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In reply to the discussion: If the Left does not wake up about Islam, Trump will win [View all]JHB
(38,169 posts)53. It's worth remembering we've been through this before:
The Klan claimed to act in the name of "real Americans" against those who "weren't": Catholics, Jews, immigrants of all sorts. That was the 1920s. Let's go back farther:
Catholics and Mormons as reptiles:

* Title: Religious liberty is guaranteed : but can we allow foreign reptiles to crawl all over us?
* Creator(s): Nast, Thomas, 1840-1902, artist
* Date Created/Published: [between 1860 and 1902]
* Medium: 1 drawing : pen and ink.
* Reproduction Number: LC-USZ62-50658 (b&w film copy neg.)
* Rights Advisory: Publication may be restricted. For information see "Cabinet of American Illustration,"
http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/res/111_cai.htmlAZ)
* Access Advisory: Restricted access: Materials in this collection are often extremely fragile; most originals cannot be served.
* Call Number: CAI - Nast, no. 54 (C size) [P&P]
* Repository: Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division Washington, D.C. 20540 USA http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/pp.print
* Notes:
o No publication information.
o (DLC/PP-1980:0080.7).
o Forms part of: Cabinet of American illustration (Library of Congress).
o Exhibit loan 4207-L.
* Subjects:
o Catholics.
o Mormans.
o Domes.
o Freedom of religion.
o Religious groups.
o Reptiles.
* Format:
o Cartoons (Commentary)
o Drawings.
* Collections:
o Cabinet of American Illustration
* Part of: Cabinet of American illustration (Library of Congress)
* Bookmark This Record:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2010717281/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2010717281/
* Creator(s): Nast, Thomas, 1840-1902, artist
* Date Created/Published: [between 1860 and 1902]
* Medium: 1 drawing : pen and ink.
* Reproduction Number: LC-USZ62-50658 (b&w film copy neg.)
* Rights Advisory: Publication may be restricted. For information see "Cabinet of American Illustration,"
* Access Advisory: Restricted access: Materials in this collection are often extremely fragile; most originals cannot be served.
* Call Number: CAI - Nast, no. 54 (C size) [P&P]
* Repository: Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division Washington, D.C. 20540 USA http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/pp.print
* Notes:
o No publication information.
o (DLC/PP-1980:0080.7).
o Forms part of: Cabinet of American illustration (Library of Congress).
o Exhibit loan 4207-L.
* Subjects:
o Catholics.
o Mormans.
o Domes.
o Freedom of religion.
o Religious groups.
o Reptiles.
* Format:
o Cartoons (Commentary)
o Drawings.
* Collections:
o Cabinet of American Illustration
* Part of: Cabinet of American illustration (Library of Congress)
* Bookmark This Record:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2010717281/
Catholic bishop's mitres forming the mouths of crocodiles:

The American River Ganges
May 8, 1875
Thomas Nast
The American River Ganges
Children; Education, Public Schools; New York City, Education; Religion, Roman Catholic Church; Symbols, Columbia; Women, Symbolic;
This cartoon is one of Thomas Nast's most famous. It depicts Roman Catholic clergy as crocodiles invading America's shore to devour the nation's schoolchildren--white, black, American Indian, and Chinese. (The white children are prominent in front, the rest are in the background.) The public school building stands as a fortress against the threat of theocracy, but it has been bombarded and flies Old Glory upside down to signal distress.
Education in nineteenth-century America was provided by a variety of private, charitable, public, and combined public-private institutions, with the public school movement gaining strength over the decades. A major political issue during the 1870s was whether state and municipal governments should allocate funds for religiously affiliated schools, many of which were Roman Catholic. In most public schools, the Protestant version of the Bible was read, Protestant prayers were uttered, and Protestant teachers taught Protestant moral lessons. (Notice the boy in the cartoon who protects the younger students from the Catholic onslaught carries a Bible in his coat.) Catholic (and some Protestant) leaders asked that parochial schools receive their fair share of public funds. Protestant defenders of public schools erroneously considered that request to be an attempt by Catholics to destroy the spreading public school system.
***
The publishers and staff of Harpers Weekly, including cartoonist Thomas Nast, were mainly Protestant or secular liberals. Like most such Americans, they believed that the Roman Catholic Church was an antiquated, authoritarian institution that stood against the Modernism of a progressive society and democratic political institutions. Irish-Catholics in particular were suspected of being loyal primarily to the Vatican, rather than to the United States, and of not being capable of assimilation by nature or stubborn will. Furthermore, Irish-Catholics were overwhelmingly aligned with the Democratic Party, and more politically involved than other ethnic groups. The Republican newspaper was vehemently opposed to what it believed was the growing political and social influence of the Roman Catholic Church in the United States.
(more at link)
May 8, 1875
Thomas Nast
The American River Ganges
Children; Education, Public Schools; New York City, Education; Religion, Roman Catholic Church; Symbols, Columbia; Women, Symbolic;
This cartoon is one of Thomas Nast's most famous. It depicts Roman Catholic clergy as crocodiles invading America's shore to devour the nation's schoolchildren--white, black, American Indian, and Chinese. (The white children are prominent in front, the rest are in the background.) The public school building stands as a fortress against the threat of theocracy, but it has been bombarded and flies Old Glory upside down to signal distress.
