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Spider Jerusalem

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75. Here's the thing: there are nearly three million Muslims in the USA.

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:41 PM

Jun 2016

The vast majority of them are decent, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. If you're seriously concerned about things like radicalisation of the Muslim population...I don't really think that telling all of those people "sorry, but we'll never regard you as truly American, and your allegiance will always be suspect" is the best way forward.

It's also kind of gross and disgusting to see people falling all over themselves to shout "Islamic terrorism" in the wake of a hate crime targeting a specific minority population. When Dylann Roof shot and killed nine African-Americans in Charleston, people rightly blamed racism and not Christianity. The guy in California with a carful of guns and explosives who was on his way to do something similar at a Pride parade? He was a white Christian. Has anyone blamed Christianity and not homophobia there? Not that I've seen. We should probably be talking about the dangers of bigotry (there's a lot of it around, look at all the anti-transgender "bathroom bills&quot and the problem of easy access to guns (the shooter in Orlando was a native-born US citizen who bought his guns legally).

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If the Left does not wake up about Islam, Trump will win [View all] runaway hero Jun 2016 OP

T Rump never looks good, except Darb Jun 2016 #1

and don't they are secretly cheering this because the victims were gay nt maryellen99 Jun 2016 #2

Don't think so myself Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #3

I hope you're correct, when fear howls at the door logic flies out the window HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #5

Never underestimate the fears of a suburban soccer mom elljay Jun 2016 #19

I see your point however Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #27

You are more optimistic than me! elljay Jun 2016 #29

I agree but got to keep the faith ;) n/t Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #30

We cannot underestimate he paranoia? Paranoia?? Albertoo Jun 2016 #65

Sorry, not getting your point elljay Jun 2016 #70

My point = Democrats shouldn't leave the issue of radical islam to populists (Trump) Albertoo Jun 2016 #71

President Obama, a prominent Democrat, has the US military bombing radical Islamists in Iraq muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #110

Your question is for the FBI Albertoo Jun 2016 #149

No, the question is for you. You complained that "when one mentions" your assertion muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #153

Then here are some more precise answers Albertoo Jun 2016 #157

Here's something about The Clarion Project and the author of the piece you linked to muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #165

All 3 sources are debatable, and at least, acceptable Albertoo Jun 2016 #166

I don't know where "commissioned by the US government" has come from muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #169

On this issue, the Southern Poverty Law Center is off course Albertoo Jun 2016 #182

You're still trying to get us to pay attention to a bunch of lunatics muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #185

I can't speak to US mosques elljay Jun 2016 #145

The bottom line is that the Quran is a dangerous book Albertoo Jun 2016 #150

The Bible can be just as dangerous atreides1 Jun 2016 #152

I don't care for the Bible, but it's less dangerous than the Quran Albertoo Jun 2016 #154

Here is the difference elljay Jun 2016 #164

You mean like The Holy Bible? Hekate Jun 2016 #159

Answered in #154. But the Bible is assuredly a daft book too. Albertoo Jun 2016 #161

That would be a good start. 840high Jun 2016 #104

true heaven05 Jun 2016 #130

I hope, but I'm convinced Kerry lost when bin Laden released that video 4 days before election day. Hoyt Jun 2016 #32

That's a valid point Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #48

That was 12 years ago. We've been around the block truebluegreen Jun 2016 #49

I think people need to stop abandoning logic in favor of their preferred narratives. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #4

Glad I missed that. Oh boy! grossproffit Jun 2016 #8

And that is a fact. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #10

Bingo. runaway hero Jun 2016 #15

Really. bdwker Jun 2016 #114

Stop spoiling all the fun, Warren. We're pinning the tail on the donkey. sibelian Jun 2016 #163

Remember #notallmen? Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #168

Well HOW could I forget it, dear sir. sibelian Jun 2016 #170

When "the Left" "wakes up about Islam", what do you think "the Left" should do about it? MH1 Jun 2016 #6

OMG WHAT SHOULD "OUR PARTY" DO, MH1? Skittles Jun 2016 #41

??? Not sure what you found funny about that, or MH1 Jun 2016 #167

troll speak Skittles Jun 2016 #171

Why would I say "us" in the OP? runaway hero Jun 2016 #172

Oh, got it MH1 Jun 2016 #181

Don't make excuses. runaway hero Jun 2016 #56

Such as...? Wednesdays Jun 2016 #81

take the concerns of middle america seriously. runaway hero Jun 2016 #84

That would be good for a change. 840high Jun 2016 #105

Does that mean "do whatever a referendum says"? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #111

no, but runaway hero Jun 2016 #148

Here's some reality. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #177

I do take mob mentality seriously. haele Jun 2016 #158

Thank you Haele for taking on the issue of mob mentality versus our system of laws Hekate Jun 2016 #160

