/t Kang Colby Jun 2016 #65
I'm not here to convince you. eggplant Jun 2016 #111
These shootings occur whether guns are banned or not. apcalc Jun 2016 #67
No they don't. Kentonio Jun 2016 #74
I've been saying that for years Even no guns for LEOs Hayduke Bomgarte Jun 2016 #59
That's not getting the job done. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #2
Time for an assault weapon ban mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #3
Not now...after someone successfully defines "assault weapon"... pipoman Jun 2016 #7
OK MillennialDem Jun 2016 #9
Dictionary definitions and legal definitions are two completely different things.. pipoman Jun 2016 #20
Then let's not fuck around with definitions. Here's the solution: Orrex Jun 2016 #13
Thats an option, you'll have to amend the constitution of course... pipoman Jun 2016 #17
Regardless Orrex Jun 2016 #19
Solution? There is no solution to some people wanting to kill others pipoman Jun 2016 #22
Funny that other countries manage to do it, then. Orrex Jun 2016 #30
You do know that other countries don't have the US Constitution or BoR, no? pipoman Jun 2016 #37
Other countries don't have the US Constitution? Amazing! Who knew? Orrex Jun 2016 #47
Yep, as I said in the beginning, amend the constitution... pipoman Jun 2016 #49
Since you know that that's effectively impossible... Orrex Jun 2016 #56
A lot pipoman Jun 2016 #69
"Big gun control" Orrex Jun 2016 #75
More with the impossible? ffs pipoman Jun 2016 #78
+1 spooky3 Jun 2016 #50
Why? Constitution doesn't say what constitutes an arm. Would the constitution need to be MillennialDem Jun 2016 #25
It has been defined and settled by SCOTUS pipoman Jun 2016 #34
Overturning that bullshit Heller decision would be a good first step Orrex Jun 2016 #35
Just like the Roe overturn crowd....we'll all be dead before that happens pipoman Jun 2016 #41
Hardly the same, and I sure as hell hope that you know it. Orrex Jun 2016 #43
It's exactly the same. pipoman Jun 2016 #48
Maybe you're right. Orrex Jun 2016 #55
Help yourself.... pipoman Jun 2016 #64
No it isn't. Scotus is free to overrule itself. Much easier than an amendment - for evidence I MillennialDem Jun 2016 #83
wishful thinking....not in any of our lifetime pipoman Jun 2016 #91
Lot can change in 60 years... unless I get hit by a bus. MillennialDem Jun 2016 #97
not as much as you might think.... pipoman Jun 2016 #101
How old are you now? MillennialDem Jun 2016 #107
It DOES say specifically the "press". All other communications need not apply? Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #81
Obviously there are limits to any freedom. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is not MillennialDem Jun 2016 #84
Even the fire-in-theater free speech test was overturned in 1969. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #85
Simple and homegirl Jun 2016 #31
JFK was killed with an antique bolt action rifle Separation Jun 2016 #117
But how do you intend to enforce this? anigbrowl Jun 2016 #120
We implement a publicly accessible national gun registry, of course Orrex Jun 2016 #121
Not of course anigbrowl Jun 2016 #122
Probably not Orrex Jun 2016 #123
I'll say that any gun that points at a person is an assault weapon. lastlib Jun 2016 #29
Because the last one worked so well! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #12
A ban isn't enough - that would leave millions Francis Booth Jun 2016 #21
You going to volunteer for that duty? pipoman Jun 2016 #23
You do realize that such an effort would kill vastly more people, right? Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #32
No, I don't know that. What I do know is that gun Francis Booth Jun 2016 #80
30k... pipoman Jun 2016 #100
It will take time - generations perhaps - but Francis Booth Jun 2016 #112
It is the constitution and subsequent SCOTUS rulings that rule out just about every bill pipoman Jun 2016 #113
It's my understanding that even Heller left intact the right for the feds Francis Booth Jun 2016 #115
Not exactly, iirc Heller borrowed the standard set pipoman Jun 2016 #116
Which would be a 'taking' under the fifth amendment. Got the budget to pay $750 per? X_Digger Jun 2016 #77
Not going to happen unless Congress and the Senate is changed bigdarryl Jun 2016 #27
Don't forget the Constitution and SCOTUS...they would have to go too... pipoman Jun 2016 #39
