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Albertoo

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51. Planes and AR15s are two massively different kind of objects (pun intended)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:23 AM

Jun 2016

Yes, it's feasible to better control access to planes (even if it is likely innovations of the shoe bomber type will surface, al Qaeda has tried new tricks targeting planes)

But control guns? In the US? With tunnels and submarines for drugs? The oil monarchies have been pumping billions to radical Islam, and they wouldn't finance a few assault rifles and munitions? They will, especially if the targets are made softer by disarming.

So we agree on the first part of your sentence and disagree on the second: "Gun control will not stop terrorism. On this we agree. But it would make it a whole fuck of a lot more difficult to carry out." I venture gun control will make attacks which occured in Kenya, Tunisia, Mali, France, Egypt, the US, etc, easier. IMHO.

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French couple stabbed to death by ISIS volunteer: no AR-15 involved. [View all] Albertoo Jun 2016 OP

25 couples stabbed to death at once...? nt ScreamingMeemie Jun 2016 #1

Rwanda: 5 million stabbed jack_krass Jun 2016 #35

At once? By one person? nt ScreamingMeemie Jun 2016 #41

He doesn't even have the right number JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #75

Nope about 750 K and they weren't stabbed JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #73

Most of course were killed by well-armed men. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #150

+1 treestar Jun 2016 #93

Two with a knife vs 49 with a gun angstlessk Jun 2016 #2

Bingo! Night Watchman Jun 2016 #139

That's about 47 less than in the nightclub MattP Jun 2016 #3

Actually, that 50 figure are just those killed, practically double that to account for the injured. TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #81

Many still in critical condition. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #145

While sad and terrible it was two people and not 49 or 26 or whatever. JanMichael Jun 2016 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #5

See post #7: 150 dead with gun control Albertoo Jun 2016 #8

Bollocks rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #13

Get ready to wade through pro-Clinton horseshit Aerows Jun 2016 #129

horseshit is right 840high Jun 2016 #136

But we do take simple precautions where we can. Zynx Jun 2016 #6

Not really: the bad guys will always get weapons Albertoo Jun 2016 #10

We don't have to make it so easy for them. Zynx Jun 2016 #14

Gun control = higher percentage of ownership by the bad guys Albertoo Jun 2016 #16

Lets remove stop signs also. elehhhhna Jun 2016 #39

A very good parallel to what I'm saying Albertoo Jun 2016 #43

and yet France still has less murders then we do here booley Jun 2016 #101

The OP's point is that gun control is not the solution to islamic terrorism Albertoo Jun 2016 #109

To answers #1 to #4, about 150 dead at Paris Bataclan in November Albertoo Jun 2016 #7

It's not a total cure, no, but it does make it harder. Zynx Jun 2016 #15

I feel the reverse: gun control enables the baddies Albertoo Jun 2016 #17

Didn't seem to slow down Mr. Mateen gratuitous Jun 2016 #23

Maybe because dancing while carrying a weapon is impractical? Albertoo Jun 2016 #24

A certain amount of weapons? gratuitous Jun 2016 #27

Am I suggesting it's a magic wand? Albertoo Jun 2016 #28

Pretty much, yeah gratuitous Jun 2016 #33

Let me rephrase more 'coherently' Albertoo Jun 2016 #37

Please find some internal consistency in your "argument" mythology Jun 2016 #53

Easier to find than in yours Albertoo Jun 2016 #56

And yet, Paris will end the year with fewer gun deaths than comparably sized US cities jberryhill Jun 2016 #40

Binary thinking.... TipTok Jun 2016 #77

Nirvana fallacy RAFisher Jun 2016 #26

+1 n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #74

to mass shootings, it might be treestar Jun 2016 #94

Your point is to defend guns, we get it. nt Logical Jun 2016 #114

He mowed down 102 people with a knife and half died? Dem2 Jun 2016 #9

+1 n/t IL Lib Jun 2016 #67

Should just call it "the problem of Religious terrorism." All the same. The NRA is a hate group. eom fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #11

No one said it would solve the problem... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #12

See #17: gun ownership will help reduce casualties Albertoo Jun 2016 #19

Do you have an evidence for this dubious assertion? alarimer Jun 2016 #86

Yo gunner, two versus fifty. Try logic 101. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #18

See post #7: I just want to make San Bernardino or Orlando difficult for religious loons. Albertoo Jun 2016 #21

The common point A Little Weird Jun 2016 #42

See one common point in post #37: radical Islam, not access to weapons Albertoo Jun 2016 #45

