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Calista241

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35. The ATF requires dealers to keep paper records of all transactions for years.

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:44 PM

Jun 2016

all the regulations are a complete clusterfuck.

The ATF requires those records because the feds are legally prevented from retaining background check documents. So they just required dealers to keep their documents, and if a gun shows up in a crime, agents go to the gun dealer to find out who originally bought it.

If the gun has been resold, then the agents are SOL, but if it hasn't then they have their suspect.

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In the USA, it is easier to purchase an AR-15 than it is to vote. [View all] L. Coyote Jun 2016 OP

Funny how they're both Constitutional rights. MH1 Jun 2016 #1

I'm sorry to say that the above info is incorrect. Quackers Jun 2016 #11

OK, that doesn't make it any better... it should be as easy to vote as it is to get a gun uponit7771 Jun 2016 #20

Wrong. You need ID to LEGALLY buy a gun Press Virginia Jun 2016 #2

If you buy from a dealer. But if you buy from the yahoo down the street or an occassional seller at Hoyt Jun 2016 #8

*Gasp* People are allowed to sell their private possessions. beevul Jun 2016 #10

We are talking gunz here, not a washer/dryer. You gunners are a callous bunch. Hoyt Jun 2016 #12

+1, and then use almost every logical fallacy than can think of uponit7771 Jun 2016 #19

So is a nuclear warhead a "private" purchase SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #25

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #27

Did someone say we weren't? beevul Jun 2016 #40

You mean allowed to sell their killing machines. CincyDem Jun 2016 #13

"pro-sanity threads" beevul Jun 2016 #41

red herring uponit7771 Jun 2016 #18

Every state in the US requires ID to vote? hughee99 Jun 2016 #3

I think they're talking about proof of identification Calista241 Jun 2016 #33

Not true Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #4

Is there a law on HOW to verify age and recidency via private purchase? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #17

Yes Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #24

Is that for every state? looks like it just for Ohio... tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #26

I didn't make the chart. Somebody who apparently did no research made the chart Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #29

Yes, you can ask for ID but the ID doesn't have to be state issues according to the law... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #31

I'm in Ohio and have always had to show ID for a gun purchase. Quackers Jun 2016 #5

Does the private purchase REQUIRE a keeping of the records? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #16

The ATF requires dealers to keep paper records of all transactions for years. Calista241 Jun 2016 #35

ok, so the private records are just for dealers... so someone could sell a gun privately and uponit7771 Jun 2016 #36

That graphic is not correct. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #6

Unless I buy from a private party, I have to show ID. ileus Jun 2016 #7

That's why we need to get rid of private sales, as well as the "occasional seller" loophole at gun Hoyt Jun 2016 #9

None of these mass shootings are "private sales!" Indydem Jun 2016 #34

Criminals purchase them that way. Fact is, most guns used to kill people Hoyt Jun 2016 #38

So restricting people's freedoms it is. Indydem Jun 2016 #39

+1, people can buy guns without ID but can't vote without ID uponit7771 Jun 2016 #15

Amen and Amen!!! uponit7771 Jun 2016 #14

And we let violent criminals out of prison to make room for pot smokers. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #21

GOP~NRA Gun Policy Cryptoad Jun 2016 #22

And cool aid is available in all 50 states. Leontius Jun 2016 #23

Easier to buy a gun than .... CountAllVotes Jun 2016 #28

The same party which has claimed voter fraud and passed voter ID laws is the Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #30

The next time I hear concern over "voter fraud" I will remember this... Moostache Jun 2016 #32

The AR's that I have I had to show an ID, fill out a form and then pass a background check. Waldorf Jun 2016 #37

This graphic is a lie oberliner Jun 2016 #42