Indeed. If the Left "wakes up about Islam" what will we do that Obama is not doing? pampango Jun 2016 #121

I've seen more posts bashing Christianity today than discussing Islamism. grossproffit Jun 2016 #7

Bringing this here and posting that hate speech without warning is not cool. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #12

Did you say the same thing to this one? grossproffit Jun 2016 #14

Right, and people will turn to Donald because of stuff like that. runaway hero Jun 2016 #16

Who said that? I was stating what I've seen here. grossproffit Jun 2016 #21

I was just saying runaway hero Jun 2016 #57

Thanks. I guess I'm overly sensitive tonight. Sorry. grossproffit Jun 2016 #86

What sick posts! smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #24

If the left starts acting like Trump, missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #9

... Scurrilous Jun 2016 #17

Yup. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #54

So true. And we don't beat republicans by acting like republicans. n/t pampango Jun 2016 #115

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #116

Intelligently and with great concern. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #11

What'a Islam got to do with it? Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #13

Why would Iraqi army officers be disgruntled? Fumesucker Jun 2016 #47

Because the lost power. Again, this is not about Islam. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #95

"The Orlando mass murderer saw two guys kissing and used that as an excuse to murder them for Isis" oberliner Jun 2016 #67

let's not go that far. runaway hero Jun 2016 #85

I am just cautioning that it is still very early in the investigation. This incident just happened. oberliner Jun 2016 #88

True. runaway hero Jun 2016 #91

See, I think he didn't murder them FOR isis. It is the other way around. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #174

That sounds plausible oberliner Jun 2016 #180

Agreed. Total speculation. Will be interesting to hear more... AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #184

A lot of confusing and seemingly contradictory information emerging oberliner Jun 2016 #186

Go see the killer's 911 call. 840high Jun 2016 #106

1.6 billion people did not make that 911 call. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #143

+1, some people should just say they don't like Islam instead of pussy footing around uponit7771 Jun 2016 #117

Please discuss thestrugglecontinues Jun 2016 #128

Trump looked like a complete fool today, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #18

When has Trump not looked like a complete fool? elljay Jun 2016 #23

It's not hurting him with the wingnuts and fringey groups Sugarcoated Jun 2016 #28

Agreed. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #34

One can hope elljay Jun 2016 #36

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #118

Precisely... this OP is idiotic. tRump is finished after this latest fiasco. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #55

And that won't matter 5 months from now, at all. runaway hero Jun 2016 #58

Wake up about Islam!!1! Scurrilous Jun 2016 #20

It's not Islam, it's Islamism. There's a difference. grossproffit Jun 2016 #22

+1000 Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #38

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #119

Yes we must embrace bigotry against rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #25

Principles? Fumesucker Jun 2016 #50

Says you rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #113

lol, please Skittles Jun 2016 #26

"Trump knows how to channel feelings and rage, Hillary does not." Miles Archer Jun 2016 #31

people who pander to fear - seriously, fuck them all Skittles Jun 2016 #39

No one would ever be afraid of a superpredator, would they? Fumesucker Jun 2016 #52

the killings weren't about Islam bigtree Jun 2016 #33

How do you know this? oberliner Jun 2016 #68

His 911 call said they were. 840high Jun 2016 #107

This is false uponit7771 Jun 2016 #120

I'm curious, what did your cousin have to say about our LGBT brethren? herding cats Jun 2016 #35

No one should ever be killed because he or she is gay, his quote. runaway hero Jun 2016 #60

Pretty words. herding cats Jun 2016 #92

No different then people on this forum runaway hero Jun 2016 #93

What? herding cats Jun 2016 #94

Same problem thestrugglecontinues Jun 2016 #126

Ok, I think you meant than, not "then" herding cats Jun 2016 #96

i mean that is the same response runaway hero Jun 2016 #127

"Please proceed." Chan790 Jun 2016 #37

"Mexican Judge" + "I was right" = "Hello, President Clinton." Miles Archer Jun 2016 #45

Do you think people outside the twitter set care? runaway hero Jun 2016 #62

Doesn't matter. Chan790 Jun 2016 #66

will what matter runaway hero Jun 2016 #69

That we can easily beat loudmouth billionaires? Wednesdays Jun 2016 #83

You haven't beaten him yet runaway hero Jun 2016 #87

What are we supposed to do? bravenak Jun 2016 #40

Muslims run the gamut just like any other group of human, and if we treat them like a scary "them" ck4829 Jun 2016 #42