The common point in this country A Little Weird Jun 2016 #46

9/11 included? Albertoo Jun 2016 #48

I'm glad you brought up 9/11 A Little Weird Jun 2016 #49

Planes and AR15s are two massively different kind of objects (pun intended) Albertoo Jun 2016 #51

How would it be easier for a terrorist to carry out a mass shooting A Little Weird Jun 2016 #62

Maybe we could all go back to horse drawn carriages... TipTok Jun 2016 #82

Do we regulate automobiles? A Little Weird Jun 2016 #84

And how many people are driving without a license or a suspended license? 1939 Jun 2016 #90

Magic markering out registration dates is not a problem I've ever heard of. :) A Little Weird Jun 2016 #97

Setting aside that there are already significant regulations in place across the US.. TipTok Jun 2016 #92

You're the one who brought cars into the conversation A Little Weird Jun 2016 #98

+10 n/t whathehell Jun 2016 #102

It also won't solve homelessness, or animal abuse. uppityperson Jun 2016 #20

So you know Islam's homophobia did not inform the shooter's attitude? Albertoo Jun 2016 #22

There is a difference between someone being of a religion and doing something awful, and uppityperson Jun 2016 #25

But when the religion itself is openly and stridently homophobic? Albertoo Jun 2016 #31

get rid of drunk driving laws because people still drink and drive and get others killed JI7 Jun 2016 #29

There is no religion calling for people to get drunk in order to kill Albertoo Jun 2016 #34

Exactly Dem2 Jun 2016 #85

The NRA and ISIS share this in common - without guns, they'd both just be a bunch of hateful morons. leveymg Jun 2016 #30

The difference is that radical Islam doesn't care about secular laws Albertoo Jun 2016 #32

Depends upon how you define terrorism. leveymg Jun 2016 #68

I see math is not your strong suit. CBGLuthier Jun 2016 #36

Except that it was my major, but OK Albertoo Jun 2016 #38

Maybe you should ask for your money back. nt laundry_queen Jun 2016 #111

No, I'm doing fine, thanks. Albertoo Jun 2016 #116

So if perfection isn't achieved, then you don't want to do a damn thing. HuckleB Jun 2016 #124

Reality shows terrorists always manage to get weapons Albertoo Jun 2016 #125

We're talking about much more than "terrorists." HuckleB Jun 2016 #131

Then why did they do a pathetic knife attack Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #133

LOL laundry_queen Jun 2016 #132

LOL gun control works well in France and Canada? Albertoo Jun 2016 #146

LOL that you think more guns = more protection for soft targets laundry_queen Jun 2016 #152

LOL yes Albertoo Jun 2016 #156

Nope, it's all yours. As all here can see. nt laundry_queen Jun 2016 #162

You're the derp expert. Apparently. Albertoo Jun 2016 #163

Yep I am, and I say you own the derp in this thread. laundry_queen Jun 2016 #164

Toodles. Good luck with this 'derp' you seem do fond of. Albertoo Jun 2016 #165

And we can talk about terrorism, but it won't solve the problem of absurd levels of gun violence. n greyl Jun 2016 #44

True, but that other issue should also include national security and democracy Albertoo Jun 2016 #47

Your scenarios are far-fetched, and greyl Jun 2016 #50

Assault rifles are relevant to the two points I made (irrespective of islamic terrorism) Albertoo Jun 2016 #54

Breaking: "Two" is a different number than "forty-nine!" villager Jun 2016 #52

And, as I already posted, 150 is higher than 49 (Bataclan in Paris) Albertoo Jun 2016 #57

You are really looking silly. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #58

Ah, so can do the maths when higher body count gun deaths are involved! villager Jun 2016 #63

Knife-wielding attackers kill 29, injure 130 at China train station BlueNoMatterWho Jun 2016 #55

Did you even read the fucking story. 10 people with knifes!! How clueless..... Logical Jun 2016 #61

Plus 13 injuries per knife. BlueNoMatterWho Jun 2016 #64

Really stupid comparasion! Nt Logical Jun 2016 #87

If we're comparing weapons, guns beat knives in kills per minute alc Jun 2016 #59

The common element appears to be islamic state MariaThinks Jun 2016 #60

So there has to be a point to your OP G_j Jun 2016 #65

That one been showing their true colors as of late. Rex Jun 2016 #70

Massacre at Chinese coal mine: Knife-wielding separatists blamed for attack that killed at least 50. BlueNoMatterWho Jun 2016 #66

lulz Rex Jun 2016 #69

Reading posts on DU makes me almost lose hope in humanity. Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #71

