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Takket

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11. This is no different than any other violent event.

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:46 PM

Jun 2016

People speculate all the time with whatever facts they are given. The prospect that he was a "self loathing homosexual" is a perfectly reasonable theory for someone to come with based on the available facts. I remember when Jared Loughner (spell?) shot Gabby people were searching the internet and convinced he was a democrat, convinced he was a republican, convinced Sarah Palin's target map inspired him, etc etc.

People aren't coming up with these theories because they are anxious to bash homosexuals. They are coming up with them because they fit the limited information we have.

In the end, the FBI's formal results are all that matter.

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Omar Mateen and the convenient myth of the violent, self-hating ‘closet homosexual’ [View all] King_David Jun 2016 OP

Recommended. This type of blaming is much too simple. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #1

The idea that self-loathing was at the core of Mateen's violence is NOT homophobic! markpkessinger Jun 2016 #5

I was not addressing the motivation for the violence. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #30

He clearly had mental problems. They will manifest themselves in whatever the person pursues. spud_demon Jun 2016 #2

Has anyone stepped forward to claim that they had a sexual relationship with him? -n/t lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #3

Is having had a sexual relationship with another man a requirement of being gay? markpkessinger Jun 2016 #7

no lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #10

Yes; today on Univision BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #23

The question was has someone claiming a relationship stepped forward BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #24

Perhaps so, and perhaps this is an elaborate concoction . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Jun 2016 #31

Yes vdogg Jun 2016 #27

THANK YOU!!! This has been driving me up the wall all week. LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #4

This isn't "blaming the victims" . . . markpkessinger Jun 2016 #8

What this is about is combating a homophobic meme that all homophobes are secretly gay LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #13

Where did I or anyone suggest that "alll homophobes are secretly gay?" n/t markpkessinger Jun 2016 #14

Where did I say that you suggested it? LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #17

The assertion that all homophobes are secretly gay has always annoyed me too. Chemisse Jun 2016 #20

Once again demonstrating why you are an excellent ally! Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #22

Yes, it was a product of homophobia and heterosexism . . . markpkessinger Jun 2016 #15

On all of that, we can agree. nt LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #18

DU is full of people with bias against both (deleted) and (deleted) along with strong bias in favor Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #6

This is no different than any other violent event. Takket Jun 2016 #11

Well said, although I think your faith in the FBI to provide an objective . . . markpkessinger Jun 2016 #16

My response to this thread . . . markpkessinger Jun 2016 #12

People are trying to examine reasons why someone would kill a lot of people IronLionZion Jun 2016 #19

Brava! Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #21

It never fails as a dismissive distancing tactic, Dalziel3979 Jun 2016 #25

Men become violent for being "turned down" often My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #26

... vdogg Jun 2016 #28

... LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #29