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94. That Islamic fundamentalism

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:59 PM

Jun 2016

also destroyed the great universities and other seats of learning in Islam just as Europe was recovering from the Dark Ages and entering the Renaissance. It wasn't the crusades that destroyed the caliphate.

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Stop what? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #4

That's the one following around sheshe JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #9

Junior was back for another visit? sheshe2 Jun 2016 #26

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... pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #21

I'm guessing "Name Removed" was the same person kentauros Jun 2016 #58

Plus overt racism and misogyny pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #59

As it turns out, it *was* the one downthread. kentauros Jun 2016 #61

I needed this the other day. we can do it Jun 2016 #220

Wow. sufrommich Jun 2016 #13

Cray cray La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #14

He's very angry JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #16

Did I miss something? sheshe2 Jun 2016 #23

The one you asked about last night. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #27

Busy guy~ sheshe2 Jun 2016 #29

You missed a very angry racist who didn't care for sufrommich Jun 2016 #28

Sounds like the 3 post wonder that has been following me. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #32

Interesting that he's chosen you and Lioness to spew his rage at. sufrommich Jun 2016 #39

I sure hope he didn't post pictures this time. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #46

Isn't it just? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #56

That guy showed up again JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #80

I have every confidence in the world... sheshe2 Jun 2016 #92

Bernie gave you the courage to say that! CreekDog Jun 2016 #111

Lol. Hi!!! La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #118

Raising hand Pacifist Patriot Jun 2016 #2

.... La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #8

I've read that people tend to ascribe a male gender to gender-neutral names, sarae Jun 2016 #60

Nah. Social Justice work done by minorities in the civil rights movement ehrnst Jun 2016 #82

Sorry, I don't think I was clear in my last post. sarae Jun 2016 #107

Sorry! ehrnst Jun 2016 #143

I am often presumed to be a man Skittles Jun 2016 #70

Skittles is the name of my female cat... so naturally I presumed you were a cat! hahaha... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #202

Skittles was my male 25 pound solid bundle of feline love Skittles Jun 2016 #227

Too funny!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #230

get that a lot myself. mopinko Jun 2016 #75

LOL! Just wait ... Now that you self-disclosed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #90

As well as BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #154

And, overly sensitive, when you point the change out! 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #161

Look at my avatar. Aerows Jun 2016 #108

Well, avatar-based gender judgement goes both ways Scootaloo Jun 2016 #113

Touché :) n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #139

And I'm guilty again. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #196

LOL! Pacifist Patriot Jun 2016 #159

I haven't thought much about it awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #194

Well, now we have that all cleared up :) Aerows Jun 2016 #205

Thanks awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #210

Well, it *is* a sexy avatar, Aerows. Maybe that's why? BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #203

You know just what to say to a girl Aerows Jun 2016 #204

people assume I'm a woman for some reason geek tragedy Jun 2016 #156

I self-declared in my BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #162

sadly, you probably get treated better because they think you're a man geek tragedy Jun 2016 #169

LOL - I'd never thought about that. BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #172

Believe it or not, it's happened to me at the DU, too. Quantess Jun 2016 #164

Maybe the same 2 who took me for a male. Hortensis Jun 2016 #206

Yeah spray glittery gifs and lace Quantess Jun 2016 #208

Yep. Saw that too. Sickening. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #3

I'm not sickened because I genuinely believe that no one is doing this intentionally La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #6

Crick and Watson's dismissal of Rosalind Franklin's contributions come to mind. arcane1 Jun 2016 #5

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #7

That is exactly what I thought of, too. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #109

What are you talking about? Who is giving undue credit to white men, and where? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2016 #10

Somebody mentioned Bernie Sanders showing up to support Rep. Lewis WolverineDG Jun 2016 #15

Didn't say support at all. Which would be perfectly appropriate La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #19

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Thanks. I think it's great that Senator Sanders and so many others are supporting this. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2016 #22

It wasn't that the Senator was supporting the action LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #25

I did notice that. And, whether his supporters like it or not, he isn't exactly the Squinch Jun 2016 #33

He is less bad on gun control than people like Murphy. Of course I'm still disappointed he went JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #86

No one is disparaging "support." But there have been claims that white men ehrnst Jun 2016 #85

Thanks. I haven't seen anything like that in these pages. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2016 #95

Search for "Sanders effect" (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #144

