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35. but it's kind of like saying that the identification of institutional problems is somehow...

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 03:51 PM

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a solution in and of itself when in fact it is only just that, a recognition, which is maybe a good first step, but a knee jerk reaction of cutting out a tumor is not likely to cure the underlying systemic cancer.

In the case of America, a populist movement that elects a top ballot individual isn't likely to send a message or wrest free a stranglehold. It is the same ol' story: engaging in uncomfortably boring and anti-adhd requiring work that examines how our representatives are appointed in each branch of government and then implementing reform there would bring about real change. For example tackling the very complex and corruptible congressional district drawing across our country would have a huge impact on our national political landscape, but the work and focus involved would be equally monumental.

If populism can't be harnessed to tackle complexity then maybe it's not really a signal that something's wrong; maybe its just another component of what is wrong.

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I have very mixed feelings about Brexit [View all] Armstead Jun 2016 OP

I keep hearing that argument, I just don't buy it. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #1

Yup. Agschmid Jun 2016 #6

I said double-edged sword....and attidues are complex and paradoxical Armstead Jun 2016 #10

the voters were lied to and hoodwinked lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #26

Hey, they're right-wingers. If their lips are moving....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #27

There are many here who think Brexit was a blow to corporatization lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #28

Yeah, I've got some aquaintenances who think this......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #33

That nails it. truebrit71 Jun 2016 #37

We now live in a post factual democracy lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #38

in reality most people don't fit neatly in a demographic bin tk2kewl Jun 2016 #19

Racism and Xenophobia are a major part of this vote, not to mention rampant Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #21

I was watching the BBC today.... Armstead Jun 2016 #25

It is sad... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #2

Agreed yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #4

Those can be excuses the bigots use treestar Jun 2016 #42

Well, the 'bigots' won... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #44

Hopefully it forces a mature discussion of both the pros and cons of globalization. eom TransitJohn Jun 2016 #3

Right wing populism was fashionable in the '30s, too. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #5

However, it's misdirected anger. Zynx Jun 2016 #7

You may be right. Armstead Jun 2016 #13

Rejecting the EU for Westminster is hardly getting rid of "elite conventional wisdom." Brickbat Jun 2016 #8

No shit. truebrit71 Jun 2016 #11

Yup. Agschmid Jun 2016 #23

A hearty THIS nt auntpurl Jun 2016 #24

"mixed feelings" SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #9

I was thinking the same thing. katsy Jun 2016 #12

I agree with part of that...But I see it as sharing both the power and the money more equitably Armstead Jun 2016 #15

Idk why my blinders were on. katsy Jun 2016 #16

As do I. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #14

Anti-Internationalism is not the same as Anti-Globalization Bad Thoughts Jun 2016 #17

Sorry, no. Rupert Murdoch's gutter print media and Fox News twin, ITV, have been whipping up Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #18

Excessive economic pressures add to bad instincts in the population Armstead Jun 2016 #20

Granted...point taken. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #22

Well, that's definitely what it wound up as..... socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #30

New meaning to the old saying -- "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face." Hoyt Jun 2016 #29

Or, as somebody put it in another thread: Curing the ingrown toenail by amputating the leg. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #32

Same here. My comrades in the UK supported "Remain"........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2016 #31

It's a right wing 'populist revolt' of older, more conservative voters led by pampango Jun 2016 #34

Which edge would depend on what poiticians are elected Armstead Jun 2016 #40

I think that human rights, labor rights and environmental rights should not be subject pampango Jun 2016 #45

Shitty unaccountable conservative bureaucrats are just as bad Armstead Jun 2016 #57

Yeo "thanks grandpa"..... Person 2713 Jun 2016 #51

but it's kind of like saying that the identification of institutional problems is somehow... tandem5 Jun 2016 #35

Or we can elect good people with the smarts and correct intentions to... Armstead Jun 2016 #39

And that's one main utility of a republic, to counter uninformed populism... tandem5 Jun 2016 #47

Sometimes people can make the right choice for the wrong reasons daleo Jun 2016 #36

Britain is now in good position for the upcoming 3rd Greek bailout. roamer65 Jun 2016 #41

And... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #46

Juncker is an undemocratic drunkard. roamer65 Jun 2016 #48

Exactly. Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #50

My only thought so far has been shock. I didn't think the vote would go Brexit. MerryBlooms Jun 2016 #43

Oh for fuck's sake Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #49

Well said. Number23 Jun 2016 #52

Oh fer fucks sake yourself Armstead Jun 2016 #53

Yeah, I read it Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #54

You're entitled to your opinion Armstead Jun 2016 #55

I live in the UK, I've seen this firsthand Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #56

I'm a longtime BBC listener and watcher.... Armstead Jun 2016 #58

which hardly makes you as informed about the UK as someone who lives there. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #59