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seabeckind

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35. Let's start first with a theoretical replacement.

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:11 AM

Jun 2016

How about a drafted democrat, a third wayer who can't accept Hillary?

When I looked at the cv for Tim Ryan who somebody floated as a possible VP for the democrats,

he looked so much like Evan Bayh.

So in this big flurry of publicity as we go into the convention, this guy says he can't take it anymore...

not - either of the leadings.

Trump either bows out as a gesture of magnanimity or the gop does the "there, there", and moves him gently off the stage.

This new guy would be strong moderate leaning slightly left on social, slightly right on economic. He's automatically anti-gop establishment because he isn't part of their organization.

Practically no negatives.

The dems are left swinging at an opponent who left the ring. The gop runs on "see even some democrats..."

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OK. I've joined the crew that doesn't think Trump will be the nominee [View all] cali Jun 2016 OP

Trump will not be the nominee. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #1

OK. But why do you think he won't be? Who do you see as replacing him? cali Jun 2016 #4

Let's start first with a theoretical replacement. seabeckind Jun 2016 #35

The GOP would never draft a Democrat mcar Jun 2016 #46

Gotcha. seabeckind Jun 2016 #54

You can't be serious. The GOP base is going to accept a sufrommich Jun 2016 #50

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #58

I'm not supporting the "lesser of two evils" sufrommich Jun 2016 #61

We're not talking about you. seabeckind Jun 2016 #65

calling any old thing a personal attack shadowandblossom Jun 2016 #94

Lesser of two evils? Loki Jun 2016 #86

Good for you. seabeckind Jun 2016 #89

No it was the comment about lesser of two evils. Loki Jun 2016 #93

I knew exactly what you said. seabeckind Jun 2016 #97

I have no idea what you are talking about. Loki Jun 2016 #99

I definitely am voting more against trump than for HRC cali Jun 2016 #146

Tens of millions is just a little Loki Jun 2016 #149

It's not hyperbole. It's fact. It's baked in to her unfavorables. cali Jun 2016 #150

Well my cousin is/was a Bernie supporter Loki Jun 2016 #161

Well, there *will* be plenty of pigs at that convention. villager Jun 2016 #151

In your scenario rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #78

Probably... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #98

It may be a Ryan, but not Tim. The GOP would never draft a Democrat karynnj Jun 2016 #83

Quite a few battles are lost seabeckind Jun 2016 #91

True, but you have not made a case for why this would positively change the race karynnj Jun 2016 #120

Not happening GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #102

I honestly don't think there is a way to move Trump gently off the stage...any more Sheepshank Jun 2016 #121

Something like a Ryan-Lieberman ticket, or Romney-Whitman CanonRay Jun 2016 #53

Somebody more like Tim Ryan, not the Ryan with all the negatives. seabeckind Jun 2016 #55

Let's see..who is taking over :-) :-) RNC laserhaas Jun 2016 #60

The republican base despises Romney. There would be sufrommich Jun 2016 #64

Oh, they're revolting all right. Orrex Jun 2016 #74

Cruz MFM008 Jun 2016 #144

I'd give it 50/50 safeinOhio Jun 2016 #2

Unless Trump self-deports he is the nominee. NT. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #3

Why do you believe that? cali Jun 2016 #5

He has the pledged delegates for a first round win. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #6

Ya know, we all like to call Republicans stupid, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #9

It seems as though the people who most enjoy calling Republicans stupid are the same ones merrily Jun 2016 #24

Hmm. davidthegnome Jun 2016 #92

My post is about D.C. politicians. merrily Jun 2016 #148

They are relentless jackasses, no doubt, but they are dead in the water Cosmocat Jun 2016 #116

I suspect that they are gaspng at the thought of just giving it to Hillary... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #123

Unless he is no longer a contender seabeckind Jun 2016 #68

Right. Imho that is the only realistic scenario. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #72

This end game thing keeps coming up, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #7

a good summation. Much better than my op cali Jun 2016 #19

He'll either demand money from the RNC to drop out (the RNC, wiggs Jun 2016 #88

I think the GOP will let him sink like a rock Sheepshank Jun 2016 #122

It might not be a bad thing if this forces the adults in the GOP... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #124