More accurately, a post was crediting Sanders for starting this "movement" LanternWaste Jun 2016 #198

I hope you don't mind this input GaYellowDawg Jun 2016 #24

Thank you so much for saying that La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #30

I like to think that I am pretty aware of my privilege, and that I am very willing to Squinch Jun 2016 #37

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #44

Some people can be dismissed outright. arcane1 Jun 2016 #47

This guy is obsessed with me. Obsessed. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #54

So it would seem. Your post hit a nerve :) arcane1 Jun 2016 #66

A while ago I hit a nerve. Now this might just be bad habit. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #67

Hmmm ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #31

What are you pissed about now? Prism Jun 2016 #34

lol. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #36

Are you about drama or are you about justice? Prism Jun 2016 #71

LOL ... He mad! 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #91

So mad and so I must take his nonsense seriously La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #116

Actually, no Prism Jun 2016 #183

Okay Bored. ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #199

Oh, I was just mentioning Prism Jun 2016 #200

That is a stupid rebuttal; again, ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #201

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I could have sworn I saw LLP comment on Orlando ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #209

i wrote a giant OP about why i didn't comment. something hit too close to home La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #211

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Ah, now I see what you were talking about. Number23 Jun 2016 #228

i am gay and brown. my brother is gay and brown. my best friend is gay and brown La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #223

It's sad. BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #166

Absolutely. I too believe that. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #179

+1 melman Jun 2016 #52

I know better Prism Jun 2016 #74

Back in the early 60s, a textbook for high school students came out Warpy Jun 2016 #35

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lolz obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #45

. demmiblue Jun 2016 #51

Do you think white males gave us a damned thing? Warpy Jun 2016 #53

+11 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #87

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racist troll much? johnp3907 Jun 2016 #98

Damn, I miss all the good stuff. Warpy Jun 2016 #105

I went to school in the 40s and 50s and it was always Madame Curie in the text book. 1939 Jun 2016 #64

I got out of high school in the 60s and our textbooks gave her full credit Warpy Jun 2016 #68

That Islamic fundamentalism 1939 Jun 2016 #94

Yeah, the Caliphate destroyed the Crusades Warpy Jun 2016 #104

A very good book 1939 Jun 2016 #140

Good point about Muslim academia awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #197

Even today many women writers obscure their first names in order to hide their gender. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #110

Great minds ... eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #168

Examples of writers ... BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #167

so very, very true niyad Jun 2016 #193

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K&R betsuni Jun 2016 #40

I appreciate this op bravenak Jun 2016 #42

Thanks hon. A lot of positive posts but some of the usual La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #49

My favorite are the, "What are you on about now?" posts. As if this is a piffle. It isn't. Thanks Squinch Jun 2016 #63

Or attributing anger to me or implying I made it up La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #65

Yep. Squinch Jun 2016 #69

assigning negative mercuryblues Jun 2016 #89

Chuck a rock at a pack of dogs ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #93

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OT but you know where I'm going to go with this JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #151

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #160

They just can't help themselves. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so incredibly stupid and Number23 Jun 2016 #106

Thanks much! I appreciate it! La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #124

They get excited by posts like this and just can't help signing up bravenak Jun 2016 #83

Oh some of them have been here a while La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #117

Oh yeah. bravenak Jun 2016 #133

This. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #88

THANK YOU, PRI obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #43

... La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #50

K & R! sarae Jun 2016 #48

k&r Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #55

K&R! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #57

Thank you ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #62

And how many times have we seen a woman being BLAMED for what is a matter of course for white men? beastie boy Jun 2016 #72

especially for being agentic (aggressive, ambitious, ruthless). we hate the same traits in women La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #125

God forbid!... beastie boy Jun 2016 #138

women get blamed for what their husbands do, either for being a Lady MacBeth or an 'enabler' nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #157

Today's Example Night Watchman Jun 2016 #73

There are not enough... SaschaHM Jun 2016 #100

Rosalind Franklin The Second Stone Jun 2016 #76

And Sybil Ludington obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #84

As a white woman raised in poverty with minorities (POC)... ALBliberal Jun 2016 #77

Thank you for the correcting lecture ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #112

and this has what to do with what i said? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #126

I felt your post aimed to stir up a discussion of why a white man could not ALBliberal Jun 2016 #155

Pri's OP was about a black male Civil Rights icon & his white female colleague leading that action obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #171