I'd support reclassifying semi-automatics with detachable magazines under the NFA Recursion Jun 2016 #28
"In common use for lawful purposes" is the federal standard for NFA registration... pipoman Jun 2016 #105
Right now some of us from Orlando are still waking up to this news pengu Jun 2016 #5
Thoughts and prayers don't do anything anyway MillennialDem Jun 2016 #11
That's lovely, but... Orrex Jun 2016 #16
Ever think it's insensitive to offer thoughts and prayers to atheists/agnostics during tragedies? MillennialDem Jun 2016 #18
No. That has never once occurred to me. Orrex Jun 2016 #24
Offering your prayers is advertising your beliefs. Thoughts maybe. Our hearts go out to etc.... woul MillennialDem Jun 2016 #26
That's my personal preference as well (nt) Orrex Jun 2016 #33
People who wish you well are giving you a gift no matter how they do it... pipoman Jun 2016 #52
No, that's bullshit. Orrex Jun 2016 #76
Wow....kep on hating..lol pipoman Jun 2016 #79
I'm saying that the victim or grieving person should be treated with respect Orrex Jun 2016 #88
I wanted a red bike, not that uggy blue one... pipoman Jun 2016 #92
"I ask that you respect my beliefs and not advertise yours." Orrex Jun 2016 #95
Let's envision this... pipoman Jun 2016 #96
Someone took time out of their day to think of you. xmas74 Jun 2016 #110
As an atheist, no, absolutely not pengu Jun 2016 #73
Most normal people would agree with you on this... pipoman Jun 2016 #94
How is it insensitive to offer thoughts to atheists and agnostics? xmas74 Jun 2016 #109
"Nothing fails like prayer." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #38
this yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #106
How long before someone floats that familiar, hollow mantra... CincyDem Jun 2016 #6
Those are the gundamentalists here on DU too. Feeling the Bern Jun 2016 #8
It's both the NRA and the Republican platform. MoonRiver Jun 2016 #36
Great point - I'm so pissed about this that I skipped the obvious connection. Thanks. n/t CincyDem Jun 2016 #53
No problem. It's something we must all keep in mind during this upcoming presidential election. MoonRiver Jun 2016 #57
It's been said in this thread already by some folks . . . ET Awful Jun 2016 #72
Oh Cincy...it is already happening... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #82
"starts with T, that rhymes with P, that stands for POOL!" Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #86
I wish we could! tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #87
So many here aren't very D-democratic, when you get down to it. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #89
There are a couple of others... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #90
I have a Pulse. Je suis Charlie. Boston Strong. Remain Calm and Carry On. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #14
Arms, war, and heroin. America's big industries. nt valerief Jun 2016 #15
No prayers, action SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #40
I can offer shock. Barack_America Jun 2016 #45
All those who preach hatred and fear and violence own this. eom. neeksgeek Jun 2016 #58
precisely. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2016 #104
It is literally the least anyone can do. Meaningless platitudes. alarimer Jun 2016 #60
Time for a full ban on all but single shot. snort Jun 2016 #66
Sounds good to me. SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #71
Why stop there...we can force a complete ban. ileus Jun 2016 #99
Even then, that wouldnt work Separation Jun 2016 #118
Not what I had in mind. snort Jun 2016 #119
Yes. But more to the point: How did he get the idea in his head.... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #70
I do. It's my politicians that need to do more. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #93
Thoughts and Prayers...for everyone involved. ileus Jun 2016 #98
I hate to say it... WiffenPoof Jun 2016 #102
I think you're right. That was the moment to act. But our own Harry Reid wouldn't let any new gun Francis Booth Jun 2016 #114
Frankly, to my mind, the belief that there's a giant invisible man in the sky is part of the problem Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #103
Thoughts and prayers can be offered xmas74 Jun 2016 #108
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