Education in nineteenth-century America was provided by a variety of private, charitable, public, and combined public-private institutions, with the public school movement gaining strength over the decades. A major political issue during the 1870s was whether state and municipal governments should allocate funds for religiously affiliated schools, many of which were Roman Catholic. In most public schools, the Protestant version of the Bible was read, Protestant prayers were uttered, and Protestant teachers taught Protestant moral lessons. (Notice the boy in the cartoon who protects the younger students from the Catholic onslaught carries a Bible in his coat.) Catholic (and some Protestant) leaders asked that parochial schools receive their fair share of public funds. Protestant defenders of public schools erroneously considered that request to be an attempt by Catholics to destroy the spreading public school system.
***
The publishers and staff of Harpers Weekly, including cartoonist Thomas Nast, were mainly Protestant or secular liberals. Like most such Americans, they believed that the Roman Catholic Church was an antiquated, authoritarian institution that stood against the Modernism of a progressive society and democratic political institutions. Irish-Catholics in particular were suspected of being loyal primarily to the Vatican, rather than to the United States, and of not being capable of assimilation by nature or stubborn will. Furthermore, Irish-Catholics were overwhelmingly aligned with the Democratic Party, and more politically involved than other ethnic groups. The Republican newspaper was vehemently opposed to what it believed was the growing political and social influence of the Roman Catholic Church in the United States.
http://www.harpweek.com/09cartoon/BrowseByDateCartoon.asp?Month=May&Date=8
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I hope you're correct, when fear howls at the door logic flies out the window
HereSince1628
Jun 2016
#5
My point = Democrats shouldn't leave the issue of radical islam to populists (Trump)
Albertoo
Jun 2016
#71
President Obama, a prominent Democrat, has the US military bombing radical Islamists in Iraq
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#110
No, the question is for you. You complained that "when one mentions" your assertion
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#153
Here's something about The Clarion Project and the author of the piece you linked to
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#165
I don't know where "commissioned by the US government" has come from
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#169
You're still trying to get us to pay attention to a bunch of lunatics
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#185
I hope, but I'm convinced Kerry lost when bin Laden released that video 4 days before election day.
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#32
I think people need to stop abandoning logic in favor of their preferred narratives.
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2016
#4
When "the Left" "wakes up about Islam", what do you think "the Left" should do about it?
MH1
Jun 2016
#6
Thank you Haele for taking on the issue of mob mentality versus our system of laws
Hekate
Jun 2016
#160
Indeed. If the Left "wakes up about Islam" what will we do that Obama is not doing?
pampango
Jun 2016
#121
Bringing this here and posting that hate speech without warning is not cool.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2016
#12
"The Orlando mass murderer saw two guys kissing and used that as an excuse to murder them for Isis"
oberliner
Jun 2016
#67
I am just cautioning that it is still very early in the investigation. This incident just happened.
oberliner
Jun 2016
#88
See, I think he didn't murder them FOR isis. It is the other way around.
AgadorSparticus
Jun 2016
#174
+1, some people should just say they don't like Islam instead of pussy footing around
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#117
Trump looked like a complete fool today, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
TwilightZone
Jun 2016
#18
Precisely... this OP is idiotic. tRump is finished after this latest fiasco.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2016
#55
Muslims run the gamut just like any other group of human, and if we treat them like a scary "them"
ck4829
Jun 2016
#42
A few more decades of war and destabilization in the ME should fix things. Nt
killbotfactory
Jun 2016
#51
throw our Muslim brothers and sisters under the bus to win an election? fuck that n/t
JustinL
Jun 2016
#74
+1, the 2nd sentence is spot on what ISIS tells its recruits and tRump establishes ISIS propaganda..
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#123
Islam is a religion. You need to wake up to the difference between a religion and terrorism.
L. Coyote
Jun 2016
#76
Apparently his "mention" was to declare allegiance to ISIS. He's a fundy. -nt-
Lord Magus
Jun 2016
#101
The FBI questioned him over remarks apparently supporting terrorism
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#112
You realize "the Left" as you write, if there was such a thing, includes adherents of Islam.
L. Coyote
Jun 2016
#90
I was responding to the OP who speculated that Trump's anti-Muslim agenda would prevail
still_one
Jun 2016
#131
Killers father born in Afghanistan, spouts anti gay rhetroic and is very actively political and
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2016
#138
I never said his bigotry was unrelated to his religious belief. In other threads I was more
still_one
Jun 2016
#140
Living in the midst of Trump stupid it does exist and it reminds me of early Reagan supporters.
gordianot
Jun 2016
#129
We should not judge an entire religion because of one crazy person, same opinion as yours.
runaway hero
Jun 2016
#139
There is nothing to wake up about except to preach more tolerance and love.
AgadorSparticus
Jun 2016
#176
So. What did you all think of President Obamas's speech about this today? Link...
YvonneCa
Jun 2016
#183