I know n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #76

Born in France JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #72

dont cops in other countries MFM008 Jun 2016 #78

I'd rejoice that it was just me and hubby, not my kids, that were killed. Ilsa Jun 2016 #79

There's a reason for the expression, " He took a knife to a gunfight." nt Ilsa Jun 2016 #80

BREAKING: US ARMY DISCONTINUES USE OF FIREARMS, ISSUES KNIVES TO SOLDIERS INSTEAD Orrex Jun 2016 #83

Nicely put. Paladin Jun 2016 #89

+1 treestar Jun 2016 #95

Two versus 49 n/t malaise Jun 2016 #88

Wow, a living, breathing apologist. Darb Jun 2016 #91

Can't we PLEASE do something so we can get back to being killed by 'normal' spree shooters?!?! ck4829 Jun 2016 #96

And what of Jo Cox who was assassinated by Thomas Mair? ck4829 Jun 2016 #99

why are ou assuming ISIS is the only source for terrorism or mass killings booley Jun 2016 #100

Islamism is currently the only form of worldwide terrorism Albertoo Jun 2016 #107

I'll be fascinated to see how you plan to do that. Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #134

If that objective was clear, many mistakes would be avoided (like invading Iraq) Albertoo Jun 2016 #144

obsessed much?? KT2000 Jun 2016 #103

In 1932, talking frequently about Hitler would have been obsession? Albertoo Jun 2016 #113

Yes, obsessed. KT2000 Jun 2016 #123

It was a Sig Sauer in Orlando Albertoo Jun 2016 #126

who gives a shit KT2000 Jun 2016 #135

I was just answering your point Albertoo Jun 2016 #143

What happened in Orlando was primarily a homophobic hate crime, pnwmom Jun 2016 #104

LOL: so you 'know' Islam's virulent homophobia did not contribute to the shooter's homophobia? Albertoo Jun 2016 #106

I know, as I said, that he espoused conflicting beliefs, supporting pnwmom Jun 2016 #108

The islamic texts are violently homophobic Albertoo Jun 2016 #110

He's living in a society where there is so much homophobia that I don't pnwmom Jun 2016 #118

And where do you think the homophobia of islamic societies come from? Albertoo Jun 2016 #120

What I'm saying is that he didn't go on his rampage out of loyalty to ISIS. pnwmom Jun 2016 #122

Right. So you know Islam did not inform his homophobia Albertoo Jun 2016 #127

No, I'm not saying that. I think it was one of the things that did "inform" his pnwmom Jun 2016 #138

Homophobic religions produce homophobes Albertoo Jun 2016 #142

And so do homophobic cultures, and there is plenty of that in Florida pnwmom Jun 2016 #148

There is something called numbers Albertoo Jun 2016 #149

You can't say Islamic terrorism... ileus Jun 2016 #105

I can. 840high Jun 2016 #137

LOL, ok, you are clueless. You really want me in a room with a knife or a AR-15 and start killing? Logical Jun 2016 #112

Off topic: islamists get both irrespective of local legislations, and that's the point Albertoo Jun 2016 #117

Derp. Derp. Derp. HuckleB Jun 2016 #115

So there's no terrorism and all is well, right? Albertoo Jun 2016 #119

And more derp. HuckleB Jun 2016 #121

Well, you look like the expert on derp Albertoo Jun 2016 #128

You keep posting it, so you might be the expert. HuckleB Jun 2016 #130

derp Albertoo Jun 2016 #147

When a terrists can kill & injure 100 people with a knife... leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #140

Save the Guns! Iggo Jun 2016 #141

Well, that was one of the stupidest statements I've ever seen on DU. CanonRay Jun 2016 #151

Yeah, but...but...well, you know. Bensonhurst_braciole Jun 2016 #153

Two deaths vs. 49 is the difference between being armed with a knife pnwmom Jun 2016 #154

Terrorists always manage to find assault weapons, regardless of gun laws Albertoo Jun 2016 #159

And burglars break into buildings. But you can keep many out by simply pnwmom Jun 2016 #160

Your parallel fails Albertoo Jun 2016 #161

Maybe we in the West can stop bombing their countries and malaise Jun 2016 #155

What has it got to do with the OP? Albertoo Jun 2016 #158

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #157

I see your slip. Darb Jun 2016 #166