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JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
40. And I graduated from a Jesuit University. By choice.
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jun 2012

When you send a kid to a religious school, they are REQUIRED to take classes in religion, usually the religion of the school.

You sent your daughter to a Catholic school K-12. I'm going to guess you are a Catholic. And while there, she was required to take classes in religion, probably Roman Catholicism.

And what you are saying is that non-Catholics should be willing to take mandatory classes in Catholicism if the only option they have is a voucher for the local Catholic schools.

Now imagine that you, a Catholic, live in an area where there are no Catholic schools to send your catholic child to. Your only choices are schools run by evangelical Baptists, who believe that elements of their religious view point belong in EVERY class (which they do), not just a few mandatory religious classes.

Or take it further ... you live in an area in Michigan where there are no local Christin schools, only schools run by Muslims. You can get a voucher to send your kids to those, but your child will learn about Islam and Shria law, perhaps be required to pray Islamic prayers 5 times a day, or at least at the normal prayer times while they are at school. Still ok with it?

This isn't just about the many religious schools that will skew science education, its about requiring kids to have religion injected into their school day, even if the religion in question is a religion to which the child does not believe. And using tax dollars to do it.

Many Christians in this country think because we are a majority Christian nation, such possibilities don't matter. But as soon as Baptist kids are being taught to listen to the Pope, and Catholic kids are being taught that the only path to salvation is to be "born again", many will be too myopic to get it.

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Another post about the corruption inherent in the so-called "education reform" movement that HiPointDem Jun 2012 #1
Voucher programs that include religious schools violate the First Amendment, in my opinion MH1 Jun 2012 #2
+1000, but religion is untouchable in this country. n-t Logical Jun 2012 #13
I live in Louisiana revolution breeze Jun 2012 #3
did you ever think onethatcares Jun 2012 #5
I don't fault the teachers revolution breeze Jun 2012 #18
Did you read the article in the op, and understand why it's an abuse? MH1 Jun 2012 #6
I am a very hands on parent revolution breeze Jun 2012 #12
You should do what is best for your daughter MattBaggins Jun 2012 #65
Why should you give money revolution breeze Jun 2012 #69
Completely wrong MattBaggins Jun 2012 #75
The system is broken, no one watch to fix it revolution breeze Jun 2012 #77
If it's available and it will better for your daughter, you should do it SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #78
Should she feel guilty about taking money from the local system MattBaggins Jun 2012 #81
Nope, not if it is better for her child SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #82
Louisiana revolution breeze Jun 2012 #83
How would you feel revolution breeze Jun 2012 #85
yes you are stuck between a rock and a hard place MattBaggins Jun 2012 #86
+1 proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #90
Or the public school system will get so bad revolution breeze Jun 2012 #91
You shouldn't feel bad about what doing what is best for your child SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #9
Very well said. MightyOkie Jun 2012 #88
You realize the voucher system is hurting the public schools you are complaining about??? Logical Jun 2012 #15
Yes I do. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #35
I assume that this school has classrooms, teachers, and other amenities KamaAina Jun 2012 #55
Hell, they should give the money to me. Reader Rabbit Jun 2012 #4
I'm with you! KansDem Jun 2012 #23
I'll help you! proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #27
I haven't got a basement, just a crawl space... KansDem Jun 2012 #33
I have a huge basement. We can have TWO campuses! proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #38
Hell no! OriginalGeek Jun 2012 #98
I like the way you think! KansDem Jun 2012 #99
I'm in! OriginalGeek Jun 2012 #100
Gee, this couldn't be another scheme to transfer public wealth to private hands, could it? marmar Jun 2012 #7
NO, this transfers money to Jesus and his ministry so they can brainwash children L. Coyote Jun 2012 #20
It's all about the benjamins DefenseLawyer Jun 2012 #76
I think this is a great plan to give parents more options for their children. AJTheMan Jun 2012 #8
I think this is a great plan to promote more graft, fraud & corruption, & failure. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #11
I see you have been to New Orleans revolution breeze Jun 2012 #14
And continuing that is a solution how? proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #28
It isn't. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #34
I understand it won't be easy proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #37
Here is the mentality I am working with..... revolution breeze Jun 2012 #59
Why is that offensive? proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #66
It represents evil revolution breeze Jun 2012 #70
And then you have less money for public schools and then the GOP got just what they wanted. And.... Logical Jun 2012 #16
Cool ... more creationist kids with no real science background!!! JoePhilly Jun 2012 #17
Not all religious schools teach creationism SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #19
And I graduated from a Jesuit University. By choice. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #40
Yes, both schools required that all students take religion classes and attend the weekly school Mass SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #42
If the area where you live has private schools of only one JoePhilly Jun 2012 #46
+1 proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #48
I'm not seeing where the supposed tax break comes in, but maybe I'm missing something SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #52
The voucher is basically a tax refund. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #56
Never mind the failing school, .... just take more money away from it to solve the problem L. Coyote Jun 2012 #21
Right, because private schools ... surrealAmerican Jun 2012 #32
Exactly the point I was going to make Catherina Jun 2012 #62
Because we all know tenure is the problem. proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #39
Another thread full of Democrats cheering for the unity of church & state. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #10
Why do you believe they are Democrats? siligut Jun 2012 #22
Who is cheering for the unity of church and state? SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #24
No unity of church and state revolution breeze Jun 2012 #25
I posted this story a few days ago and it also attracted cali Jun 2012 #26
I have a serious question SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #29
no offense taken. you're right of course, but the thing is cali Jun 2012 #30
Fair enough SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #31
Not posting right wing rhetoric revolution breeze Jun 2012 #36
Is your religion, and that of the school, the same? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #41
This parent is choosing the school, so obviously the religious aspect doesn't bother her SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #43
Then the parent can respond to that point. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #44
Is someone stopping her? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #45
We could give her a minute. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #47
And my tax dollars would be supporting that, and it's NOT ok with me. MH1 Jun 2012 #51
You should also receive a tax credit revolution breeze Jun 2012 #72
I'll take you one step further MattBaggins Jun 2012 #74
Public school facilities are funded by taxpayers SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #79
No not everyone should be able to use them MattBaggins Jun 2012 #80
Actually, no, religious schools don't have to open up their facilities to the public SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #84
And I was against the Iraq war ... and my tax dollars paid for it. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #92
I don't and never did expect a subsidy for it SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #93
If you support vouchers that can be used for private religious schools ... JoePhilly Jun 2012 #94
You might want to climb off your high horse and read my posts SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #95
I was raised Jewish, sorta revolution breeze Jun 2012 #60
Do you support pedophilia? If not, why would you even consider sending your child to a MH1 Jun 2012 #50
Based on what she posted above SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #53
So there are no good public schools? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #57
The poster said that she couldn't use the voucher for a better public school SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #58
Understand ... JoePhilly Jun 2012 #64
Perhaps some or even many are more expensive but not all SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #67
Do you understand why the per pupil cost is lower at private schools? proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #89
No she will not. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #61
Just a note revolution breeze Jun 2012 #63
We liked that as well SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #68
It isn't low post counts alone that matters MattBaggins Jun 2012 #73
I've read this entire thread and as of this post only ONE post qualifies for your generalization. joshcryer Jun 2012 #54
Giving money to churches and the people who run them is easy. Fixing a school system is hard Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #49
I moved back here in 2006. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #71
I salute your effort. It must seem impossible at times, from what I've been told by my friends. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #87
Freebies to Store-front-Jesus-Schools.. That was the plan all along SoCalDem Jun 2012 #96
No, vouchers are not the answer SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #97
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