I agree with you. FLPanhandle Jun 2016 #8

You may be right, one thing about money grubbers, safeinOhio Jun 2016 #25

Yeah the whole think is looking pretty grim but... jimlup Jun 2016 #10

money or the lack of it will drray23 Jun 2016 #143

Trump's ego won't allow it,that's my opinion. Look sufrommich Jun 2016 #11

I think his ego won't allow him to stay in. cali Jun 2016 #20

The last thing he is willing to be branded is a LOSER tk2kewl Jun 2016 #43

He is already planning on making the convention a sufrommich Jun 2016 #52

but that looks less and less likely to happen with every passing day cali Jun 2016 #67

I've been going back and forth on this one. crim son Jun 2016 #81

One thing about Donald Trump PJMcK Jun 2016 #82

I agree, and his kids are all in as well. His son DT jr was all over the airways yesterday Fla Dem Jun 2016 #113

Trump won the Republican primaries Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #12

I think you are right karynnj Jun 2016 #115

I don't think he will make it out of the convention... n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #13

Me, neither. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #79

The man is delusional-he actually thinks he is going to win. He won't ever drop out. LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #14

Schrodinger's Candidate. bemildred Jun 2016 #15

oh how I wish I could rec your comment. thank you so for the laugh cali Jun 2016 #21

Genius comment. merrily Jun 2016 #26

DUzy! malthaussen Jun 2016 #47

Thank you, Mal, I thought it needs work, but the idea is there ... bemildred Jun 2016 #49

I stole it to pass it on to others not on DU... malthaussen Jun 2016 #59

LOL - perfect. cyberswede Jun 2016 #56

Best response, IMO! BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #111

Beauty, B! ProfessorGAC Jun 2016 #134

Great insight. +1000, nt. Mc Mike Aug 2016 #164

Could it all be one big con? Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #16

I agree. I think it's all been a con. seabeckind Jun 2016 #40

Romney Winston.Smith Jun 2016 #17

Romney winetourdriver Jun 2016 #48

Tells you he is smart, staying in his bomb shelter while everyone else is playing catch with Winston.Smith Jun 2016 #51

Given the choice between Romney, Ryan or Trump Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #101

The biggest thing that sunk Rmoney before was AllyCat Jun 2016 #90

The 47% worked against a person portrayed as a civic organizer, but against Winston.Smith Jun 2016 #95

Welcome aboard. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #18

He's the Music Man Lithos Jun 2016 #22

Hi, Lithos. Awfully nice to see you. cali Jun 2016 #27

...and unfortunately, whoever *is* the nominee will seem reasonable in comparison. cyberswede Jun 2016 #23

I can't see Jeb exboyfil Jun 2016 #76

Jeb Obviates The "Legacy" Card ProfessorGAC Jun 2016 #135

But he wrote his doctor's assessment of his health as "astonishingly excellent" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #28

Until that unknown heart blockage shows up. seabeckind Jun 2016 #62

That's so obvious greymattermom Jun 2016 #129

I admit that I've been a doubter about the Dump Trump movement. Adrahil Jun 2016 #29

Just think how much the RNC has sunk into the campaigns. seabeckind Jun 2016 #69

On morning Joe, one of the guests said if the GOP could just make to July 8, everything will be patricia92243 Jun 2016 #30

in a sample poll asking repukes who should replace Drumpf lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #136

The latest allegations of Trump having sex with a 13 year old may be his undoing. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #31

I don't think it is or will be any one thing- it's a trumpster full of shit cali Jun 2016 #33

He started out full of it. He has become more unhinged as time passes. Clearly, not able to deal ... In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #39

good point. the fuckwit can't deal with the pressures of the campaign cali Jun 2016 #42

trump will not bow out...thats more humilating than staying in...and GOP will destroy themselves if beachbum bob Jun 2016 #32

I think it would be far more humilitating for him to stay in cali Jun 2016 #34

Betting markets say 86% chance its still Trump BootinUp Jun 2016 #36

You know, I lost $6 on that dam Exaggerator. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #70

Who cares? Cary Jun 2016 #37

Most of us. It's interesting to watch on so many levels for so many reasons cali Jun 2016 #38

