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Eleanors38

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51. I'll admit this:. Guns ARE here to stay. Doesn't matter if there are more or less. As to...

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:17 PM

Jun 2016

risks and payments, before I was old enough to fire a gun, I recognized this was a violent country and culture, and there were,/are many risks from many sources. I also recognized that a coherent mythology, a belief in the nation's institutions, and general agreememt on how to improve things was what kept things civilized and, frankly, truly safe. When that goes missing, no law, police force or ordnance regulation will make ANYONE "feel" more safe and risk-free.

And I REPORT this: Our crime rate -- even our "GunCrime®" rate -- is far less than when I was young.

SoCal: What's with the "gun lovers" stuff? Will you "come right out and admit it" that you favor most any measure, regulation, ban as long as it gets in the face of these "lovers" you don't like?

On "Fake Compassion:" When one of these murder junkie spectaculars happens, and right off you hear hateful remarks directed to gun-owners and pro-2A DU members, is this the fake compassion you reference? Thanks.

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Accept Guns As The Price Of Freedom & Living In America [View all] SoCalMusicLover Jun 2016 OP

That is if you are lucky enough to survive the gun shots liberal N proud Jun 2016 #1

No I will not accept it katmondoo Jun 2016 #2

How abut this? Protalker Jun 2016 #3

How about 20? linuxman Jun 2016 #9

3. No more than 3 RobertEarl Jun 2016 #18

Glad to see you're sitting out of the productive discussion. linuxman Jun 2016 #24

No. You are RobertEarl Jun 2016 #27

You're beyond reason. linuxman Jun 2016 #28

10 or 20 or 50 round mags are unreasonable. RobertEarl Jun 2016 #33

If a "reasonable person" can clearly understand that magazines that hold more than 9 rounds TeddyR Jun 2016 #50

Obvious, isn't it? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #65

Ridiculous TeddyR Jun 2016 #66

Your post is ridiculous RobertEarl Jun 2016 #67

"Productive" really should incorporate "practical" and "achievable." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #32

Yeah, it's all worked so well, so far, right? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #34

You're missing the point entirely. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #35

It is the solution RobertEarl Jun 2016 #37

They aren't outlawed. No new ones of been produced since 86' for civilian use since the ATF closed Waldorf Jun 2016 #40

You are mincing words RobertEarl Jun 2016 #43

You're still missing the point! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #41

Really? You have no clue? Clueless are you? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #44

Okay, this is just a waste of time. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #47

You finally looked in the mirror? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #48

If you were really concerned with saving lives, you'd propose something that could actually be enact Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #52

I think you should answer. How exactly do you propose to implement this? anigbrowl Jun 2016 #53

But some gundamentalist ammosexuals like me RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #36

The problem with that is extant supply. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #25

gun users have killed what 200K people in the past 8 years? no corpse pile will EVER be too high msongs Jun 2016 #4

2/3 of that number are suicides. Just setting a high standard for intellectual honesty. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #46

So what? Guns make suicide too easy as well anigbrowl Jun 2016 #55

Solving social problems by banning a thing, behavior or status does not work. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #69

I have never argued for a ban on guns, so don't expect me to be your straw man .nt anigbrowl Jun 2016 #70

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #56

The Second Amendment has failed to protect American citizens jpak Jun 2016 #5

Sorry, you may as well declare that the police have failed to protect American citizens. jonno99 Jun 2016 #8

MORE GUNS!!! SoCalMusicLover Jun 2016 #10

What do you want to "solve" - hate, violence, death? Getting rid of "gunz" solves none of it. nt jonno99 Jun 2016 #13

Making it ridiculously easy to commit mass-murder has no effect whatsoever on a person's decision Dem2 Jun 2016 #20

Ban fireworks- and the Tsarnaev brothers would have nothing to fill their pressure cookers with jpak Jun 2016 #12

Using your logic, simply enacting a midnight curfew for everyone would solve MOST of our problems.nt jonno99 Jun 2016 #14

By your logic more guns are the answer to our problems and we should ignore gun massacres jpak Jun 2016 #19

It's not rocket science. Looking at just one statistic, rape; the Aussies have seen jonno99 Jun 2016 #31

Do tell us about gun violence - do not deflect jpak Jun 2016 #39

It's simple really. I'll bet more than one rape victim would have preffered being able to jonno99 Jun 2016 #59

Your post was a Ted Cruz talking point that has been debunked jpak Jun 2016 #60

"A Ted Cruz talking point" - Ok, if you say so; I'm not familiar with his jonno99 Jun 2016 #61

Ted Cruz and you use the same talking point and it has been debunked jpak Jun 2016 #64

Sorry - two seperate points. nt jonno99 Jun 2016 #68

but would she have preferred being shot? PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #62

No, the REAL question is: would she have preffered to have a CHOICE? As jonno99 Jun 2016 #63

Your claim about an increase in AU rape is a Ted Cruz talking point debunked by the WaPo jpak Jun 2016 #49

Guns have moved from being bought to being melm00se Jun 2016 #45

Disgusting POS post packman Jun 2016 #6

What's Inappropriate Is The Fake Compassion SoCalMusicLover Jun 2016 #7

I'll admit this:. Guns ARE here to stay. Doesn't matter if there are more or less. As to... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #51

accept mortars and grenades too... no... there's a practical middle ground to this uponit7771 Jun 2016 #11

How about surface-to-air missiles? I live right under an alternate flight path. KamaAina Jun 2016 #16

bring back muskets baja-inventor Jun 2016 #23

It isn't a contest, except in the insane minds of psycho killers. I tend to agree with post #6, this One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #15

Gun scum and their cold, dead hearts SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #17

Your fourth paragraph... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #21

Huh? SoCalMusicLover Jun 2016 #29

Nor did I claim you did. It was (obviously) an anology. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #30

So you don't consider Australia a free country? KamaAina Jun 2016 #22

They did something about it because the law allowed it Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #58

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.... The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #26

My long term solution. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #38

It would seem that living in a police state would be your safest option tritsofme Jun 2016 #42

Hell No alarimer Jun 2016 #54

Accept reality as they have in Bahgdad sanatanadharma Jun 2016 #57