Maybe more clarity on her part is needed? ALBliberal Jun 2016 #176

I was plenty clear. Many other people got it. A small minority chose to misconstrue it La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #188

The OP is about the exclusion and erasure of minorities and women Haveadream Jun 2016 #177

It still worked to somewhat alienate. Certainly didn't feel inclusive ALBliberal Jun 2016 #178

Feeling excluded and alienated feels extremely bad Haveadream Jun 2016 #182

I was raised with minorities and have witnessed their struggles ALBliberal Jun 2016 #184

As Hillary says Haveadream Jun 2016 #190

She is wise. ALBliberal Jun 2016 #195

Lol. You need to re read my post. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #187

K Person 2713 Jun 2016 #128

Thank you. John Lewis, part of the establishment he may be ehrnst Jun 2016 #78

Yes. I seem to remember him being thrown under the bus during the primary for being establishment. Squinch Jun 2016 #132

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #147

That's the default type of people IronLionZion Jun 2016 #79

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Let's not leave out "Columbusing" as well MrScorpio Jun 2016 #81

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #96

"Why I can't stand white belly dancers". Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #152

And no one has mentioned the Cotton Gin? happyslug Jun 2016 #102

I could note, literally, hundreds of examples like that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #114

Rock and roll... eom rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #136

Thanks for that background. BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #170

Careful! You'll get called more stupid, nasty insults from miserable, nasty people! Number23 Jun 2016 #103

Indeed. And not just from the long term trolls. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #120

Bernie Sanders is Jewish and part of a minority oppressed group nt riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #115

Yes, and this detracts from what I said how? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #119

You seem to be lumping Bernie in with amorphous "white men " riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #121

Yes and he should still not be credited with what he did not do La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #122

Ok riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #123

We give Bernie only what he earned. By merit. His votes against the Brady bill, and his msanthrope Jun 2016 #142

Because Bernie is not even strong on gun control La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #150

This is an unprecedented action. riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #153

The murders of 49 mostly young hispanic gay men changed the dynamic obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #174

If Bernie didn't do it, then we have to thank establishment democrats La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #185

It's called 49 dead gay brown people La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #186

The murders of 49 mostly young hispanic gay men was the catalyst obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #173

+1 jack_krass Jun 2016 #231

Thank you. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #148

For christ sakes.... davidn3600 Jun 2016 #127

people giving credit where is due is an issue of fairness. people don't react well to unfairness La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #129

Good answer Person 2713 Jun 2016 #130

Thanks! I appreciate it! La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #135

This is the work of John Lewis. John Lewis is the one who has inspired people to this action. Squinch Jun 2016 #131

So all white people should just sit home not agree with him or disagree davidn3600 Jun 2016 #134

That's completely not at all what I said or suggested La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #137

They all know that isn't what you said. They have to pretend that's what you said so that they Squinch Jun 2016 #217

i completely agree. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #218

Not what was said at all. People giving credit where credit isn't due is the issue. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #149

Pri's OP said nothing at all like that obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #175

Some people will deliberately misconstrue things to fit their narrative that all forms of prejudice La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #189

No, not all white people. I'm a white person. Only the ones who want to say that someone other Squinch Jun 2016 #215

Actually it was Rep Katherine Clark's idea a week ago and she asked John Lewis if he would lead it. seaglass Jun 2016 #141

As a white person I agree that this happens Shankapotomus Jun 2016 #145

Poorer whites are demonized by the elite. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #146

even happens to Hillary geek tragedy Jun 2016 #158

It's called whitesplaining, and how anyone could do it to John Lewis is beyond me. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #165

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #180

I may have responded to one BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #163

What is particularly glaring Haveadream Jun 2016 #181

k+r Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #191

No one credited Bernie for the sit-in. *yawn* harun Jun 2016 #212

none so blind... La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #213

Democrats are labeled spineless for good reason. Bernie showed some in the Primaries, harun Jun 2016 #216

John Lewis has been showing his spine for a VERY VERY long time. Running for president La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #219

Can you link to some of the comments that unfairly credit white men? totodeinhere Jun 2016 #221

no, i wont because it will get this entire thread deleted La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #222

If there are concrete verifiable examples of this why would the truth be deleted? totodeinhere Jun 2016 #229

As a Gay white male, I am very happy to kick & Recommend! William769 Jun 2016 #224

... La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #225

Yes it does have a long history. lovemydog Jun 2016 #226