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In reply to the discussion: If the Left does not wake up about Islam, Trump will win [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,162 posts)185. You're still trying to get us to pay attention to a bunch of lunatics
even if one of them served under Clinton. I mean, look at how much he has pushed for war against any Muslim country - Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. Woolsey has blood on his hands, the same way Cheney does. He is a true Islamophobe - he hates and fears all Islam, and all Muslims. The SPLC is quite right, and I'm quite worried a DUer is putting forward reports from Gaffney and his fellow idiots, who are infamous for conspiracy theories about the Muslims having secretly taken over both Democratic and Republican parties.
You say "the goal and mechanism is similar to the initial Team B report "; that's a bad thing.
Fareed Zakaria notes, however, that the specific conclusions of the report "were wildly off the mark.
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Rather than including a diversity of views ... the Strategic Objectives Panel was composed entirely of individuals who made careers of viewing the Soviet menace with alarm.[34]
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Time Magazine editor Strobe Talbott stated in 1990 that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_B
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Rather than including a diversity of views ... the Strategic Objectives Panel was composed entirely of individuals who made careers of viewing the Soviet menace with alarm.[34]
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Time Magazine editor Strobe Talbott stated in 1990 that:
Bush allowed a panel of outsiders, deliberately stacked with hard-liners, to second-guess the agency's findings. Not surprisingly, the result was a depiction of Soviet intentions and capabilities that seemed extreme at the time and looks ludicrous in retrospect.[35]
1976 is the era of détente, and the neocons hate this; they fear losing their favorite enemy, the Soviet Union. They are saying the CIA is coming up with much too rosy of predictions and they dont believe the intelligence. Who takes over the CIA at this point? George H.W. Bush. They decide they have to go to battle against him and they form what is known as Team B, which starts an "alternative intelligence assessment." It effectively says the CIA is all wrong and that we have to redo their intelligence. But Team B's estimates were completely inaccurate.
Despite Kissinger's condemnation of Team B's assessment, Rumsfeld was effusive in promoting it as a credible studyand thereby undermining arms control efforts for the next four years. Two days before Jimmy Carter's inauguration, Rumsfeld fired parting shots at Kissinger and other disarmament advocates, saying that "no doubt exists about the capabilities of the Soviet armed forces" and that those capabilities "indicate a tendency toward war fighting ... rather than the more modish Western models of deterrence through mutual vulnerability." Team B's efforts not only were effective in undermining the incoming Carter administration's disarmament efforts but also laid the foundation for the unnecessary explosion of the defense budget in the Reagan years. And it was during those years that virtually all of Rumsfeld's compatriots were elevated to positions of power in the executive branch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_B
The original 'Team B' was an exercise in fearmongering. Having the same objectives is not good.
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I hope you're correct, when fear howls at the door logic flies out the window
HereSince1628
Jun 2016
#5
My point = Democrats shouldn't leave the issue of radical islam to populists (Trump)
Albertoo
Jun 2016
#71
President Obama, a prominent Democrat, has the US military bombing radical Islamists in Iraq
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#110
No, the question is for you. You complained that "when one mentions" your assertion
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#153
Here's something about The Clarion Project and the author of the piece you linked to
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#165
I don't know where "commissioned by the US government" has come from
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#169
You're still trying to get us to pay attention to a bunch of lunatics
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#185
I hope, but I'm convinced Kerry lost when bin Laden released that video 4 days before election day.
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#32
I think people need to stop abandoning logic in favor of their preferred narratives.
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2016
#4
When "the Left" "wakes up about Islam", what do you think "the Left" should do about it?
MH1
Jun 2016
#6
Thank you Haele for taking on the issue of mob mentality versus our system of laws
Hekate
Jun 2016
#160
Indeed. If the Left "wakes up about Islam" what will we do that Obama is not doing?
pampango
Jun 2016
#121
Bringing this here and posting that hate speech without warning is not cool.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2016
#12
"The Orlando mass murderer saw two guys kissing and used that as an excuse to murder them for Isis"
oberliner
Jun 2016
#67
I am just cautioning that it is still very early in the investigation. This incident just happened.
oberliner
Jun 2016
#88
See, I think he didn't murder them FOR isis. It is the other way around.
AgadorSparticus
Jun 2016
#174
+1, some people should just say they don't like Islam instead of pussy footing around
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#117
Trump looked like a complete fool today, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
TwilightZone
Jun 2016
#18
Precisely... this OP is idiotic. tRump is finished after this latest fiasco.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2016
#55
Muslims run the gamut just like any other group of human, and if we treat them like a scary "them"
ck4829
Jun 2016
#42
A few more decades of war and destabilization in the ME should fix things. Nt
killbotfactory
Jun 2016
#51
throw our Muslim brothers and sisters under the bus to win an election? fuck that n/t
JustinL
Jun 2016
#74
+1, the 2nd sentence is spot on what ISIS tells its recruits and tRump establishes ISIS propaganda..
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#123
Islam is a religion. You need to wake up to the difference between a religion and terrorism.
L. Coyote
Jun 2016
#76
Apparently his "mention" was to declare allegiance to ISIS. He's a fundy. -nt-
Lord Magus
Jun 2016
#101
The FBI questioned him over remarks apparently supporting terrorism
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#112
You realize "the Left" as you write, if there was such a thing, includes adherents of Islam.
L. Coyote
Jun 2016
#90
I was responding to the OP who speculated that Trump's anti-Muslim agenda would prevail
still_one
Jun 2016
#131
Killers father born in Afghanistan, spouts anti gay rhetroic and is very actively political and
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2016
#138
I never said his bigotry was unrelated to his religious belief. In other threads I was more
still_one
Jun 2016
#140
Living in the midst of Trump stupid it does exist and it reminds me of early Reagan supporters.
gordianot
Jun 2016
#129
We should not judge an entire religion because of one crazy person, same opinion as yours.
runaway hero
Jun 2016
#139
There is nothing to wake up about except to preach more tolerance and love.
AgadorSparticus
Jun 2016
#176
So. What did you all think of President Obamas's speech about this today? Link...
YvonneCa
Jun 2016
#183