Then we f&^king lose. cheapdate Jun 2016 #43

Fart noises Solly Mack Jun 2016 #44

what would you suggest? Demonaut Jun 2016 #46

A few more decades of war and destabilization in the ME should fix things. Nt killbotfactory Jun 2016 #51

It's worth remembering we've been through this before: JHB Jun 2016 #53

Thank you! snot Jun 2016 #151

Define "waking up"? Ken Burch Jun 2016 #59

If you asked the vast majority of people on DU Aerows Jun 2016 #61

The left is very much awake about right wing religious zealots Warpy Jun 2016 #63

Thank you for your concern jpak Jun 2016 #64

trump, Fox News, and dinos blame liberals for orlando tragedy. film at 11 Doctor_J Jun 2016 #72

Your cousin is a bigot. To hell with what he thinks. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #73

I'll be sure to let him know Lord Magus thinks so highly of him. runaway hero Jun 2016 #80

throw our Muslim brothers and sisters under the bus to win an election? fuck that n/t JustinL Jun 2016 #74

+1, no one is into losing our souls uponit7771 Jun 2016 #124

Here's the thing: there are nearly three million Muslims in the USA. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #75

+1, the 2nd sentence is spot on what ISIS tells its recruits and tRump establishes ISIS propaganda.. uponit7771 Jun 2016 #123

Islam is a religion. You need to wake up to the difference between a religion and terrorism. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #76

It is not about Islam. It is about Fundamentalism BlueStreak Jun 2016 #77

What are you basing that on? oberliner Jun 2016 #89

Oh, I don't know. Do you think ISIS might be a little fundy? BlueStreak Jun 2016 #97

ISIS is fundy oberliner Jun 2016 #98

Apparently his "mention" was to declare allegiance to ISIS. He's a fundy. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #101

More evidence needed oberliner Jun 2016 #102

'They could admire ISIS for reasons unrelated to religion' melman Jun 2016 #109

There are ISIS fighters who aren't particularly pious or religious oberliner Jun 2016 #132

Or maybe a really strange sense of humor BlueStreak Jun 2016 #178

The FBI questioned him over remarks apparently supporting terrorism muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #112

Yes, it is likely oberliner Jun 2016 #134

If the morons in this country elect Trump, then they get what they deserve. 6000eliot Jun 2016 #78

Have no fear! Hillary will bring the war you crave. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #79

lulz! Rex Jun 2016 #82

You realize "the Left" as you write, if there was such a thing, includes adherents of Islam. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #90

+1 HuckleB Jun 2016 #100

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #122

Trump is homophobic, no? So is the terrorist/murderer. HuckleB Jun 2016 #99

The killer was American born, who was a homophobic bigot still_one Jun 2016 #103

Are you ignoring his call to 911? 840high Jun 2016 #108

I was responding to the OP who speculated that Trump's anti-Muslim agenda would prevail still_one Jun 2016 #131

Killers father born in Afghanistan, spouts anti gay rhetroic and is very actively political and Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #138

I never said his bigotry was unrelated to his religious belief. In other threads I was more still_one Jun 2016 #140

What could Obama done to prevent this? B Calm Jun 2016 #125

Living in the midst of Trump stupid it does exist and it reminds me of early Reagan supporters. gordianot Jun 2016 #129

agreed. runaway hero Jun 2016 #136

You sound like you would be happier on a RW site. DCBob Jun 2016 #133

not my opinion sir. runaway hero Jun 2016 #135

What is your opinion? DCBob Jun 2016 #137

We should not judge an entire religion because of one crazy person, same opinion as yours. runaway hero Jun 2016 #139

Glad to hear that. DCBob Jun 2016 #142

Any chance of a reply to #111? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #147

If the so called Left does not stop screaming behind RW memes malaise Jun 2016 #141

This is not about "Islam", this is about fundamentalist militant Islamism. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #144

People want simplistic easy answer and there are none. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #146

If the Left does not wake up about (insert group here), Trump will win G_j Jun 2016 #155

Hillary should learn "how to channel feelings and rage" like Trump does? Hekate Jun 2016 #156

Trump provides what appears to be a prosaic solution. sibelian Jun 2016 #162

Exactly. runaway hero Jun 2016 #173

. Egnever Jun 2016 #175

There is nothing to wake up about except to preach more tolerance and love. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #176

Just look at the rise of RW nationalism in Europe Quantess Jun 2016 #179

So. What did you all think of President Obamas's speech about this today? Link... YvonneCa Jun 2016 #183