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Straw Man

(6,955 posts)
13. More than misleading -- outright dishonest.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jun 2016

The headine is I was able to buy an AR-15 in five minutes

If you read the article, he didn't actually buy a gun.

He says this:

No delay. No extensive background check. Just my recently expired driver’s license, my vehicle registration, and filling out some paperwork.

He didn't have a background check because he didn't actually buy a gun. The clerk gave him the 4473 to fill out, but then the kid backed out of the sale.

The ID is to prove that he is who he says he is. The clerk didn't notice the expiration, but it was a photo ID with corroborating documentation -- his registration.

Seconds. It took seconds for the salesman to take an AR-15 off the shelf and begin selling it to me. If I had stayed for maybe three minutes longer to fill out less paperwork than I did for the hiring process at my school’s bookstore, I would’ve driven home with an AR-15.

Right. It took seconds to take the AR off the shelf. They're not that heavy. What does "begin selling it to me" mean? It only takes seconds to "begin" doing anything, even walking around the world backwards on your hands. And his "maybe three minutes longer" is pure speculation because he didn't actually buy a gun.

But if a 20-year-old college student can walk into a gun shop and be out in minutes with an AR-15, and you believe nothing needs to be changed, you need help.

Except he was not "out in minutes with an AR-15," because he didn't actually buy a gun. He may have walked out with it in five minutes, or ten, or fifteen, or he may have failed the check and not walked out with it at all. We'll never know because he didn't actually buy a gun.

The rifle is legal. Presumably this kid has a clean record. Why are people obsessed with how long it takes to buy a gun? Would they be happier if the NICS system were less efficient? Actually, in his case, the speed of the NICS systems isn't a factor: he didn't have a NICS check because he didn't actually buy a gun.

I hope this kid isn't a journalism major, but I have a sinking feeling that he might be.

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FYI. Agschmid Jun 2016 #1
+1 rug Jun 2016 #3
I got stuck in a huge traffic jam today JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #4
Yup. Agschmid Jun 2016 #7
FYI sarisataka Jun 2016 #24
I'm well aware. Agschmid Jun 2016 #26
I've been gun free all day sarisataka Jun 2016 #28
Five minutes is very fast. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #2
According to the article, he didn't actually complete the purchase... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #5
I missed that little detail. So the headline is a bit misleading. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #6
I think it's like how an expired passport works for your tax paperwork Recursion Jun 2016 #14
I returned to the U.S with an expired passport. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #34
Even weirder is that valid visas on an expired passport are still valid Recursion Jun 2016 #35
He also states no background check Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #8
These articles highlighting good customer service are so weird to me. Brickbat Jun 2016 #9
Flag on the article sarisataka Jun 2016 #10
So the clerk shouldn't try to sell a customer an item he carries in store? NightWatcher Jun 2016 #11
"It took 5 minutes for someone to hand me the forms, linuxman Jun 2016 #12
More than misleading -- outright dishonest. Straw Man Jun 2016 #13
"Would they be happier if the NICS system were less efficient?" linuxman Jun 2016 #17
I need a 300 win mag, have enough ARs already. ileus Jun 2016 #15
FFS, why post this?? Who gives a shit? Nt Logical Jun 2016 #27
If he's that knowledgeable, aware and intelligent... Heeeeers Johnny Jun 2016 #16
Can you edit the title, since he *wasn't* able to buy an AR-15 in 5 minutes? Recursion Jun 2016 #18
To be fair, that IS the title of the linked article. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #37
So what? pintobean Jun 2016 #38
OK, but it's an uneqiovocal lie, and that's only a rule in LBN Recursion Jun 2016 #39
Rule? There ARE NO RULES!!!11! JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #41
It's the monsoon here Recursion Jun 2016 #42
Perhaps just add [bullshit] at the end of the title??? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #44
Sounds like good customer service. Elmergantry Jun 2016 #19
He should shop at Gander Mountain - they take forever. jmg257 Jun 2016 #20
Wal-Mart is worse. Straw Man Jun 2016 #21
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #22
Fuck it-if the truth gets a hide I'll take one too... catnhatnh Jun 2016 #23
It's DU pintobean Jun 2016 #36
"The shotguns they had in stock honestly looked pretty cool " Too bad about his small penis. jmg257 Jun 2016 #25
What does his penis size have to do with it? nt flying rabbit Jun 2016 #32
Some people are just obsessed over the size pintobean Jun 2016 #40
Even if it were true, which it isn't, what's the problem? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #29
Didn't you read the article? They want you to shop at stores that DON'T jmg257 Jun 2016 #31
I went to get a CDL today and they never made me take an exam! Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #30
This headline is as inaccurate as it is possible to be. Please correct it. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #33
Obviously there should be a law.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #43
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