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Corporate666

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51. Let's hope we DON'T get no-fly/no-gun

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:37 PM

Jun 2016

People are OK with the government putting a citizen on an arbitrary list that they are not notified they are on, have no due process to be put on or removed from, and which eliminates Constitutionally protected rights?

Think it through.

Imagine Trump is President and he manages to get a law passed under some sort of hate speech rationale allowing the government to create a "political inciter" list, and if you're on it, your 1st amendment rights are curtailed and you're not allowed to engage in free speech on the Internet. Oh, and there's no judicial review so you don't get to have a hearing before being put on the list, nor do you get to take the matter to court once you find out you're on the list. And the metrics for what gets you on the list are secret and arbitrary.

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Large capacity magazines [View all] hollowdweller Jun 2016 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #1

We'll be lucky to get no fly no gun yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #21

Let's hope we DON'T get no-fly/no-gun Corporate666 Jun 2016 #51

Trust me. I know and agree yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #54

I think the biggest problem is that the proposals are always reactionary and useless Corporate666 Jun 2016 #56

So very true. yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #58

FYI, there are billions of "large capacity" magazines already in circulation. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #2

Yeah, why bother repairing the levee after it breaks? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2016 #6

KInd of hard to repair the levee when a lake has formed on top of it. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #8

There's also billions of grenades out there. We should just say fuck it and make them legal again. Major Nikon Jun 2016 #19

Not in tens of millions of civilian hands Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #30

Sure there are, just not in this country Major Nikon Jun 2016 #32

When have grenades been available for purchase on the open market for civilians in the modern era? Marengo Jun 2016 #44

Legally held in civilian hands in the U.S.? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #38

Ahhh, the gun fondlers "too late now - HAHAHAHA - die all of you!" argument Dem2 Jun 2016 #20

One thing magazines currently in circulation probably number into the tens of millions. You can doc03 Jun 2016 #3

Billions. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #7

Wouldn't argue that point, was at Cabelas a couple days ago. You have to draw a number and wait doc03 Jun 2016 #10

Aren't you proud? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2016 #12

Not particularly. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #37

True, but we could prohibit the transfer of them as well. Adrahil Jun 2016 #11

out of the bottle not going back in DustyJoe Jun 2016 #28

You can also 3D print a machine gun receiver. We still do not allow their unfettered sale. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #29

You can print and machine recievers Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #31

Correct. But not machine gun receivers. Adrahil Jun 2016 #33

You can also 3D print a machine gun receiver. Angel Martin Jun 2016 #34

i printed a 3d printer with my 3d printer maxsolomon Jun 2016 #36

lol nt laundry_queen Jun 2016 #61

because Crepuscular Jun 2016 #43

Of course it is. We still make it illegal. Adrahil Jun 2016 #46

Weak argument. Straw Man Jun 2016 #59

Too many Old Codger Jun 2016 #4

Note that some states currently limit magazine size and the "assault weapon ban" PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #5

I agree. Adrahil Jun 2016 #9

traceability SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #14

Yes, of course. Adrahil Jun 2016 #17

I imagine 3d printing them would be easy Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #53

Large cap mags have been restricted in the past, and currently are in several states. jmg257 Jun 2016 #13

Correction. Straw Man Jun 2016 #60

The way I read the relic mags would be say a 15rounder for M1 carbine...nice relic, but they make jmg257 Jun 2016 #63

It has been interpreted many different ways. Straw Man Jun 2016 #64

I wouldn't take chances...original $1500 S'G' with a pair of original 70yr old SG mags... jmg257 Jun 2016 #65

You have a point. The thing about AR15 that makes them useful to mass shooters is their aikoaiko Jun 2016 #15

I was never much into deer hunting myself but my dad killed many of them doc03 Jun 2016 #22

You don't need a 30-round mag to hunt. A five round mag in a AR will do fine. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #23

You need a 30 round magazine for self defence? How about a 12 ga. doc03 Jun 2016 #24

I'd much prefer an AR for accuracy and terminal ballistics than a shotgun in most situations. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #26

A knowledgable poster may be along shortly to inform you a Daisy BB rifle is more effective. Marengo Jun 2016 #45

In what kind of circumstances would you require AR-15s doc03 Jun 2016 #47

An AR-15 is not going to penetrate the brick of my house, then go through by neighbors house Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #55

Guns are not just for hunting and target shooting Corporate666 Jun 2016 #52

This is common sense Dem2 Jun 2016 #16

Of course it's common sense. Except for the people who lack it. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2016 #18

"...make them harder to find - especially for people who are flaky outsiders in our society ..." Angel Martin Jun 2016 #35

You can make a magazine on a 3D printer now Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #25

Magazines are metal or plastic boxes Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #27

the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 limited magazine size to 10 rounds mwrguy Jun 2016 #39

And grandfathered the billions out there Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #40

Yup. I think AR mags were 30-50 bucks Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #57

Kind of. Normal capacity magazines were legal to sell if they were made prior to 1994. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #42

About as good as we're going to get is... jmowreader Jun 2016 #41

Truthfully I wouldn't mind that...maybe a 20 round limit. ileus Jun 2016 #48

The guy DID pass extensive background checks Corporate666 Jun 2016 #49

First, we have to get out the vote, and get NRA toadies out of DC. HuckleB Jun 2016 #50

Guns and monsters Fairgo Jun 2016 #62