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In reply to the discussion: Omar Mateen and the convenient myth of the violent, self-hating ‘closet homosexual’ [View all]Behind the Aegis
(56,104 posts)21. Brava!
She did a fantastic job. I find this paragraph the most salient:
Unfortunately, many people have also declared that Mateen was clearly a closet homosexual, and that his shooting was fuelled by psychotic self-hatred and mental illness. Comments sections are teeming with announcements like, I called it!!, that was obvious, hes clearly mentally ill and the biggest homophobes are always closet gays.
It has been that attitude which has been most prevalent and infuriating. It is made worse by GLBT people who promote it or make excuses for it. Then again, I am not surprised because one can always find someone in an affected group who is willing to promote any argument, Fox sure did:
The person they interview, Guy Benson, who is gay (and only watches Fox news, by his own admission), "confirms" that gay journalists are biased and nothing more than activists, particularly Anderson Cooper. "See! See! We have a GAY person who agrees with us and tells the "truth"! See! I knew it. I knew I was right that gay journalists are biased activists!!"
Something else which definitely should be highlighted:
Secondly, lets turn to sexuality; and, in particular, the depressingly common trope that the biggest homophobes are always closet gays. Lets be perfectly clear: homophobia is not a gay problem. While some LGBT people who are struggling with their identities certainly exhibit internalised homophobia (and transphobia), homophobia is a widespread, institutional problem most often perpetuated by straight people.
Know what, I am going to say it again (OK, cut and paste it again):
Secondly, lets turn to sexuality; and, in particular, the depressingly common trope that the biggest homophobes are always closet gays. Lets be perfectly clear: homophobia is not a gay problem. While some LGBT people who are struggling with their identities certainly exhibit internalised homophobia (and transphobia), homophobia is a widespread, institutional problem most often perpetuated by straight people.
There! Made it a bit more readable. It pisses me off some are trying to play the LGBT community off of the Muslim community, mainly the right, and it is failing, of course; but what is worse, other than tripe I have already discussed and this author discussed, are those who are "concerned" about this incident and it doesn't have jack to with Islam, Muslims (well, in some cases it does), and certainly not the LGBT community. Once again, demonstrating, the LGBT are a disposable group, unless it fits the narrative someone wants, and if it doesn't, then by G-d, they will make it fit, by hook or by crook!
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Omar Mateen and the convenient myth of the violent, self-hating ‘closet homosexual’ [View all]
King_David
Jun 2016
OP
The idea that self-loathing was at the core of Mateen's violence is NOT homophobic!
markpkessinger
Jun 2016
#5
He clearly had mental problems. They will manifest themselves in whatever the person pursues.
spud_demon
Jun 2016
#2
Has anyone stepped forward to claim that they had a sexual relationship with him? -n/t
lapfog_1
Jun 2016
#3
Is having had a sexual relationship with another man a requirement of being gay?
markpkessinger
Jun 2016
#7
What this is about is combating a homophobic meme that all homophobes are secretly gay
LostOne4Ever
Jun 2016
#13
Where did I or anyone suggest that "alll homophobes are secretly gay?" n/t
markpkessinger
Jun 2016
#14
DU is full of people with bias against both (deleted) and (deleted) along with strong bias in favor
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2016
#6
Well said, although I think your faith in the FBI to provide an objective . . .
markpkessinger
Jun 2016
#16
People are trying to examine reasons why someone would kill a lot of people
IronLionZion
Jun 2016
#19