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King_David

(14,851 posts)
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:52 PM Jun 2016

Omar Mateen and the convenient myth of the violent, self-hating ‘closet homosexual’ [View all]


In the wake of the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history, reports are surfacing that the Orlando shooter, Omar Mateen, was gay—or, at least, struggled with his sexuality and frequented gay clubs, with accounts on gay hook-up apps like Grindr. Some people have made the (good, valid, necessary) point that this complicates the mainstream media’s narrative that Mateen was motivated by his allegiance to “radical Islam”, and they have criticised the knee-jerk racism and xenophobia present in much of the mainstream media after the attack.

Unfortunately, many people have also declared that Mateen was clearly a “closet homosexual”, and that his shooting was fuelled by psychotic self-hatred and mental illness. Comments sections are teeming with announcements like, “I called it!!”, “that was obvious”, “he’s clearly mentally ill” and “the biggest homophobes are always closet gays”.

There are multiple problems with this line of reasoning. To begin with, let’s get a quick terminological point out of the way: we should talk about gay people, not “gays” and “homosexuals”, unless we want to dehumanise LGBT people by conflating their entire identities with their sexuality. Despite the (sometimes understandable) feeling that “language policing” has proliferated out of control in these “PC times”, the words we use to describe each other are the most basic foundation for how we understand and treat each other. In other words, language matters.

Moreover, these glib, self-congratulatory sentiments betray a harmful misunderstanding of both mental illness and sexuality, each of which can be dealt with in turn.




http://thespinoff.co.nz/media/20-06-2016/omar-mateen-and-the-convenient-myth-of-the-violent-self-hating-closet-homosexual/


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Recommended. This type of blaming is much too simple. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #1
The idea that self-loathing was at the core of Mateen's violence is NOT homophobic! markpkessinger Jun 2016 #5
I was not addressing the motivation for the violence. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #30
He clearly had mental problems. They will manifest themselves in whatever the person pursues. spud_demon Jun 2016 #2
Has anyone stepped forward to claim that they had a sexual relationship with him? -n/t lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #3
Is having had a sexual relationship with another man a requirement of being gay? markpkessinger Jun 2016 #7
no lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #10
Yes; today on Univision BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #23
The question was has someone claiming a relationship stepped forward BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #24
Perhaps so, and perhaps this is an elaborate concoction . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Jun 2016 #31
Yes vdogg Jun 2016 #27
THANK YOU!!! This has been driving me up the wall all week. LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #4
This isn't "blaming the victims" . . . markpkessinger Jun 2016 #8
What this is about is combating a homophobic meme that all homophobes are secretly gay LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #13
Where did I or anyone suggest that "alll homophobes are secretly gay?" n/t markpkessinger Jun 2016 #14
Where did I say that you suggested it? LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #17
The assertion that all homophobes are secretly gay has always annoyed me too. Chemisse Jun 2016 #20
Once again demonstrating why you are an excellent ally! Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #22
Yes, it was a product of homophobia and heterosexism . . . markpkessinger Jun 2016 #15
On all of that, we can agree. nt LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #18
DU is full of people with bias against both (deleted) and (deleted) along with strong bias in favor Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #6
This is no different than any other violent event. Takket Jun 2016 #11
Well said, although I think your faith in the FBI to provide an objective . . . markpkessinger Jun 2016 #16
My response to this thread . . . markpkessinger Jun 2016 #12
People are trying to examine reasons why someone would kill a lot of people IronLionZion Jun 2016 #19
Brava! Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #21
It never fails as a dismissive distancing tactic, Dalziel3979 Jun 2016 #25
Men become violent for being "turned down" often My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #26
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