Much more than interesting Cary Jun 2016 #103

But it doesn't matter now if he is nominated. Cary Jun 2016 #104

I'm content to just wait and see. malthaussen Jun 2016 #41

I've been saying for months that the October Surprise... The_Commonist Jun 2016 #44

We better hope not..... vi5 Jun 2016 #45

Either way democrats stand to win huge rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #57

Unless they have someone phenomenal they can pull out of the bag, I think the GOP is screwed liberal N proud Jun 2016 #63

I have felt for weeks-4-5 for sure, probably several months - that he would not be the nominee. pangaia Jun 2016 #66

I agree. seabeckind Jun 2016 #73

Expected him to drop out last year, turned out wrong then, but still don't see him in through Nov blm Jun 2016 #71

So many possible theories Craig234 Jun 2016 #75

I agree. The media is now going to take him out. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #77

Good thread. Thanks. seabeckind Jun 2016 #80

But we WANT him to be the nominee spinbaby Jun 2016 #84

I personally just want him to vanish cali Jun 2016 #87

First Reagan showed us the government doesn't work, now our elections don't work. jalan48 Jun 2016 #85

I'm sure Trump doesn't actually want it IronLionZion Jun 2016 #96

IF he does drop out, you know it will be well orchestrated and he will do it before their world wide wally Jun 2016 #100

Potrumpkin Village. kairos12 Jun 2016 #105

RogueTrooper posted this elsewhere. underpants Jun 2016 #106

I have never seen him as a serious candidate AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #107

Romney will be the Great White Hope Android3.14 Jun 2016 #108

Because a proven loser would be better? WinkyDink Jun 2016 #130

At this point, for the GOP, a cardboard cutout of Dwight Schrute would be better than Trump Android3.14 Jun 2016 #140

Trump has lost dozens of times, look at all his failed business ventures. CaptainTruth Jun 2016 #109

He's "quit" dozens of times. cali Jun 2016 #114

Good post trumad Jun 2016 #110

welcome aboard... the signs are there for all to see.. the RNC isn't shy about this. secondwind Jun 2016 #112

lol, he just told the RNC that they can do all the fundraising for his campaign! jeanmarc Jun 2016 #117

I believe that he will be the Republican nominee. yardwork Jun 2016 #118

What happens to the 14million T-Rump primary voters??? NoMoreRepugs Jun 2016 #119

Narcissists bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #125

The GOP is split on their nominee. according to a CNN poll, republican and republican-leaning still_one Jun 2016 #126

I have been there for a while now. redstatebluegirl Jun 2016 #127

I think it would be a mistake to underestimate Trump's ego, esp. at this stage of the game. He WILL WinkyDink Jun 2016 #128

I'm not. As I said in the OP, I think it's his enormous, fragile ego that cali Jun 2016 #131

My money says "The Now TRUMPS the Future." Giving up is, IMO, not in DT's constitution. WinkyDink Jun 2016 #139

I have a friend who has stuck to this claim since day one. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #132

you saw the Apple + Tim Ryan story ? GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #133

He's been good for popcorn sales Bucky Jun 2016 #137

If Trump is not the nominee (by whatever means) who then are they planning for? Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #138

Bearing in mind several recent well-publicized threats and attempts to kill Ineeda Jun 2016 #141

I think Trump wants the nomination to be "stolen" from him at the convention. Captain Stern Jun 2016 #142

The people elected him PDittie Jun 2016 #145

The Republican convention is in 4 weeks. Will Trump drop out before then? Martin Eden Jun 2016 #147

I was just thinking this. Puglover Jun 2016 #152

He doesn't even WANT to be president. arcane1 Jun 2016 #153

Trump will be the nominee RAFisher Jun 2016 #154

And yet another Trump prediction lame54 Jun 2016 #155

The reason I don't think the GOP powers will allow Trump to be the nominee is due to his floriduck Jun 2016 #156

Maybe... Wednesdays Jun 2016 #157

Trump lives in a bubble. He thinks he's doing great. Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #158

I don't think that he thinks he's doing great. I think he's freaked. cali Jun 2016 #159

I've felt this way from the get go shanti Jun 2016 #160

I saw a report just now that he only has 1.3m in campaign cash compared to Hillaries 43m Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #162

I have no clue as to what that campaign is up to. Far more importantly, cali Jun 2016 #163