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whatthehey

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25. Well there's a couple of differences, and some similarities
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jun 2016

Muslim loons are certainly causing more terroristic mayhem globally than loons of other faiths right now. Only blissninnies scared of being called biased when the facts are themselves biased says otherwise. Why? Partly I think because Islam is more concentrated in the poorest most hopelessly ratfucked parts of the world so they have little hope and less opportunity. Partly because unlike the other big faiths the separation between state and church is an alien concept (and has been for Islam's whole history) so fundies wield greater power, and partly because looking at this from a big history POV, it's apparent the first fissures of what could be a Muslim Reformation are starting. If you look at Christian history between the 95 Theses and the Peace of Westphalia you'll see plenty that's familiar and unfortunately that it takes more than a century to settle down a bit. Even at the most optimistic reading we're about 30 odd years into that. Sorry to be a bummer.

The second difference is that while Christianity is a global religion too, there's really not a whole lot of factionalism that runs globally. The Christian gay killers in Uganda are not, in anything but name, connected tribally or culturally to very many Christians in Utah. Global Islam maintains that factionalism and the implicit need to support their distant brethren's causes far more powerfully. So we have more ISIS sympathizers in more places than Uganda style Christians.

But there are similarities. There are many Christian pastors calling for and applauding the murder of gays. They have been linked here repeatedly. They are not a fringe. A sizeable ratio of Americans want to impose Biblical law. It calls for the execution of gays. Muslims in the US are MORE accepting of gay marriage than US Protestants, and far far more accepting than evangelicals, LDS and JWs. You are referring to overseas polls. How many Ugandan Christians would agree? How many Muslims in western nations disagree? If 42% of US Muslims are ok with legal marriage, it's a bit unlikely half want to kill them? Different societies.

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Who went into a church and killed Dr. Tiller again? malaise Jun 2016 #1
i think pastors who promote hate are boycotted by the majority and they are riducled. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #2
We certainly do not hear demands that the christian community denounce violent Christians. DetlefK Jun 2016 #3
because they do. But let's keep deflecting like the tragedies mount. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #4
Can you bring up an example? DetlefK Jun 2016 #20
because the vast majority of Christians are not listening to priests who want to blow up planned MariaThinks Jun 2016 #22
Has the Pope ever praised a murder committed by a Christian? Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #8
Several Popes encouraged the slaughter of indigenous people acros the planet for centuries malaise Jun 2016 #15
Urban II died in 1099. I believe the poster you are responding to is referring.. Marengo Jun 2016 #16
The Crusades usually get mentioned in these discussions, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #18
Funny how that is. cwydro Jun 2016 #21
Well here's some more Tsiyu Jun 2016 #33
I agree about religion. cwydro Jun 2016 #35
We're talking about religion here Tsiyu Jun 2016 #36
Pious XII is quite controversial, but I'm not well read enough on him to filter out all the noise... Marengo Jun 2016 #30
Good point. demosincebirth Jun 2016 #41
spare me the examples of 500 years ago as if that is relevent today. yes, spare me. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #39
no. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #23
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #19
The Pope? demosincebirth Jun 2016 #40
When pro-life groups condemned the CO Planned Parenthood attack, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #6
Again with the "ALL" knee-jerk response. Enough, people! Quantess Jun 2016 #14
thank you. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #24
Er...Stalin? demosincebirth Jun 2016 #42
Australia was reviewing his visa; he fled to Dubai before a decision was made muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #5
is this the template for an 'islamic scholar'? what are the standards? Does he represent Islamic MariaThinks Jun 2016 #26
I have no idea what you're trying to say (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #34
When a Christian baker refused to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #7
Even worse, he's diagnosed as a self-hating gay, and had nothing to do with Islam. Coventina Jun 2016 #9
unless we accept these truths, the muslim extremists are not going to stop. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #11
He may have had librarylu Jun 2016 #31
I feel very sorry for gay Muslims. I left Christianity because I grew up to be a feminist. Coventina Jun 2016 #32
Good point. I never see threads like: "how do we eliminate anger and violence in our faith?" MariaThinks Jun 2016 #27
The thing with these mass religions whatthehey Jun 2016 #10
but most religions are evolving. I don't hear Hindu priests by the dozens or Christian priests by MariaThinks Jun 2016 #13
Well there's a couple of differences, and some similarities whatthehey Jun 2016 #25
i have extreme hatred and condemnation for those christian gay killers MariaThinks Jun 2016 #28
It is an assault, and the fucker should be put in jail. bemildred Jun 2016 #12
Question: When a pastor publicly calls for the murder of homosexual people KamaAina Jun 2016 #17
The person who posted those threads was a self declared Christian MariaThinks Jun 2016 #29
If someone draws a picture of Mohammed there are millions in the streets protesting. Ace Rothstein Jun 2016 #37
that's what i'm saying. It is all one way. Someone is asking for death to an entire community - gay MariaThinks Jun 2016 #38
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