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jonno99

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61. "A Ted Cruz talking point" - Ok, if you say so; I'm not familiar with his

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:10 PM

Jun 2016

talking points (I guess I could look them up, but what would be the point?)

But if you (and Wapo) are suggesting that sexual assault is not increasing in Australia, you would be perpetuating a non-truth (a lie)...
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/sexual%20assault.html
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/07/17/sexual-assault-how-common-it-australia
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/12/australia-struggles-high-rate-sexual-assault-against-women-study

Perhaps Cruz was erroneously trying to tie the increase in rapes to the gun ban, and to be fair there are many women who wouldn't own a weapon even if they could - it really doesn't matter. The fact that (potential) rape victims are oftentimes (now) left without means of self defense is morally unconscionable.

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Accept Guns As The Price Of Freedom & Living In America [View all] SoCalMusicLover Jun 2016 OP

That is if you are lucky enough to survive the gun shots liberal N proud Jun 2016 #1

No I will not accept it katmondoo Jun 2016 #2

How abut this? Protalker Jun 2016 #3

How about 20? linuxman Jun 2016 #9

3. No more than 3 RobertEarl Jun 2016 #18

Glad to see you're sitting out of the productive discussion. linuxman Jun 2016 #24

No. You are RobertEarl Jun 2016 #27

You're beyond reason. linuxman Jun 2016 #28

10 or 20 or 50 round mags are unreasonable. RobertEarl Jun 2016 #33

If a "reasonable person" can clearly understand that magazines that hold more than 9 rounds TeddyR Jun 2016 #50

Obvious, isn't it? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #65

Ridiculous TeddyR Jun 2016 #66

Your post is ridiculous RobertEarl Jun 2016 #67

"Productive" really should incorporate "practical" and "achievable." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #32

Yeah, it's all worked so well, so far, right? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #34

You're missing the point entirely. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #35

It is the solution RobertEarl Jun 2016 #37

They aren't outlawed. No new ones of been produced since 86' for civilian use since the ATF closed Waldorf Jun 2016 #40

You are mincing words RobertEarl Jun 2016 #43

You're still missing the point! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #41

Really? You have no clue? Clueless are you? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #44

Okay, this is just a waste of time. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #47

You finally looked in the mirror? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #48

If you were really concerned with saving lives, you'd propose something that could actually be enact Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #52

I think you should answer. How exactly do you propose to implement this? anigbrowl Jun 2016 #53

But some gundamentalist ammosexuals like me RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #36

The problem with that is extant supply. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #25

gun users have killed what 200K people in the past 8 years? no corpse pile will EVER be too high msongs Jun 2016 #4

2/3 of that number are suicides. Just setting a high standard for intellectual honesty. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #46

So what? Guns make suicide too easy as well anigbrowl Jun 2016 #55

Solving social problems by banning a thing, behavior or status does not work. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #69

I have never argued for a ban on guns, so don't expect me to be your straw man .nt anigbrowl Jun 2016 #70

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #56

The Second Amendment has failed to protect American citizens jpak Jun 2016 #5

Sorry, you may as well declare that the police have failed to protect American citizens. jonno99 Jun 2016 #8

MORE GUNS!!! SoCalMusicLover Jun 2016 #10

What do you want to "solve" - hate, violence, death? Getting rid of "gunz" solves none of it. nt jonno99 Jun 2016 #13

Making it ridiculously easy to commit mass-murder has no effect whatsoever on a person's decision Dem2 Jun 2016 #20

Ban fireworks- and the Tsarnaev brothers would have nothing to fill their pressure cookers with jpak Jun 2016 #12

Using your logic, simply enacting a midnight curfew for everyone would solve MOST of our problems.nt jonno99 Jun 2016 #14

By your logic more guns are the answer to our problems and we should ignore gun massacres jpak Jun 2016 #19

It's not rocket science. Looking at just one statistic, rape; the Aussies have seen jonno99 Jun 2016 #31

Do tell us about gun violence - do not deflect jpak Jun 2016 #39

It's simple really. I'll bet more than one rape victim would have preffered being able to jonno99 Jun 2016 #59

Your post was a Ted Cruz talking point that has been debunked jpak Jun 2016 #60

"A Ted Cruz talking point" - Ok, if you say so; I'm not familiar with his jonno99 Jun 2016 #61

Ted Cruz and you use the same talking point and it has been debunked jpak Jun 2016 #64

Sorry - two seperate points. nt jonno99 Jun 2016 #68

but would she have preferred being shot? PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #62

No, the REAL question is: would she have preffered to have a CHOICE? As jonno99 Jun 2016 #63

Your claim about an increase in AU rape is a Ted Cruz talking point debunked by the WaPo jpak Jun 2016 #49

Guns have moved from being bought to being melm00se Jun 2016 #45

Disgusting POS post packman Jun 2016 #6

What's Inappropriate Is The Fake Compassion SoCalMusicLover Jun 2016 #7

I'll admit this:. Guns ARE here to stay. Doesn't matter if there are more or less. As to... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #51

accept mortars and grenades too... no... there's a practical middle ground to this uponit7771 Jun 2016 #11

How about surface-to-air missiles? I live right under an alternate flight path. KamaAina Jun 2016 #16

bring back muskets baja-inventor Jun 2016 #23

It isn't a contest, except in the insane minds of psycho killers. I tend to agree with post #6, this One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #15

Gun scum and their cold, dead hearts SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #17

Your fourth paragraph... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #21

Huh? SoCalMusicLover Jun 2016 #29

Nor did I claim you did. It was (obviously) an anology. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #30

So you don't consider Australia a free country? KamaAina Jun 2016 #22

They did something about it because the law allowed it Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #58

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.... The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #26

My long term solution. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #38

It would seem that living in a police state would be your safest option tritsofme Jun 2016 #42

Hell No alarimer Jun 2016 #54

Accept reality as they have in Bahgdad sanatanadharma Jun 2016 #57